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Quebec Provincial Election.

Ain't gonna happen.

Demographics made it impossible. Which is what Parizeau and crew realized when the referendum failed.

Those damned immigrants.

The laine is no longer pur.

As usual though, the Quebecois will be smart enough to ensure the flow of federal dollars into la belle province as they scare the rest of Canada into thinking that this time...they're serious.
 
I think that the PQ could win, but the CAQ could very well surge and beat them at the end of the night. There are close races in a lot of ridings. PQ returning to power does not mean we will have a referendum. They will not hold a referendum unless they feel they will be able to win it. If you average out the YES voters in polls in the last 10 years, you`d probably be around 30-35%. There's a certain percentage of the population right now that feels that it is not the time because Québec finances need to be put back on its feet (after 9 years of liberals at the reign) and that's why the CAQ is surging in polls. At times, we've seen voter intentions go over 40% for the YES, but referendums and sovereignty hasn't been on people's minds in this campaign (except for anglo media, which have concentrated on this topic).

It'll be interesting to see the results tonight, as there are many ridings that are too close to call.. 2 or 3 way races.
 
As for long term, i do think that Québec will separate. Could be in 5 years, 10 years, or longer. The separatist parties will have to join forces again (there are at least 3 separatist parties right now) and they will have to welcome in the right wing separatists (who currently don't really have a party for them). Once the right joins in, then they might be able to get the Québec city region to join in, and once they are in, then it's just a matter of time.

This issue is very emotional for a lot of people, so i expect this thread to get nasty, but i thought i'd try to contribute my comments as a Québec separatist myself. I do love Canada btw.
 
From a local perspective rather than doing some dry research on the Internet, can you guys explain to me why there is such a big movement from the separatists to leave Canada? Isn't French-Canadian part of the heritage that is Canada? Why do they feel the impassioned desire to leave the country they are connected to? Don't they benefit more by Canada's national government in commerce, subsidies, and influence than if they become their own country? Would the nation of Canada even allow it? We settled this in the U.S. You don't leave the Union. Period.
 
I actually think the Harper government favours Quebec separatism because of its own right-wing policy choices. I think Alberta is a big of a problem for Canadian unity as Quebec separatists. And I hope they both fail.

However I think the real risk is a Parti Québécois government just declaring separation over some pretext without a referendum. That would get ugly.
 
From a local perspective rather than doing some dry research on the Internet, can you guys explain to me why there is such a big movement from the separatists to leave Canada? Isn't French-Canadian part of the heritage that is Canada? Why do they feel the impassioned desire to leave the country they are connected to? Don't they benefit more by Canada's national government in commerce, subsidies, and influence than if they become their own country? Would the nation of Canada even allow it? We settled this in the U.S. You don't leave the Union. Period.

It's a complicated history. When the dust settled after the last war between Britain and France, the colonies were in the control of Britain. And even though the Royal Proclamation of 1763 made promises to Quebecers about freedom of language and religion, there was corruption on both sides, and French Canadians were exploited by English business interests in Toronto as well as French Catholic interests in Quebec. British governments made many attempts to get francophones to give up their culture and language and become good little English colonists but to their credit they resisted. Until the 1960s however it was easy to see that French Canadians were second class citizens in their own country, poorly educated, agricultural museum of a province, under the thumb of the church, and a business community that saw francophones as nothing more than disposable labour.

The 1960s changed that; the Quiet Revolution saw intellectuals in Quebec reject the authority of the church and the role of second-class citizenship. The whole country changed to recognize the equality of English and French in all matters of government and national life and saw Canada become officially bilingual.

The country was lead brilliantly by Quebecers like Trudeau. He pointed out that when he started in government, he was expected, as a francophone, to write to other francophones in English, in their own country, in matters related to their own government. It was totally unacceptable and he put a stop to it.

But there are two problems:

An entire generation of intellectuals arose in Quebec rejected equality as the solution and wanted to separate from Canada. I consider it an intellectual dead end that has wasted years and billions. The same separatists have come to power twice and forced votes on separation in 1976 and 1995. Both times the separatists failed: Canadians in all provinces, including Quebec, have the same values of equality. We have similar economic patterns. Our history is locked together. And it's our heritage. And the best way forward is together. The trouble is that in our relatively small political communities, there is not much choice. So, to vote against the separatists is to vote for the federalists. And if the federalists outstay their welcome and grow tired and stagnant, the only way to vote them out of office is to vote for the separatists again. So they keep getting this lifeline.

The other problem, more recent, is the backlash from hick redneck provinces like Alberta who reject the equality measures of the 1960s, where a lot of people truly believe that when Britain defeated France 250 years ago it should somehow give English speakers some kind of special rights and that are denied to French speakers.

It is stupidity all around. But the best future for all Canadians is still as a united country.

