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Post Presidential opinions regarding LGBT rights in the future

FPNY said:
I remember that everyday. We came here before all this shit happened. We have a plan to get out, just not sure where to settle. We'll go to our cabin upstate NY to reorganize and plan. Calling the realtor today! Good luck to us all....
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Maybe even more compelling is the ongoing hurricane shitshow that will be Florida from now on, as well as freshwater depletion as saltwater intrudes and the population exceeds the aquifers.

Insurance is going to become unaffordable for most but the 1%.
 
rareboy said:
Just remember that you live in a state that had its 'Don't Say Gay' laws upheld.

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If you read through the article, you will see that the ultimate result of the lawsuits was a settlement. As in, the free speech rights of teachers was technically upheld, where discussion of LGBTQ+ rights is not banned, and groups like Equality Florida could claim victory.

But DeSantis and the Florida legislature really won in actuality, because nobody really knows what the law is anymore. And with the antigay hysteria that has already been created, nobody in the schools is going to risk saying anything that somebody might object to. I know that for myself, if I were a teacher, if a kid asked a question, I would think twice about how to answer, which is the chilling effect that the law was intended to create.
 
FPNY said:
I remember that everyday. We came here before all this shit happened. We have a plan to get out, just not sure where to settle. We'll go to our cabin upstate NY to reorganize and plan. Calling the realtor today! Good luck to us all....
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It's a shame that many gay people who have settled in Florida now feel compelled to get out. You have brought diversity, flavor, and a welcome range of opinions to an otherwise vapid landscape. As for me, I have lived in Florida all my life, and I'm determined not to let a bunch of Johnny-come-lately fascists force me out. Besides, where would I go (how do you winterize)? Though I'll admit I'm updating my passport, just in case.

I've always lived in the more liberal areas of this very conservative state, though this area was by no means liberal when I was growing up. Palm Beach County became more liberal with urbanization, helped in part by Northeast, largely Jewish, retirees. A totally different breed than most Florida retirees that move to places like The Villages/Port Charlotte/Port St. Lucie, etc., who want to pretend the last 60 years never happened.

But unfortunately the MAGA crowd is suddenly moving to Florida in droves, attracted by our Mussolini-wannabe governor, who defied CDC Covid masking guidelines and crowd limits, because, freedom! Never mind that tens of thousands died unnecessarily because of that.

Sorry, I guess I just felt the need to vent.
 
Our friends all had Florida retirements planned, so this throws a monkey wrench. I appreciate all the info given on the board. We're still planning one returning to NY to replan our retirement. We think we will buy an RV and go on a road trip out to CA. I've always wanted to drive cross country so there is no time like the present. we have some decisions to make....
 
Araucaria said:
It's a shame that many gay people who have settled in Florida now feel compelled to get out. You have brought diversity, flavor, and a welcome range of opinions to an otherwise vapid landscape. As for me, I have lived in Florida all my life, and I'm determined not to let a bunch of Johnny-come-lately fascists force me out. Besides, where would I go (how do you winterize)? Though I'll admit I'm updating my passport, just in case.

I've always lived in the more liberal areas of this very conservative state, though this area was by no means liberal when I was growing up. Palm Beach County became more liberal with urbanization, helped in part by Northeast, largely Jewish, retirees. A totally different breed than most Florida retirees that move to places like The Villages/Port Charlotte/Port St. Lucie, etc., who want to pretend the last 60 years never happened.

But unfortunately the MAGA crowd is suddenly moving to Florida in droves, attracted by our Mussolini-wannabe governor, who defied CDC Covid masking guidelines and crowd limits, because, freedom! Never mind that tens of thousands died unnecessarily because of that.

Sorry, I guess I just felt the need to vent.
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Don't be sorry, this is exactly the way we feel. This is not the Florida we loved when we decided to move here. I think the people are the same tho, they're nice to your face but inside I feel like they're saying go home yankee and before the gay thing come out but they were quiet about it. They don't have to be quiet anymore. I don't want to go back into the closet to get along with the people im in restaurants and bars or even the supermarket with.
 
FPNY said:
Our friends all had Florida retirements planned, so this throws a monkey wrench. I appreciate all the info given on the board. We're still planning one returning to NY to replan our retirement. We think we will buy an RV and go on a road trip out to CA. I've always wanted to drive cross country so there is no time like the present. we have some decisions to make....
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We hear the same from Canadians.

We don't really know any friends or family who still go there in the winter. A number left after 2016 and this past year, 2 more couples we know who have gone every winter for 8 to 10 weeks said they weren't going any more.
 
rareboy said:
We hear the same from Canadians.

We don't really know any friends or family who still go there in the winter. A number left after 2016 and this past year, 2 more couples we know who have gone every winter for 8 to 10 weeks said they weren't going any more.
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where are they going instead? I don't want to winter in cold anymore.
 
FPNY said:
where are they going instead? I don't want to winter in cold anymore.
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A number of them are looking at the west coast.

