president Obama and transgender bathroom controversy

[Benvolio]

It is bizarre to think that a tiny few with personality disorders set the standard and everyone else has to conform.

 

[pat grimshaw]

The tiny minority keep on telling themselves they are "on the Right Side of History"
but someone else has to pay for the plumbing

 

[luckynumbah7]

^^^^When you two talk to each other, is it like chatting at a mirror?

 

[pat grimshaw]

...you..

I'm not asking the nation to change just because I want it to.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I'm not asking the nation to change just because I want it to.

Of course not. If it were up to you, you'd probably have an [STRIKE]wife [/STRIKE]maid barefoot at home and a couple slaves on the premises. It'd go great with your 'shoot on sight' welcome mat and the chick tracts in your aging mailbox.

Don't want to possibly use the bathroom with a trans person, then stay home. Don't forget to put a men's sign on your own bathroom door, though, wouldn't want any of your friends of the more feminine persuasion to walk in by accident, leave cooties in there.

 

[Latimer]

The tiny minority keep on telling themselves they are "on the Right Side of History"

Mr. Obama always knows best. But others may conclude that history is better seen as a poygon.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/obama-right-side-of-history/420462/

 

[peeonme]

The tiny minority keep on telling themselves they are "on the Right Side of History"
but someone else has to pay for the plumbing

Like most of your ilk, you chose to dangle the dollar rather than to talk about freedom. You try to cry foul, poor me, I'm going broke rather than to admit that you're prejudiced and discriminatory against a small minority of people.

This is not a democracy, the mob rule law doesn't apply in America. This is a constitutional republic where the rights of the minority are protected. We have the rule of law, but the law must fit into an inconvenient place called the constitution.

This argument started with a state government telling a girl or boy what bathroom they had to use, so if a m to f girl were to be forced to use the boy's room because their plumbing didn't match their sexual identity they would have to dress as a boy to be safe, if a biological male were to go into a boy's room wearing girl's clothing I doubt that they would make it out safely.

This argument isn't about where one should piss, it is about the right to live as you identify sexually.

 

[opinterph]

[Transsexual] is, in my opinion, more likely to be a personality disorder, psychological in origin

Your opinion is misinformed. The American Psychiatric Association regards transgender as a normal human variant.

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[Kabluey]

Like most of your ilk, you chose to dangle the dollar rather than to talk about freedom. You try to cry foul, poor me, I'm going broke rather than to admit that you're prejudiced and discriminatory against a small minority of people.

This is not a democracy, the mob rule law doesn't apply in America. This is a constitutional republic where the rights of the minority are protected. We have the rule of law, but the law must fit into an inconvenient place called the constitution.

This argument started with a state government telling a girl or boy what bathroom they had to use, so if a m to f girl were to be forced to use the boy's room because their plumbing didn't match their sexual identity they would have to dress as a boy to be safe, if a biological male were to go into a boy's room wearing girl's clothing I doubt that they would make it out safely.

This argument isn't about where one should piss, it is about the right to live as you identify sexually.

The dollar argument is used when all logical arguments have failed.
The 'think of the children' argument will continue to be made, no doubt. Logical fallacy (or phallusy ).

 

[Kahaih]

The dollar argument is used when all logical arguments have failed.
The 'think of the children' argument will continue to be made, no doubt. Logical fallacy (or phallusy ).

As it was in the 4th paragraph of the post you quoted:

. . . if a biological male were to go into a boy's room wearing girl's clothing I doubt that they would make it out safely.

. . .

Which is supposed to imply that if a biological female goes into a boy's [rest]room wearing boy's clothing she'll come out unscathed? ? ?

 

[Benvolio]

Like most of your ilk, you chose to dangle the dollar rather than to talk about freedom. You try to cry foul, poor me, I'm going broke rather than to admit that you're prejudiced and discriminatory against a small minority of people.

This is not a democracy, the mob rule law doesn't apply in America. This is a constitutional republic where the rights of the minority are protected. We have the rule of law, but the law must fit into an inconvenient place called the constitution.

This argument started with a state government telling a girl or boy what bathroom they had to use, so if a m to f girl were to be forced to use the boy's room because their plumbing didn't match their sexual identity they would have to dress as a boy to be safe, if a biological male were to go into a boy's room wearing girl's clothing I doubt that they would make it out safely.

This argument isn't about where one should piss, it is about the right to live as you identify sexually.

Nothing in the Constitution remotly justifies a dictatorial order from the President or his bureaucrats, overruling the Democratically elected legiclatures. No "rights" of the minority are involved. The transgendered people have no right to ignore the privacy rights of others. The have their own rooms to use. If they are uncomfortable, their discomfort does not trump the discomfort of the larger number of people who do not share their personality disorder.
You have made absolutely no attempt to explain why the rights to privacy of the much larger majority is less important.

 

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[frankfrank]

We've all seen FTM in men's bathrooms and MTF in
women's bathrooms.

We most don't know unless we're following them into stalls to inspect their genitalia.

But if a M to F (with Male on the birth certificate) is forced to use the men's room, THEN we will know...EXACTLY...where that person fits in. In some places - and the shocking amount of anti-transsexual vitriol ON THIS FORUM certainly goes leaps and bounds to prove all of this even farther - that person may even be in danger of being beaten to death. If the M to F uses the women's room, chances are good that nobody will ever even notice.

I Thought that m to f were in patients and f to m were out patients?

