Proof: God is man made

[Love me 2]

I don't believe you.

Try laughing real hard, dude, then you will know what cracking up really is. Hurts the belly.

 

[Brian Smith]

Try laughing real hard, dude, then you will know what cracking up really is. Hurts the belly.

Suit yourself.

 

[FirmaFan]

The God of Real Christians, and very Globalized.

There are over 30,000 denominations of christianity in existence today. Each one would claim to be the "real" christians. This is called the no-true-scotsman fallacy. Claiming that it is very globalized does nothing to give credence to the validity of the claim. This is the argument ad-populum fallacy. Even if every single individual believed the same thing, that doesn't mean it can't be wrong. You have done nothing to show that your version of god (which you have still yet to clearly define) is any more valid than any other god claim. Until you are able to substantiate your claims, the default position with regards to any extraordinary proposition is disbelief.

 

[Love me 2]

There are over 30,000 denominations of christianity in existence today. Each one would claim to be the "real" christians. This is called the no-true-scotsman fallacy. Claiming that it is very globalized does nothing to give credence to the validity of the claim. This is the argument ad-populum fallacy. Even if every single individual believed the same thing, that doesn't mean it can't be wrong. You have done nothing to show that your version of god (which you have still yet to clearly define) is any more valid than any other god claim. Until you are able to substantiate your claims, the default position with regards to any extraordinary proposition is disbelief.

Catholicism is by far the most Populated Christian Religion in world, and now with a good possibility that the Orthodox Church reuniting with Catholicism, can push Real Christianity past 1.2 Billion members to close to 2 Billion. How many of those 30,000 denominations can claim to be close to 1.2 billion? Catholicism is not a denomination. Take in consideration that the Global Population is at or above 7 Billion people.

 

[FirmaFan]

Catholicism is by far the most Populated Christian Religion in world, and now with a good possibility that the Orthodox Church reuniting with Catholicism, can push Real Christianity past 1.2 Billion members to close to 2 Billion. How many of those 30,000 denominations can claim to be close to 1.2 billion? Catholicism is not a denomination. Take in consideration that the Global Population is at or above 7 Billion people.

This does nothing to further determine whether the religious claims made by catholicism (or any other religious denomination) are accurate and true. 2 billion people can be 2 billion incorrect people. The validity of a claim is not based in any way upon the number of people who accept that claim as true. The characteristics of the universe and reality that we all exist in are the same for us all regardless of what we happen to believe about it. When using the tools available that have repeatedly shown to provide us with the best understanding of the nature of reality, religious claims fail every time. People can still believe whatever they want, but something doesn't become true just because enough people begin to believe in it.

 

[conleylover]

The idea that god is man made goes back hundreds of years. feuerbach made the idea famous in the 1800's during the enlightenment. he said, in a nutshell that we project attributes that we value onto god, and thus create a god in our own image. others argued that this is especially prevalent in christian art as well. artists have effectively taken the jew out of jesus. it is always interesting to hear what people say about topics like this. I am studying to be an old testament scholar lol.

But i truth be told, we all mold god into what we want him to be. its called hermaneutics. i emphasize the unconditional love of god towards ALL of creation. some may emphasize the justice of god believing that god punishes as well as loves. these are only two examples out of millions.

in the realm of denominations yes each denomination tries to say that they are the true church. in my opinion, anyone who practices love toward everyone (taking up a the pauline idea that love is the fulfillment of the law and johannine / augustinian idea that when you love someone else you are in a way loving god).

And i do not think that you can either prove or disprove with Cartesian certainty that god exists.

 

[ludolfo]

'God' by definition is man-made. Another term for this is the Patriarchy. God with a big 'G' lording it over 'his' creation from above is man's ego set in the clouds. Agreed.

Now, far more ancient than 'God' is the mythological Great Cosmic Mother who is both nature and universe and that spirit and matter are not separate. We are all born from her Womb and return to her Womb and then so it goes.

However, when the atheist claims 'God is man made' he usually means there is no spirituality. That 'man's' measure/rationality/science is the measure of all things. I am hearing this argument on these boards from all the self-confessed atheists here who demand that reality can be reduced to its smallest constituents and thus be understood, and that any spiritual experience must be neurological disorder, and/or hallucination. This is the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

 

[conleylover]

i agree, and even older than the cosmic mother idea is the dualism of chaos verses order. this forms the basis of the Egyptians 5000 years ago. and that is the extent of my knowledge outside ancient Judaism and Christianity. those are my areas of expertise

 

[ludolfo]

i agree, and even older than the cosmic mother idea is the dualism of chaos verses order. this forms the basis of the Egyptians 5000 years ago. and that is the extent of my knowledge outside ancient Judaism and Christianity. those are my areas of expertise

No, the motif of Cosmic mother is far far more ancient than dualistic notion of chaos versus order. In fact one of the very early recorded myths where the patriarchy led by Marduk/Nimrod (also known as the first Freemason!) is in battle with the Goddess of Chaos, Tiamat is in Babylonian mythology. This is why in all patriarchal myth the fear is the feminine 'chaos' threat to male 'order'. So in their myth are warning about nature being fallen (Judeo Christian), or an illusion and trap/Maya (Eastern philosophy) and the ancient mystery schools also had that notion, that nature and the body were a trap keeping the 'divine spark' from ascending. So for the patriarchal mind, order means escaping nature with its 'messy' 'chaotic' cycles, especially of life and death and regeneration, and returning to the 'order' of the heavens and everlasting life in s spirit world.

