Pres.Bush Commutes Libby Prison Sentence

[Soilwork]

OK.. sorry.. yes.. the position was created by Democrats who wanted to address the over-the-top corruption of Republicans.

However, Republicans ran with it and abused THAT too.

Thanks for the history lesson.

But that's not really what we're talking about.. what I'm talking about it the current political climate... the over-the-top corruption and "NYA NYA IN YOUR FACE" we're seeing from Conservatives who think.. er.. know they're above the law, no matter how much "And justice for all" crap they spew at rubber chicken dinners.

 

[JayHawk]

Read about Clinton's pardons. My most recent post points out very succinctly that Clinton did an outstanding job of training Bush that pardons were completely legal and above board. Do you not think as soon as he entered office and the knowledge of Clinton's fire sale of pardons became public knowledge that the Bush Admin didnt try to pursue it only to find there was nothing to pursue? DOnt you think Legislatures should think not only of how they would use legislation such as a Special Porsecutor but even more important how to prevent its abuse?

The blame lies on both sides. DO you think it would have been productive for this country to pursue Nixon and his travesties against the American People after he resigned? Would it have healed or broken this nation?

I simply don't believe Dems or Republicans are thinking of the future when they are making policy that affects just that THE FUTURE. They are thinking of themselves and of the NOW. So yes I have stopped trying to see what blame I can find with every action and have focused more upon what can be done to fix the abusive nature of our political system.

When is their going to be a politician that does what is right, no excuses?

No campaign fraud, No special interest, no land deals, no finance fraud, no payoff of campaign donations with pardons, no excuses for illegal conduct

In short when will accountability ever be present?

And please dont delude your self by saying when Dems get there because it simply isnt true and you know it.

 

[Soilwork]

well... let's see... Senator McCain wanted to have some campaign reform and his own party shut him down.

Maybe you can start there.

 

[JayHawk]

I dont run the republican party. DO you run the democratic party? I mean you seem to think a political position means you must weild god like powers. Why havent you stopped the war Soil? Why havent you enforced the fairness doctrine to limti free speech heir comandant? WHy not fix the whole gay issue? Gimme some marriage, gimme some rights baby. WHy havent you done that HMMMMMMM...

Jesus how childish it must be to be able to point your finger and smugly go "SEE". Very very mature. Figure a solution is the point. Crying certainly doesn't do anything but sell kleenex.

 

[Soilwork]

I get a kick out of it when Conservatives throw hissy temper tanrums and then accuse other people of being childish.

and it's so easy to get them to do it, too.

MAN, this forum is fun.

 

[chance1]

I get a kick out of it when Conservatives throw hissy temper tanrums and then accuse other people of being childish.

and it's so easy to get them to do it, too.

MAN, this forum is fun.

I think it's funny that you're referring to Bush as a conservative

He has increased spending
He is for the recently destroyed (with good reason) immigration bill
He has allowed more stem cell research and provided funding then the conservative agenda would allow
He has consistently hired minorities -surprising for a conservative no?

If GWB had been more conservative, his admin would have been much more successful. His veering off course on many issues away from conservatism is very much a part of his current malaise - right now he has no political allies - none

And you're right about McCain - the Repubs never liked him - that's why they're burying him now

 

[Andreus]

I get a kick out of it when Conservatives throw hissy temper tanrums and then accuse other people of being childish.

and it's so easy to get them to do it, too.

MAN, this forum is fun.

hehe

isnt it?

glad you're over here playing

 

[JayHawk]

Musta heard the light wing didnt have enough salient points so we added a rabid kool aid drinker to even things out. Weee Hoooo

 

[snapcat]

The commutation means squat. The dems who attempt to make Clinton's criminals different than George's criminals are simply making a better case for Barack. Yes she will be accountable for all of his transgressions just as she is attempting to take credit for his successes.

Well, it looks like Pat Buchanan disagrees with you.

***snip***

For, from his own statement, Bush found the act deeply distasteful.


In that statement, Bush calls Libby's crimes "serious convictions of perjury and obstruction of justice." He praises Patrick Fitzgerald as "a highly qualified professional prosecutor who carried out his responsibilities as charged."


Bush indicated no disagreement with the verdict.

***snip***

But why did Bush rush to spare him even one day behind bars?


Three explanations come to mind.



The first is that Bush capitulated to intense pressure from the neoconservative commentariat led by The Wall Street Journal and The Weekly Standard.

***snip***

The second explanation is that Vice President Cheney went to Bush, closed the door, and asked, as a personal favor, that he spare Cheney's faithful friend and loyal aide the disgrace and pain of prison. And Bush did this distasteful and shameful act at the behest of a vice president to whom he feels an immense debt.


The third explanation is that Cheney, and perhaps the president, fears that if Scooter goes to prison, and is staring at disgrace and 30 months away from friends and family, he may think he has been abandoned by people whose secrets he kept at the cost of reputation and freedom. An idle mind being the devil's workshop, Scooter might sit down and write a book, or phone "Bulldog" Fitzgerald and tell him he just remembered something.


Whatever the motives of President Bush, this was a radical not a conservative act. Whoever pressured Bush to wipe out Scooter's sentence was more a friend of Scooter than a friend of Bush. For the president has damaged his reputation as a just ruler, so Scooter could elude what other men have to face.

***snip***

The act reeks of cronyism. The perception is that Scooter Libby got preferential treatment, a get-out-of-jail-free card because he was chief of staff to Cheney and assistant to Bush.


That perception is correct.

Because of whom he knew, Scooter got preferential treatment, big-time. The Godfather took care of the consigliere.


Nothing new. After all, one recalls that the attorney who rustled up a pardon for Marc Rich from Bill Clinton was also a Beltway hustler by the name of Scooter Libby. The insiders take care of their own.

***snip***

Now, would anyone like to debate Pat Buchanan's conservative credentials? It would be a waste of time, but I'm sure the neocons will attempt to discredit him.

Just another example of how the radical right has highjacked the GOP.

 

[SixPackInBoxers]

Buchanan is dead on about the dynasty President but so is Mazda about the dynasty girl.

 

[andysayshi]

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

[smelter]

Mazda wrote: Well Smelt, I guess the only response for a song is another song:

Actually, mine is not a song, its a slightly altered (see strikeouts) famous Winston Churchill speech.

"We shall go on to the end, we shall fight [strike]in France[/strike] you and Chance, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our [strike]Island[/strike] Democracy, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight [strike]on the beaches[/strike] you sonofabeaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender .... "

 

[Ninja108]

Politcions are hyprocrites, a fact of life, nobody has a moral high ground in this one

 

[bike10]

Thanks Andy for that clip of Keith from MSNBC. You are so right what Keith said sums up the 7 years of distrust and lies of the Bush-Cheney team.

At least Paris Hilton did her time in jail.