Poll: Debt ceiling blame game

[BostonPirate]

A CBS News Poll released Monday morning indicates that 48 percent of the public gives the president a thumbs down on how he's handling talks with federal lawmakers on raising the nation's debt limit, with 43 percent saying they approve of how Obama's handling negotiations.

But only 31 percent of people questioned say they approve of how Democrats in Congress are dealing with the talks, with 58 percent saying they disapprove. And by a 71 to 21 percent margin, the public disapproves of how Republicans in Congress are handling the negotiations.
According to a release from CBS News, 51 percent of Republicans give a thumbs down to how members of their own party are handling the talks, with far fewer Democrats questioned disapproving of how congressional Democrats (32 percent) or Obama (22 percent) are dealing with the negotiations.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/18/poll-debt-ceiling-blame-game/?hpt=po_bn2

These numbers are slipping for the republicans, and I HOPE that they are listening to the public.

let see the DISAPROVAL numbers....

Obama 48

Dem Congress 58

Repub Congress 71

those percentages of all americans show whom and how they blame these groups for the failure of the group to reach a deal.

even the GOP voters have a 51 disaproval of the way their own party is behaving right now.

juxtapose that against the APROVAL RATINGS and it looks even bleaker and less likely that the republicans will be able to hold or take either chamber of congress.

Obama 43

Dem congress 31

repub congress 21

the spread is all negative for all parties, but the degree is startling..

Obama has a 5 point gap between approval and disaproval

Dems in congress have a 27 point spread and...

repubs in congress have a whopping 50 point spread between approval and disaproval.

I think this is easily explained by the fact that only 21 percent of all americans have a problem with the rich and the corporations paying more.

This time period... this early beginnings of the campaigns for elections tend to gell out what the issues are that the public will be focusing on and asking questions about as they consider where their vote is going in 2012.

Medicare and the GOP obstruction on behalf of the richest of the nation are going to wound them in ways we aren't really seeing.

Lets remember that Romney is running anti Obama ads all over ohio as the presidents campaign ran NONE, and Obama is only down in that swing state, with NO campaigning whatsoever, by about four points, which is a statistical dead heat.

IF there was pressure that these toads in congress COULD be affected by, I have to believe that it is self preservation.

 

[rareboy]

Maybe this will spur the Republicans to compromise and clean up this silly mess asap.

 

[Lostlover]

Not a popularity poll. 1 in 4 Americans believe in witches. I'm not too eager to listen to the wishes of Americans. I'd love to know if most Americans know that we have roughly twice as much socia security liabilities than we do actual debt.

Certain Americans have champagne tastes on their grandchild's budget.

 

[BostonPirate]

Maybe this will spur the Republicans to compromise and clean up this silly mess asap.

apparently The senate will not go into recess until this is resolved, and the repubs are already talking about compromise.

I guess they don't want to miss their evening television programs interrupted.

I wonder what they would do if we cut off their pay until they actually passed all the pending legislation?

question....

If the default happens, and the president decides who gets paid and who doesn't, can he direct the treasury to withhold congressional pay?

 

[T-Rexx]

The Republicans are NOT going to compromise. I'm not sure they can. The party is too dysfunctional at the moment to negotiate.

They will implement the McConnell plan, which will allow Obama to raise the debt ceiling without their party actually agreeing to anything.

Then, they will continue to carry on obstructionist "negotiations" about the budget until the election in 2012. What happens after that will depend on the results of the 2012 election.

 

[Jack Springer]

apparently The senate will not go into recess until this is resolved, and the repubs are already talking about compromise.

I guess they don't want to miss their evening television programs interrupted.

I wonder what they would do if we cut off their pay until they actually passed all the pending legislation?

question....

If the default happens, and the president decides who gets paid and who doesn't, can he direct the treasury to withhold congressional pay?

The state politicians in Minnesota got paid during their hissy fit. Why not the federal ones.

 

[BostonPirate]

The state politicians in Minnesota got paid during their hissy fit. Why not the federal ones.

move to Minnesota and discuss it with them. start a thread if you want. I will discuss it there. I am not up to the standard Topic shuffle, the old bait ans switch to deflect people from talking about the GOP, from the GOP members here.

These congress trolls want to cut social security checks and military pay, a to give billionaires and corporations the ability to pay NO taxes.