 

[TX-Beau]

Marduk was the first Freemason?

Do tell.

 

[Telstra]

'God' by definition is man-made. Another term for this is the Patriarchy. God with a big 'G' lording it over 'his' creation from above is man's ego set in the clouds. Agreed.

Now, far more ancient than 'God' is the mythological Great Cosmic Mother who is both nature and universe and that spirit and matter are not separate. We are all born from her Womb and return to her Womb and then so it goes.

However, when the atheist claims 'God is man made' he usually means there is no spirituality. That 'man's' measure/rationality/science is the measure of all things. I am hearing this argument on these boards from all the self-confessed atheists here who demand that reality can be reduced to its smallest constituents and thus be understood, and that any spiritual experience must be neurological disorder, and/or hallucination. This is the epitome of throwing the baby out with the bathwater!

What is a "spirit" ?

 

[TX-Beau]

I'm still wondering how Marduk was a Mason. Was there an impossibly ancient Masonic lodge somewhere in Mesopotamia that they dug up? A stele showing the secret handshake? What?

 

[ludolfo]

Marduk was the first Freemason?

Do tell.

Freemasonry And The Oath Of Nimrod: The Masonic Connection To The Ancient Babylonian Mystery Religion
There is a direct connection between Freemasonry and the ancient Babylonian mystery religion from which the ancient pagan religions of Egypt, Persia, Greece and Rome eventually developed. It all goes back to a man named Nimrod who the Freemasons view as the true originator of their Order. Nimrod was a great Mesopotamian king who founded the city of Babylon and established the first great empire after Noah's flood. He is also traditionally associated with the Tower of Babel. According to tradition, Nimrod sought to turn men away from God by setting up a tyrannical government and setting up a new religion. In fact, the new religion centered around Nimrod and his wife Semiramis eventually evolved into Baal worship from which all the pagan religions of the Middle East and Europe later developed. Not only that, according to the Encyclopedia of Freemasonry: The legend of the Craft in the Old Constitutions, Nimrod is one of the founders of Masonry.

Babylon is one of the first city states. BUILDING is big part of them, so it makes sense the 'builders' create myths going back to those times.

 

[ludolfo]

What is a "spirit" ?

to answer that you need also ask 'what is "matter"?' Science does not know that answer either.

So how will I answer that question? What is love? Are you going to say love is eg (I am making this formula up): 'x))Y+y(y=2xrrrrrr---eeesoCOPE dyslexrin lythfloclureed''?

What is the feeling of love? Who can say?

We are not measuring now. 'what is' defines doesn't it? If I say 'it is' I have confined/measured 'it'.

I can give examples of facets of spirit. Allowing someone to express their deep spiritual feelings

 

[Telstra]

^
Matter is a substance (often a particle) that has rest mass.
Love is real, real is love, love is feeling, feeling love, love is wanting to be loved.

Now what is a spirit ?

 

[ludolfo]

like talkin to a brick wall

 

[palbert]

Catholicism is by far the most Populated Christian Religion in world, and now with a good possibility that the Orthodox Church reuniting with Catholicism, can push Real Christianity past 1.2 Billion members to close to 2 Billion. How many of those 30,000 denominations can claim to be close to 1.2 billion? Catholicism is not a denomination. Take in consideration that the Global Population is at or above 7 Billion people.

At last, a quantitative analysis. Makes sense but kind of overlooks Islam.

 

[Brian Smith]

to answer that you need also ask 'what is "matter"?'

As far as any physicist can tell, it's something we call "bound energy." Theoretical models would have us view that negatively charged particles in it are made up of a species of leptons, and the positively and neutrally charged particles are made up of certain subatomic particles we call "quarks."

For everyday purposes, when we talk of "matter," we talk of stuff that you can touch with your hands, and we might or might not count the stuff that breathable air is made up of.

Therefore, the term, "matter," needs to be more closely defined: in what sense do we here use the term, "matter"?

What is the feeling of love? Who can say?

Biologically? Heightened arousal in the nucleus accumbens, usually associated with heightened extracellular oxytocin and vasopressin. That particular theory is presently enjoying a degree of popularity, but we are starting recently to find out that oxytocin, in particular, has a more...confusing role than was realized about a decade ago.

If the question is about semiotics, "love" is essentially two-fold: the term entails a deep trust in another person, but it also entails a deeper loyalty and devotion to that person. When we "love" another person, we may have an impulse to retaliate when someone else threatens that person. We may even feel a strange, paradoxical hostility toward the very object of our affection that can either lead to dysfunction or energize our relationship with that person, depending on our level of maturity. Love may give us an oddly pleasurable sense of "helplessness" (which we might be able to chalk up to the action of oxytocin on the kappa-opioid receptor), and we might want to feel that particular flavor of "helplessness" often, even though it might be a little disturbing on a certain level.

And I could describe it poetically . Just specify your preferred form, and the Drunken Master shall provide.

 

[Telstra]

Love is exactly as what John Lennon said in his song.
Anything more than that is just word play.

 

[kallipolis]

when we talk of "matter,"

And I could describe it poetically and the Drunken Master shall provide.

Do, so. I wait with great anticipation.