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President Barack Obama

I was talking about the general voting public, who wanted a President they "could have a beer with." I yes, I did know what Bush was--a weak, inexperienced candidate who was all talk and no action. Oh, wait...

Let's try that again there Lance without the spin

G W Bush was a second term governor of a major state (rhymes with second term senator from a major state) who was the son of a president and vice president who served for 12 years in those roles (rhymes with spouse of a president who served for eight years) who was known to play some very important policy and staff roles in his father"s (husband's) administration - a man who knew which experienced staff people to call on like Cheney, Rumsfeld -

all your experience claim is the same thing we heard 8 years ago

Bush = Hillary Clinton on may levels including supporting the war in Iraq and you want to debate that, if she is so god damned stupid or gullible that she trusted a fucking thing that G W Bush said, the only way she should see theWhite House is on postcards

but she was not fucking stupid or gullible - she voted for Bush's war because it was a political calculation, same as Kerry and Edwards made, to look "tough" and in Hillary's case because she wanted to show she was a bastard enough to be commander in chief

she voted Bush's way as a political calculation and you know what - we have a right to hold her accountable on her votes especially when she wants to play the experience card - what experience - her war voting experience, her ridicule of diplomacy, her feeble attempts to have it all ways

Bush = Clinton - all support war in Iraq, and none of their daughters has served in the military
 
I am not sure why you posted this twice but you can post it again and again and again -

be aware you may get suspended, banned, or at least warned for saying that though ;)


I really don't know why it posted twice. I'll be certain to never repeat myself again when I call you a "good guy"...once is enough to give you the big head#-o
 
It's interesting that I ask for some specifics about Obama and all I get in response is attacks about the tired, bullshit issue of Senator Clinton's vote on Iraq. What, exactly, makes Obama so great on that issue? Let's look at his...gasp...record, shall we. What a novel thought!

The Obama Iraq War Timeline:

In 2002, he gave a speech that has been posted many, many times speaking out against the use of force in Iraq. His words we good and we applaud him for that, of course. But those are just words. What about his actions on Iraq?

By 2003--as the war grew more popular--he had removed that speech from his web site. It has miracuously reappeared after the war grew unpopular.

In 2004, Obama said he wasn't sure how he would have voted on the resolution if he had the chance to vote:
‘When asked about Senators Kerry and Edwards' votes on the Iraq war, Obama said, "I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,’ Mr. Obama said. ‘What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.’

Also in 2004, Obama said that there was relatively little difference between his position and Bush's on Iraq:
In a meeting with Chicago Tribune reporters at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said, “On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago. […] There's not much of a difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage.”

In a 2006 interview with The New Yorker, Obama stated the following:
So it’s not clear to me what differences we’ve had since I’ve been in the Senate. I think what people might point to is our different assessments of the war in Iraq, although I’m always careful to say that I was not in the Senate, so perhaps the reason I thought it was such a bad idea was that I didn’t have the benefit of U.S. intelligence. And, for those who did, it might have led to a different set of choices. So that might be something that sort of is obvious. But, again, we were in different circumstances at that time: I was running for the U.S. Senate, she had to take a vote, and casting votes is always a difficult test.

And in his 2006 book, Audacity of Hope, Obama wrote:
Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried.

Obama waited 18 months after becoming a Senator to give a speech on Iraq. Speaking an an amendment offered by Senators Kerry and Feinstein to set a timeline for troop withdrawal, Obama said he opposed "a precipitous withdrawal of our troops, driven by congressional edict." [Obama Floor Statement On Kerry Amendment, 6/21/06]

Also, many of you fail to realize that Senators Clinton and Obama's voting record on Iraq is almost exactly the same, with the exception of one vote:
In fact, Obama's Senate voting record on Iraq is nearly identical to Clinton's. Over the two years Obama has been in the Senate, the only Iraq-related vote on which they differed was the confirmation earlier this year of General George Casey to be Chief of Staff of the Army, which Obama voted for and Clinton voted against.
To see a full list of votes, go here (PDF).

As you can see, there is a stark contrast between Obama's words in 2002 and his actions up until this point. How can you possibly use Iraq has some kind of advantage for Obama?
 
Lance, I check your links and buddy if I were your high school english teacher I would fail your for prooftexting and sloppy use of quotes for the sake of spin.

I read your links, including the very positive about Obama, and listing many of his accomplishments but tyhen you quote something about hiom not knocking Kerry and Edwards and you suddenly stop quoting - you misuse his statement - he was not giving them the pass you imply, he was being kind at a national convention, but he did, in fact crticize them

But Mr. Obama said he did fault Democratic leaders for failing to ask enough tough questions of the Bush administration to force it to prove its case for war. ''What I don't think was appropriate was the degree to which Congress gave the president a pass on this,'' he said.


some of your other links arfe the usual wacxky paranoia sites where 'insiders' on the outside suggest they know the 'real meanings' of things they are not remotely privy to.

got to be hard work to keep it up, Lance. Save your strength, the Wisconsin primary is looming large.
 
oh come on president barak obama. he makes my skin crawl

That's odd, because he speaks so well of you, and spells your name right, but thank you indeed for another in depth and intellectual contribution that always impresses with the wisdom of those who do not like Barack Obama
 
I find it funny that people compare Obama getting elected to another 8 years of Bush's presidency, considering Hillary's politics are more aligned with Bush's than Obama's are.
 
On Nov. 4, it will all be about Democrats vs Republicans as usual. The majority of voters always vote strictly for their registered party. Only a very small percent cross party lines or vote for a third party. We had better hope on Nov. 4, the percentage of Dems is more than Repubs.
 
if that's a fact, then why did you said "I'm sure you'd find a LEGION of Hillary supporters who'd agree with you"?

What? I said I don't agree, but I'm sure you'd find others who will. How is that hard to understand?
 
One person said that Obama supports will soon be seen passing out flowers airports.:rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:


Now, that was a funny line....[-X

Obama is a solid candidate, but yep, for some it's like a cult or religious experience. Pretty soon, folks are going to throw garments onto the stage...people are behaving like they just had an Elvis sighting.
 
Of course you'd prefer a red herring; even your allies on here admits that the only bullshit on this is being spewed by you.

You're a disingenuous fake shilling entirely, and irrationally, for Rodham. Why do you need a list of any of this? Why don't you let people vote for who they want, and you support who you want? You aren't convincing ANYONE with your heavy-handed, rude, adolescent, divisive politics of personal destruction. If this is your approach to campaigning, you might want to work for the Republicans since you use their tactics---you fit their machine far better.

"Disingenuous," "fake," "irrational"? When I'm the only one that has actually proven and backed up my arguments with facts and cites? And when you guys have failed to actually refute my claims and instead have resorted to these kinds of childish, "rude," and "divisive" personal attacks. Grow up.

Just because you disagree with my statements doesn't me my opinion doesn't matter. Just because I support a candidate whom you oppose doesn't make my voice or contribution any less significant. My approach to campaigning is provided reasoned arguments supported by facts to prove my points. Substance is important--in fact, it is crucial--to any debate. That type of reasoned debate, however, is a two way street and from the way you guys are acting I'm the only one on the road.
 
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