Why aren't they so willing to give up their own pay when they are willing to give up the pay of everyones grandparents and sons who are in harms way defending the nation is nothing less than a party wide character flaw. It reflects that they care about little but their corporate owners and their own pockets.

put THEM where they are putting 700,000 social security recipients and I will bet you one hundred bucks they would find a way to start legislating.

what a foolish question, and a total deflection because you actually have NO real answer or justification for these peoples behavior.

And to be clear...

Cut them ALL

BOTH PARTIES

 

[BostonPirate]

heres a graph from the Maddow Blog on these numbers

 

[Gatorguy]

move to Minnesota and discuss it with them. start a thread if you want. I will discuss it there. I am not up to the standard Topic shuffle, the old bait ans switch to deflect people from talking about the GOP, from the GOP members here.

These congress trolls want to cut social security checks and military pay, a to give billionaires and corporations the ability to pay NO taxes.

Why aren't they so willing to give up their own pay when they are willing to give up the pay of everyones grandparents and sons who are in harms way defending the nation is nothing less than a party wide character flaw. It reflects that they care about little but their corporate owners and their own pockets.

put THEM where they are putting 700,000 social security recipients and I will bet you one hundred bucks they would find a way to start legislating.

what a foolish question, and a total deflection because you actually have NO real answer or justification for these peoples behavior.

And to be clear...

Cut them ALL

BOTH PARTIES

I agree about cutting pay. Also how many of us work until the job is done, regardless of what hour/day it is? It's just crazy that all of a sudden all those Congressmen who believe in capitalism and free markets only want to work certain, select hours.

I think public backlash is healthy in this case. People want to get past this because they are hopeful someone will do something about jobs before the next election cycle. Voters want something done, and they haven't seen results or even attempts from either party (other than aggressively creating military jobs).

The frustration boils, and hopefully that creates opportunity for real change.

 

[MisterMajestic]

Lets remember that Romney is running anti Obama ads all over ohio as the presidents campaign ran NONE, and Obama is only down in that swing state, with NO campaigning whatsoever, by about four points, which is a statistical dead heat.

IF there was pressure that these toads in congress COULD be affected by, I have to believe that it is self preservation.

Obama has stated he's more concerned about the issues on the table than battling GOP candidates...I've seen a couple of Pretty-Mitty adds and they are effective...I suggest he start playing "hard-ball" now and counter the attack-adds....

He shouldnt do a "John Kerry" just because he's a sitting President...

 

[JB3]

The Republicans are NOT going to compromise. I'm not sure they can. The party is too dysfunctional at the moment to negotiate.

They will implement the McConnell plan, which will allow Obama to raise the debt ceiling without their party actually agreeing to anything.

Then, they will continue to carry on obstructionist "negotiations" about the budget until the election in 2012. What happens after that will depend on the results of the 2012 election.

In your mind, what would you consider to not be obstructionist?

 

[thermodynamics]

I sincerely worry about the McConnell plan, because then Congress won't have any skin in the game. The Republicans will have a bashing point in the statement, "President Obama raised the debt ceiling, adding to the amount of money our grandchildren will have to pay back." After all, keeping President Obama a one-term President is McConnell's stated number one priority.

 

[chrisrobin]

The "debt ceiling blame game" is a fabricated crisis whose sole purpose is to discredit Obama. Since JFK, the debt ceiling has been raised 39 times. It has never been a bargaining chip. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid have never been entitlements, they are already paid for. If the true believers call the "big three" entitlements 1,000 times, 10,000 times, 100,000 times, that does not alter the fact that there is a trust fund. Look at one of your paycheck stubs. See FICA. Voilla!

Google: THE BIG LIE

 

[chrisrobin]

I sincerely worry about the McConnell plan, because then Congress won't have any skin in the game. The Republicans will have a bashing point in the statement, "President Obama raised the debt ceiling, adding to the amount of money our grandchildren will have to pay back." After all, keeping President Obama a one-term President is McConnell's stated number one priority*.

You said it... better than I could.

*God forbid he should want to serve the people - as in doing his job.

 

[T-Rexx]

In your mind, what would you consider to not be obstructionist?

I would define it as agreeing to terms that are extraordinarily favorable to their cause.

 

[JB3]

I would define it as agreeing to terms that are extraordinarily favorable to their cause.

Then by your measure democrats are just as obstructionist. (and I'm not arguing that the republicans aren't, because they are)

The art of compromise is dead in Washington. Until we elect people that care more about us than they do about their party, its not going to change.

