Pres.Bush Commutes Libby Prison Sentence

[letme]

Um, Libby is a traitor, hon, a traitor. That doesn't mean much to you guys, but it does to normal, America-loving people.

Are you going to denies this is the same as what Libby did ?


YASAK, Joseph A. Chicago, Illinois Knowingly making under oath a false declaration regarding a material fact before a grand jury

 

[Andreus]

you guys can flood this thread with debris and detritus concerning the clinton term end pardons all you want

in the end its nothing more than the standard method of throwing a pile of crap over the pile of crap you are embarrassed about

shame on you

 

[springboksfan]

Let's face it, boys and girls...it's not as if this really comes as a surprise to any of us. It was just a matter of when not if.

Exactly. There is, apparently, no such thing as a criminal in the Bush Administration under the Bush Administration. Only terrorists.

I sometimes wonder if he's fought this "fight them there" scenario out thoroughly. I mean, if we were "fighting them here" he would be free to get away with so much more!

20 January 2009 cannot come soon enough!

 

[Andreus]

Let's face it, boys and girls...it's not as if this really comes as a surprise to any of us. It was just a matter of when not if.

this is what america has become this day because of bush and his supporters

we just expect this type of corruption and lies

Bush's administration is the new evil empire

they have no semblance of morality or desire to have it... they just want to abuse the powers of the office of the presidency

these people are dragging the lofty office of the presidency of the united states through the mud with their filth.... cheney should be shot and bush should spend his days in gitmo

 

[jackoroe]

^Drew, advocating the Vice President of the Unites States be shot is completely uncalled for. It goes to just what kind of person you apparently are.

 

[Andreus]

^Drew, advocating the Vice President of the Unites States be shot is completely uncalled for. It goes to just what kind of person you apparently are.

whats that?

you dont like justice do ya champ

cheney is a monster.. he has cost untold deaths on a planetary scale

you are arguing for the justice of letting a convicted fellon go scott free and the murder of half a million doesnt impress you

dont lecture me on what type of person i am

tell me what kind of person YOU are

tell me that you believe in the courts of america and that this presidential pardon is immoral

otherwise just keep the phony morality cause its looking awfully fake from out here

 

[HenryReardon]

cause god knows its more immoral to lie about a blowjob to save your marriage than it is to lie about a leak that put an american employees life on the line

all just grist for the mill of lies that the republican party has become

Clinton lied under oath to save his sorry ass. His marriage was always secure, and he knew it. Hillary needs to ride on his popularity.

There was no evidence presented that any lives were put on the line by any leak.

It was NEVER established that the woman was covert, at the time, or at any time within the meaning of the governing act.

Get over it and get on with your life, if you have one outside of your hate.

 

[Andreus]

Clinton lied under oath to save his sorry ass. His marriage was always secure, and he knew it. Hillary needs to ride on his popularity.

There was no evidence presented that any lives were put on the line by any leak.

It was NEVER established that the woman was covert, at the time, or at any time within the meaning of the governing act.

Get over it and get on with your life, if you have one outside of your hate.

priceless

you were just justifying torture in your "humor" thread and now you are going to even ATTEMPT to pass judgement on me?

what a great laugh that one is

the man is a convicted fellon and the courts and a judge sentenced him

there is no justification for this

the pardon is a high crime in and of itself and your support of it is collusion

 

[letme]

cheney is a monster.. he has cost untold deaths on a planetary scale.

Drew You have been very pointed,as of late, to prove , with facts , what a person speaks. I really doubt you can prove this ^^^.

hell he can't even shoot a guy with buck-shot and kill him.

 

[Andreus]

cheney is a monster.. he has cost untold deaths on a planetary scale.

Drew You have been very pointed,as of late, to prove , with facts , what a person speaks. I really doubt you can prove this ^^^.

hell he can't even shoot a guy with buck-shot and kill him.

that is a fast discussion

one.... cheney lied and said that saddam was linked to al queda.. it was not

two.... he said there were weapons of mass destruction ... there werent

three.... one half a million iraqis have died for these lies

and all this still wont distract from your humilliation for supporting this atrocious action taken by bush today

your man is a moral retard and you are ashamed of having to support him

 

[letme]

priceless



the man is a convicted fellon and the courts and a judge sentenced him

there is no justification for this

the pardon is a high crime in and of itself and your support of it is collusion

Drew re-read post #52 and #47 and tell me the list people are lesser felons. Hell they are real violators of justice.

 

[Andreus]

Drew re-read post #52 and tell me the list people are lesser felons. Hell they are real violators of justice.

do you get that your arguement only makes bush more guilty?

if you think that clinton was bad for one then bush has to be bad as well or you have sellective morals

 

[jtilden21]

In order to be a traitor, one must be found guilty of Treason as a matter of law. Please cite for us all, because I really want to see it, the finding by a court of law that Mr. Libby was found guilty of Treason. Or that he was even charged with Treason, just to make it easier on you! As to "Normal America", I would urge you to come and visit it sometime, just so you know what it looks like.

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

Source: www.wikepedia.com

Not a court decision, just a definition.

The first sentence seems to support the agrument of treason in this case; yet the second requires a subjective judgment of the facts and consequences.

Again, not a court judgment -- just throwing it out there for discussion.

 

[Andreus]

In law, treason is the crime of disloyalty to one's nation. A person who betrays the nation of their citizenship and/or reneges on an oath of loyalty and in some way willfully cooperates with an enemy, is considered to be a traitor. Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]." In many nations, it is also often considered treason to attempt or conspire to overthrow the government, even if no foreign country is aided or involved by such an endeavour.

Source: www.wikepedia.com

Not a court decision, just a definition.

The first sentence seems to support treason, yet the second requires a subjective judgment of the facts and consequences.

Again, not a court judgment -- just throwing it out there for discussion.

it wont matter

if he is a republican they will not say he was wrong

 

[letme]

do you get that your arguement only makes bush more guilty?

if you think that clinton was bad for one then bush has to be bad as well or you have sellective morals

Drew I made an edit read #47 also more then one.

And Yes both/all Prez use/abuse the powers of the Constitution.

 

[jtilden21]

^ just trying to open a definition for discussion, party-neutral; though I respect your opinion

 

[Andreus]

Drew I made an edit read #47 also more then one.

And Yes both/all Prez use/abuse the powers of the Constitution.

then say it directly

just one of you

say that what bush did today was an abuse of the powers he was given by the constitution

lets not forget that as he pardons this man he also is refusing to turn documents over to the senate subcommittee for congressional oversight in refference to this issue

this is outrageous

and if you think my anger is big just wait until all of america digests this

 

[Andreus]

^ just trying to open a definition for discussion, party-neutral; though I respect your opinion

i think that the man was guilty of treason, but that is not what we are allowed to know

Bush is blocking the release of those documents

this is going to be a constitutional crisis

and it is going to get really bad

 

[jtilden21]

^ Prezs often exercise executive power, and often, when they do, the citizenship find it questionable

 

[jtilden21]

B4 you yell at me Andreus, executive power is a strange animal -- it moves outside the rules of checks and balances. I know what you are saying.