And Quebecers, who are the only ones who have ever been asked if they want to stay or go, seem to know that. Even when they vote for separation, Quebecers are told they would somehow get to remain Canadian. It is part of the Separatist agenda to confuse people who are sitting on the fence, but it has nothing to do with reality.
 
HEY LOUISE!!!

LOOK! There's Canadians under this rock!

:biggrin:


(all I know about Quebec is that the stripper bars in Montreal were rockin', oh and yeah it's somehow related to Louisiana)
 
As for the question of Quebec seperatism, would this include the current area of the province/nation of Quebec or will the First Nations in the north be able to choose if they want to stay as part of Canada as some Territory?

Personally, I'd rather Quebec stay in Canada, a family friend owns a condo in New Hampshire and we hope to drive up to Quebec sometime from there. Though it's more European style, my cousin (who has French class) and I do speak some French to each other, very basic though.

Oh and I really want to have naughty bedroom activities with former PQ leader Boisclair! ;)
 
HEY LOUISE!!!

LOOK! There's Canadians under this rock!

:biggrin:


(all I know about Quebec is that the stripper bars in Montreal were rockin', oh and yeah it's somehow related to Louisiana)

Quebec is not really related to Louisiana. France had several colonies in North America, just as England did. Acadia was a French colony in what is now the provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia. As France and England fought between themselves, the colonies were traded like poker chips. Eventually Acadia went to the English, and the colonists refused to take an oath of allegiance to the English king (what today would be an oath of citizenship). They were kicked out. Many settled in what is now the States. Others preferred an oath of loyalty to the Spanish crown and turned up in Louisiana (another colony traded like poker chips between the Crowns of Europe) Then, thanks to a century or two of mumbling, Acadian became "cajun."
 
As for the question of Quebec seperatism, would this include the current area of the province/nation of Quebec or will the First Nations in the north be able to choose if they want to stay as part of Canada as some Territory?

Personally, I'd rather Quebec stay in Canada, a family friend owns a condo in New Hampshire and we hope to drive up to Quebec sometime from there. Though it's more European style, my cousin (who has French class) and I do speak some French to each other, very basic though.

Oh and I really want to have naughty bedroom activities with former PQ leader Boisclair! ;)

Yeah, the principle is already talked about: if Quebec can separate from Canada, then regions can separate from Quebec.
 
Unfortunately there seems to be no appetite for that so Marois will probably become premier. And her acceptance speech was interrupted by a crazy gunman who appears to have killed someone.

LOL I read that as "maori,"

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A PQ minority is not a bad thing.

Now they will have to govern.

And that is the problem. Whenever any party has to govern in Quebec, they end up becoming unpopular.
 
From a local perspective rather than doing some dry research on the Internet, can you guys explain to me why there is such a big movement from the separatists to leave Canada? Isn't French-Canadian part of the heritage that is Canada? Why do they feel the impassioned desire to leave the country they are connected to? Don't they benefit more by Canada's national government in commerce, subsidies, and influence than if they become their own country? Would the nation of Canada even allow it? We settled this in the U.S. You don't leave the Union. Period.

What we want is to be in control of every decision we make. We want to be in control of our future, of our resources and our money. We want to be able to decide what is good for us (instead of having it imposed on us) and not have to send our money to Ottawa and then go beg every year for money.

Canada is a nice country, but it's very big and it has many different realities. People in Newfoundland do not have the same priorities and concerns as people in Alberta, and people in BC do not have the same priorities and realities as Québécers. When we decide we want to pass a law in our backyard, for our people, we do not want Ottawa to then reverse that decision on us. When we decide we want to spend OUR money for hydro or the environment, we do not want Ottawa to send the money to Alberta for oil or to Ontario for the car industry. We just want to decide what's good for US and do it.

We do not hate the rest of Canada, and we do not wish any harm to anyone. We do not think we're better than anyone, or worse.
We are different.
Different language, different culture, different mentality.
We want to work with Canadians in the future.

As for how to go through with it.. once our population decides it's time to do it (came real close in 95), then we will take care of ourselves. We do not need people elsewhere to tell us how we suck and how we'll fail terribly. Many countries with far less ressources have been created in the last 100 years, i'm sure we can do fine.

We have been stuck in a 40 year battle over this issue, and it's slowed down our nation's progress. Let's hope one day people can leave emotions aside and realize that it's not the end of the world. In fact, i think that every province in Canada should be in total control of their destiny.
 
What we want is to be in control of every decision we make. We want to be in control of our future, of our resources and our money. We want to be able to decide what is good for us (instead of having it imposed on us) and not have to send our money to Ottawa and then go beg every year for money.