 

[JB3]

I sincerely worry about the McConnell plan, because then Congress won't have any skin in the game. The Republicans will have a bashing point in the statement, "President Obama raised the debt ceiling, adding to the amount of money our grandchildren will have to pay back." After all, keeping President Obama a one-term President is McConnell's stated number one priority.

Democrats will be able to say the same, which is why they're seriously exploring the option.

 

[JB3]

The "debt ceiling blame game" is a fabricated crisis whose sole purpose is to discredit Obama. Since JFK, the debt ceiling has been raised 39 times. It has never been a bargaining chip. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid have never been entitlements, they are already paid for. If the true believers call the "big three" entitlements 1,000 times, 10,000 times, 100,000 times, that does not alter the fact that there is a trust fund. Look at one of your paycheck stubs. See FICA. Voilla!

Google: THE BIG LIE

Its been this way for as long as votes like this have taken place. When Bush was in office Democrats did exactly the same thing.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...mocrats-switch-sides-amid-hype-hypocrisy.html

 

[BostonPirate]

Then by your measure democrats are just as obstructionist. (and I'm not arguing that the republicans aren't, because they are)

The art of compromise is dead in Washington. Until we elect people that care more about us than they do about their party, its not going to change.

compromise requires BOTH sides give something up. The GOP said it wanted 18 percent revenue level and 82 percent cuts, on austerity, and Obama complied. THe current revenue level is 16. Obama cave concessions on everything they asked and in return he asked that loopholes be closed to make up the 2 percent difference.

That 2 percent was a deal breaker for the GOp and now pelosi has her people on this no to the three thing.

The deal was on the table and they turned it down. Boehner is the Arafat of the american Budget. He had 97 percent of what he wanted and he said no JUST for THE PRINCIPLE OF IT.

The GOp holds ONE chamber of the congress, which is ONE branch of three of the federal government, and they insist that they get one hundred percent of their way or they will shut down the entire government.

They even dump their own ideas if Obama says he likes them. McCain voted against an immigration bill that he himself authored. Cap and trade was their dog and pony show until Obama said he liked it. THen it was evil. The lightbulb bill.. it was signed into law by Bush, but since Obama supported the innitiative, they TRIED to reverse it.

To legislate from the house, you have to write a bill that the senate will pass, and the president will sign.

Not only are they completely obstructionists, they are entirely incompetent legislators.

How do you suggest the president and The senate COMPROMISE on something when they have already given them what they want.

And save the raising taxes lie.

It was never on the table. Once again.. for years the GOP championed cleaning up and simplifying the tax code, and the minute Obama suggested they close the loopholes and simplify it to fill the revenue gap, they backed out.

its a farce and anyone that believes it at this point is either gullible or things we are that have to listen to it being spouted off.

 

[JayHawk]

I heard a rather disturbing news radio series of jabs at the budget and it was typical one sided jibberish. And it was talk radio so it is a given that they spoke from a right viewpoint. Darla is the ladies name. Although Ignorant twat is usually my nickname for her. The show focused on a study that was funded to do research IRT drug abuse in teens and occurred during the Bush era. The same basis for grant then morphed into many ODD programs that only amounted to 9.3 million. SO peanuts by any standard irt our budget deficits. However isn't it time to cut such wasteful spending? The research had morphed into one program that studied the "The Association between Penis Size and Sexual Health among Men Who Have Sex with Men"

I realize the targeted 'program' is a research that would help behavioral understanding for gay men. That is a worthwhile project BUT not at this time. There are so many wasteful weird funded studies, it is a shame that they choose to make homosexuality the hook for their punch line. I realize why they do it and it is wrong.

I agree research should be conducted. I also agree that every man women and child should be insured AND that the govt has a responsibility to ensure that insurance is available and affordable for ALL.

However I don't believe we should fund projects of any sort until we have reigned in our cost.


The Twat is always pretty much wrong and quite often amusing in a sick way BUT she did say one thing correctly IMHO... "Ignorant spending that would have every American asking 'What the fuck are you looking at that for?' should be cut immediately. Whether it was right or left.

She is absolutely correct. Unfortunately neither side is offering the elimination of realistic spending. The sad thing is both sides are simply playing with America to see how they react and then they will sign some sort of deal at the end. They wont default.

Just sad that they play these pitiful games when they could be making real lasting effective policy for America.