...No, not even remotely. Everything is inpatient. It isn't minor surgery so it's in patient. And someone is dreaming at only 124,000, I don't think they included revisions.

Actually, I think he was making a joke. M TO F end up with a "hole" there - which is "in" because it is a hole, sort of like a large "innie." F to M have something similar to a penis, which sticks outward, sort of like a huge "outie."

Am I the only one who "sees what he did?" Actually funny to me - well, I guess, in a Howard Stern type of way. (Note that he did "in patient" and "out patient" as TWO words each...he was doing that NOT in a hospitalization sense.)

 

[luckynumbah7]

The pun needs congratulations - it was subtle enough that I missed it and classy enough to get a snicker. Tho I guarantee anyone who knows about surgery are prolly just going to rattle off a correction first so it might be a bit of a lost-in-translation thing.

 

[rareboy]

The taxpayer certainly do not win, and you have not dealt with the dictate as it relates to locker rooms and showers. Are we going to be forced to build an individual locker room for each kid, and a shower room for each?

So it is really only about the cost of a toilet and sink?...And maybe an individual shower?

Having had your fallacious opinion on what a transsexual is....this is now only a case of 'Think of the poor taxpayer'?

When we were travelling in Europe last year, we saw several places where toilets were universal. Each toilet is a separate, completely enclosed stall, with a separate area for urinals and sinks were used by everyone.

Why is the US so backward?

You and Grimshaw just appear utterly ridiculous.

 

[Rolyo85]

It is bizarre to think that a tiny few with personality disorders set the standard and everyone else has to conform.

Your posting habits are a personality disorder

 

[rareboy]

I would just remind everyone that the GOP and the shills who fill the message boards during election season are turning to this issue as their voter motivator.

While the country is arguing about toilets, it keeps their eyes and attention off the real issues.

In the past, homos served this purpose, but that was all ruined more or less by the Supreme Court.

And Muslims and Mexicans just aren't proving to have the same power over voters this year.

So while the military industrial complex and international corporations siphon off trillions from taxpayers...we get people complaining about the cost of a universal toilet in public schools and igniting the straw dog of pervy boys claiming they really are girls in order to cop a peek at their daughters' titties after gym class.

Pitiful.

And people fall for it.

 

[peeonme]

Nothing in the Constitution remotly justifies a dictatorial order from the President or his bureaucrats, overruling the Democratically elected legiclatures. No "rights" of the minority are involved. The transgendered people have no right to ignore the privacy rights of others. The have their own rooms to use. If they are uncomfortable, their discomfort does not trump the discomfort of the larger number of people who do not share their personality disorder.
You have made absolutely no attempt to explain why the rights to privacy of the much larger majority is less important.

I am sure that some in the south felt discomfort when schools were integrated and when blacks started to eat at the same lunch counter as the whites.
Nowhere in the constitution does it say specifically that these events should have happened, it was not the letter but the "intent" of this document that started the ball rolling down the road to the goal of equality.

Now, as for your seeming discomfort that your privacy is being invaded, try to get a peek at a dick at a urinal. It isn't easy, besides, if it's a f to m, they won't be at a urinal to see you.
In like fashion if it's a m to f person and they use the girls room, (don't let this come as a shock), there are no urinals. The girls use stalls because they sit. No female will suffer trauma from seeing a dick.
Do you think that a m to f trans. person will peek over the top of the stall?

How is anyone's privacy being invaded? Again, this is a lot of hot air over a non-issue.

 

[rareboy]

Nothing in the Constitution remotly justifies a dictatorial order from the President or his bureaucrats, overruling the Democratically elected legiclatures. No "rights" of the minority are involved. The transgendered people have no right to ignore the privacy rights of others. The have their own rooms to use. If they are uncomfortable, their discomfort does not trump the discomfort of the larger number of people who do not share their personality disorder.
You have made absolutely no attempt to explain why the rights to privacy of the much larger majority is less important.

You keep claiming that the guidance letter was some kind of Diktat. It wasn't. I have shown that it does not have the force of law.

You also claim that transgender is a personality disorder. This has also been shown to be false.

What the DOE and DOJ have done is to point out that discrimination of any kind will not be tolerated in schools.

Instead of imposing anything on anyone, they have made it clear that individual communities have the right to determine how they wish to handle this issue in their own schools.

If we allowed the majority to always define the rights of minorities, the US would still have slave states and homosexuality would still be punishable under law. While I'm sure that both of these possibilities would please and excite you to no end, fortunately the US is not ruled, nor was it ever intended to be ruled, through direct democracy.

So stop spreading the lies and hysteria. While you no doubt are revelling in a distraction that keeps the eyes off the real issues in this election year....it is pretty clear that North Carolina's toilets are only a scapegoat.

 

[Benvolio]

So it is really only about the cost of a toilet and sink?...And maybe an individual shower?

Having had your fallacious opinion on what a transsexual is....this is now only a case of 'Think of the poor taxpayer'?

When we were travelling in Europe last year, we saw several places where toilets were universal. Each toilet is a separate, completely enclosed stall, with a separate area for urinals and sinks were used by everyone.

Why is the US so backward?

You and Grimshaw just appear utterly ridiculous.

You confuse your rudeness with intellect. I repeat, you have not dealt with the dictate as it relates to dressing rooms and shower. And yes, money is a part of the problem. There are better uses of the educational money than rebuilding toilets, dressing rooms and showers to accommodate the whims of a tiny, tiny group of personality disorders.