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POLL: Nevada's Senate race outcome?

Who will win the U.S. Senate race in Nevada?

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laikaNYC said:
Should I be questioning your support of it as a civil right?
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I'll be happy to answer your questions after you respond to what I've asked already. Can you point to an actual legal foundation for marriage as a civil right?
 
JonesHere said:
I'll be happy to answer your questions after you respond to what I've asked already. Can you point to an actual legal foundation for marriage as a civil right?
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When the Supreme Court struck down the long-held prohibitions on inter-racial marriage, the Supreme Court said plainly marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man
 
laikaNYC said:
When the Supreme Court struck down the long-held prohibitions on inter-racial marriage, the Supreme Court said plainly marriage is one of the basic civil rights of man
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Indeed, they did. It seems you're unfamiliar with the legal basis for their decision.

But more interesting is that you think think states can constitutionally deprive citizens of civil rights. Now that's something you don't see someone admit every day.
 
Henry Reid is so hated in Nevada that his son has disowned him.

People here think the elder Reid will win.

Unbelievable.

The Democratic nominee in the Nevada governor's race is the son of one of the most powerful politicians in America, but you wouldn't know it by his campaign.

Rory Reid is going to great lengths to keep his distance from his famous father — U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid — in an election year when the elder Reid is the anti-incumbent movement's public enemy No. 1.

Rory Reid's campaign banners say "Rory 2010." Campaign releases call him Rory on second reference. His first TV ad — "Paid for by Rory 2010" — doesn't utter or display his last name. Rory Reid's biography on his website makes no mention of Harry Reid.
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http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iHr7YCyOL-womrUWmXhQtTb9MAYAD9GIHUM02
 
JonesHere said:
Indeed, they did. It seems you're unfamiliar with the legal basis for their decision.

But more interesting is that you think think states can constitutionally deprive citizens of civil rights. Now that's something you don't see someone admit every day.
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Well, until it's brought to the Supreme Court to settle it once and for all, the states are left to decide.

So may I hear your pearls of wisdom regarding the legality of it?
 
laikaNYC said:
Well, until it's brought to the Supreme Court to settle it once and for all, the states are left to decide.
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Are you saying a law can be passed at the state level through normal, legal means, and the SCOTUS can later overturn it for being unconstitutional?
 
laikaNYC, I unlike most liberals, do not hide the fact that there are many that do not support gay marriage including Obama. I of course have been known to support mainly Republicans for office. In the interest of full disclosure, it is only recently that I have become disillusioned with the Republican party and not with it as a whole but rather with the Texas GOP. I still hold that my former governor was given the short end of the stick and not given proper credit for everything he did right while in office. I feel that Obama continuing many of his policies is extremely vindicating. In case you have not figured out who I am talking about, I am talking of the awesome #43, President George Walker Bush. McCain/Palin was my choice in 2008 and I am still saddened he is not president though in hindsight I feel he could have chosen a better running mate. McCain would have been a truly post-partisan president and not a typical politician like the one that is now in office. There is a reason Bush garnered over 40% of the latino vote and why the Republican party is setting itself up for failure in the future. Bush was centrist, the Tea Party is not.
 
JonesHere said:
I apologize. I wasn't clear on what you mean by "it". If you could please restate your question I'll be happy to answer.
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What, in your opinion, would be the best argument to make in front of the SCOTUS regarding the legalization of gay marriage?
 
justright25 said:
laikaNYC, I unlike most liberals, do not hide the fact that there are many that do not support gay marriage including Obama. I of course have been known to support mainly Republicans for office. In the interest of full disclosure, it is only recently that I have become disillusioned with the Republican party and not with it as a whole but rather with the Texas GOP. I still hold that my former governor was given the short end of the stick and not given proper credit for everything he did right while in office. I feel that Obama continuing many of his policies is extremely vindicating. In case you have not figured out who I am talking about, I am talking of the awesome #43, President George Walker Bush. McCain/Palin was my choice in 2008 and I am still saddened he is not president though in hindsight I feel he could have chosen a better running mate. McCain would have been a truly post-partisan president and not a typical politician like the one that is now in office. There is a reason Bush garnered over 40% of the latino vote and why the Republican party is setting itself up for failure in the future. Bush was centrist, the Tea Party is not.
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I'm not being sarcastic, but I apologize for calling you a liberal. You should very Independent, actually.
 
laikaNYC said:
What, in your opinion, would be the best argument to make in front of the SCOTUS regarding the legalization of gay marriage?
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Oh, that's a whole new question. Earlier you were asking about the foundation of marriage as a civil right. Now you're asking about strategy.

The best case to make before the court would depend on the law being challenged. If you mean the Prop8case, I'd have to go with the Boies and Olsen case as the best argument.

Now: Are you saying a law can be passed at the state level through normal, legal means, and the SCOTUS can later overturn it for being unconstitutional?
 
JonesHere said:
Oh, that's a whole new question. Earlier you were asking about the foundation of marriage as a civil right. Now you're asking about strategy.

The best case to make before the court would depend on the law being challenged. If you mean the Prop8case, I'd have to go with the Boies and Olsen case as the best argument.

Now: Are you saying a law can be passed at the state level through normal, legal means, and the SCOTUS can later overturn it for being unconstitutional?
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They've overturned state laws in the past
 
State laws are subject to the jurisdiction of the federal government and any state laws which are not in conformity with the Constitution as per the court are typically thrown out as was the Texas sodomy law and with it, all the other sodomy laws throughout the country. If the SCOTUS were to rule gay marriage constitutional in the Prop8 case once it gets to it, it would become the law of the land. The United States Constitution is often defined as the "Law of the Land."
 
laikaNYC said:
They've overturned state laws in the past
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Funny then that you seemed to think Prop 8 couldn't or wouldn't be overturned.

And more funny that you acknowledge marriage as a civil right, but think states can constitutionally deny citizens what you acknowledge as a civil right.
 
For the record: Prop 8 is not a law, but rather an amendment to the California State Constitution. ;)

CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS

SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California. [Link]
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Thank you Opinterph. I appreciate the correction.

I trust the effect is the same: any given state constitution must also conform to the US Constitution.
 
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