Or even central america and the Caribbean.
 
rareboy said:
A number of them are looking at the west coast.

Or even central america and the Caribbean.
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we're taking a trip to California after to Christmas Holiday. We have friends in the Palm Springs area and I wouldn't mind checking it out.
 
Signs of things to come... They at least want us scared to oppose them.

The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation said on Friday that a spate of offensive text messages sent out in the wake of Donald Trump's presidential election win and apparently aimed at Black Americans had expanded to target Hispanic and LGBTQ people...

The FBI said on Friday that a new wave of messages were sent to Hispanics and LGBTQ people, with "some recipients reported being told they were selected for deportation or to report to a re-education camp."
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The watchword is chaos.

The greater the chaos, the easier it is for an authoritarian regime to declare restrictions on individual rights and freedoms and a clampdown on inclusive democracy.

We've seen it all before.
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But this might be the last time that it all gets trotted out for a parade before the US collapses into a repressive banana republic
 
Meanwhile, down in Texas, they're incorporating The Bible into the public school curriculum. It's "optional" but if a local school district incorporates the Christian theology curriculum into their schools, the State will pay them an additional $40 per student.


Officials in Texas on Tuesday backed a controversial new public school curriculum that would incorporate Christian lessons from the Bible as early as kindergarten.

Eight out of 15 state school board members voted to keep the Bluebonnet Learning curriculum on a list of K-5 reading and English language arts materials that could be used for the 2025-26 school year.

Bluebonnet Learning is an optional, state-owned and Texas Education Agency-developed open education resource that can earn schools $40 per student annually for adopting it.

The board is expected to take a final vote Friday.
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There's already rumors that one of the Trump Administrations first priorities for the Department of Education (which he says he wants to abolish?) is to undo protections for LGBT students that the Biden put into place:

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Trump pledged to roll back protections for transgender students. They're flooding crisis hotlines

Transgender youth in the United States have been flooding crisis hotlines since the election of Donald Trump, who made anti-transgender themes central to his campaign.
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Transgender youth in the United States have been flooding crisis hotlines since the election of Donald Trump, who made anti-transgender themes central to his campaign. Many teens worry about how their lives could change once he takes office.

During his presidential bid, Trump pledged to impose wide-ranging restrictions and roll back civil rights protections for transgender students. And his administration can swiftly start work on one major change: It can exclude transgender students from Title IX protections, which affect school policies on students’ use of pronouns, bathrooms and locker rooms.

One ad that aired over 15,000 times crystallized Trump’s stance on rights for transgender and nonbinary Americans: “Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you.”
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I have no doubt that they will remove protections and make a big noise about it while they are doing it.

They don't really care, but it is the kind of performative social issue politics that buys hardcore support for other actions and can be used as cover while they are delivering what their corporate owners really want for the money they have invested.
 
rareboy said:
I have no doubt that they will remove protections and make a big noise about it while they are doing it.

They don't really care, but it is the kind of performative social issue politics that buys hardcore support for other actions and can be used as cover while they are delivering what their corporate owners really want for the money they have invested.
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Humans as pawns. Welcome to the New Order.
 
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^^that's just blowing smoke at a problem that doesn't exist. . .most, if not all Congresscritters have their own private restroom in or near their private offices :rotflmao:
 
smokeshadow said:
^^that's just blowing smoke at a problem that doesn't exist. . .most, if not all Congresscritters have their own private restroom in or near their private offices :rotflmao:
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There's a long history of there being inadequate women's restrooms near the chambers. In 1995, when a large number of women were elected to Congress, they were still complaining that they didn't have a place to pee. Recently, former Senator Claire McCaskill [D-MO] told a story that the allocated restroom for female Senators had 2 stalls, even though there were 20 female Senators.


19thnews.org

Congress has always been hostile to women trying to use the bathroom

Nancy Mace’s proposal to cut bathroom access for trans women in the Capitol is the latest in the building’s long history of excluding women lawmakers.
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It would take 75 years for congresswomen to have any restrooms adjacent to the Senate floor. And in 2011, nearly a century after Jeannette Rankin became the first woman in Congress, women lawmakers got their first bathroom near the House chamber.

In recent years, women lawmakers have had to use the private quarters of the Speaker of the House just to find a restroom that reliably stocks tampons and pads. Banning trans women from women’s restrooms would continue a long history at the U.S. Capitol of women lawmakers being forced to find alternate ways to simply do their job.
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So, there's some irony to having a woman legislator introduce a bill to screw over someone else's right to pee.
 
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Again. Nothing more or less than theatre.

The Trumpists will be cheering at this decisive blow struck against woke transbianism and send more $20 bills.

But eventually the blowback may come.

The idea that the Congress of the United States is incapable of providing separate non-gendered washrooms in that mass of architecture is risible and actually absurd.
For those of us in civilized countries, where provision of universal washrooms is already a building code requirement...this intransigence (as it were) by the US to catch up strikes as a foundational weakness of imagination and will.
 
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