Canada is a nice country, but it's very big and it has many different realities. People in Newfoundland do not have the same priorities and concerns as people in Alberta, and people in BC do not have the same priorities and realities as Québécers. When we decide we want to pass a law in our backyard, for our people, we do not want Ottawa to then reverse that decision on us. When we decide we want to spend OUR money for hydro or the environment, we do not want Ottawa to send the money to Alberta for oil or to Ontario for the car industry. We just want to decide what's good for US and do it.

We do not hate the rest of Canada, and we do not wish any harm to anyone. We do not think we're better than anyone, or worse.
We are different.
Different language, different culture, different mentality.
We want to work with Canadians in the future.

As for how to go through with it.. once our population decides it's time to do it (came real close in 95), then we will take care of ourselves. We do not need people elsewhere to tell us how we suck and how we'll fail terribly. Many countries with far less ressources have been created in the last 100 years, i'm sure we can do fine.

We have been stuck in a 40 year battle over this issue, and it's slowed down our nation's progress. Let's hope one day people can leave emotions aside and realize that it's not the end of the world. In fact, i think that every province in Canada should be in total control of their destiny.

Oh Puhleeze.

Quebec is on shaky ground without a federal structure.

the last thing the world needs are more Balkanized states.

Quebec with Canada is stronger.
Canada with Quebec is stronger.

Quebec will never secede. There is no sense at all to it. Speaking French is hardly a reason to be a separate nation.

The reality is that an independent Quebec would become either a 2nd world state or be annexed by the US for the resources.

the last time that Quebec threatened to secede , it made it clear that it would stick the rest of the country with its share of the debt.

I

do

not


think



so.

Ma Fois.
 
What we want is to be in control of every decision we make. We want to be in control of our future, of our resources and our money. We want to be able to decide what is good for us (instead of having it imposed on us) and not have to send our money to Ottawa and then go beg every year for money.

Canada is a nice country, but it's very big and it has many different realities. People in Newfoundland do not have the same priorities and concerns as people in Alberta, and people in BC do not have the same priorities and realities as Québécers. When we decide we want to pass a law in our backyard, for our people, we do not want Ottawa to then reverse that decision on us. When we decide we want to spend OUR money for hydro or the environment, we do not want Ottawa to send the money to Alberta for oil or to Ontario for the car industry. We just want to decide what's good for US and do it.

We do not hate the rest of Canada, and we do not wish any harm to anyone. We do not think we're better than anyone, or worse.
We are different.
Different language, different culture, different mentality.
We want to work with Canadians in the future.

As for how to go through with it.. once our population decides it's time to do it (came real close in 95), then we will take care of ourselves. We do not need people elsewhere to tell us how we suck and how we'll fail terribly. Many countries with far less ressources have been created in the last 100 years, i'm sure we can do fine.

We have been stuck in a 40 year battle over this issue, and it's slowed down our nation's progress. Let's hope one day people can leave emotions aside and realize that it's not the end of the world. In fact, i think that every province in Canada should be in total control of their destiny.

You do have a place to shape your destiny:
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If an idea is good in Québec City, it is a good idea in Ottawa. If working with other Canadians is a good idea in the future, it is a good idea now. If heritage and culture are important, why neglect the heritage of the rest of the country? We all want to decide what is good for us instead of having it imposed on us. That is why all of us…already…live in a free democracy.
 
Can anyone else imagine the horror of rats abandoning ship in Quebec? It would disintegrate at breakneck speed. As a separate nation it would have to negotiate a plethora of trade agreements (which can take years), establish currency, borders, relations, completely refinance itself (and it owes a boatload of cash to Canada as a whole). Geez. What a freakin' nightmare separation would be.

I pay a lot of taxes and a lot of those taxes end up in Quebec. Sorry, but I'm not letting Quebec go that easily...and to that end, most Canadians won't.
 
May I compare Texas to the situation up yonder? We were owned by Mexico and we won our independence. Since then we have assimilated Texican and Mexican into what we have now. I took Spanish in HS with 3/4 of the class Latino. We have accepted the Mexican lifestyle and celebrate Cinco de Mayo in the state of Puebla, the date is observed to commemorate the Mexican army's unlikely victory over French forces at the Battle of Puebla on May 5, 1862 and Diez Seis de Septembre, Father Hidalgo launched the Mexican War of Independence against Spain.. We celebrate those Mexican holidays more so than March 2nd which is our independence from Mexico.
San Antonio has a big week long fiesta for our independence from Mexico the week that April 21st falls in. So you can see that everyone in the country can celebrate their situations.
Sorry, I rambled on there, what I mean is Quebec can enjoy the commeradie that is Canada totally. My Grandfather came from Canada and we believe from Quebec. So learn to live together like we have and you will be just fine!:sex:
 
I would note that the PQ got 30.9% of the vote. The Liberals got 30.2% of the vote.

Not a ringing endorsement for separatism.
 
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