"Queer as Folk" and "Six Feet Under": required watching for gays?

[Lube]

I'm new around here. He definitely hasn't mentioned a wife in any threads I've read.

I know they're fiction. They're just fiction that suck. (At least QAF...I know nothing about SFU)

Well of course you haven't seen it mentioned if you're new around here. By definition.


P.S.--if you hang out long enough, or peruse my past threads, you'll see that I mention my coming out story often enough. It's anything but a secret.

 

[Lube]

^OMFG, HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THAT JEWEL OF A COMMENT?????

Elvin, FTW!

Elvin, apparently, doesn't understand the difference between "in denial" and "in the closet", so I long ago gave up trying to respond to him.

Your willingness to banter on about topics you know little about is quickly putting you in the same category.

So don't be surprised if you're the next person I put on "virtual ignore".

^ We really don't need to watch a DVD because there's a Hell of a lot of drama in this thread. What started out as a light hearted question by the OP has turned into a melodramatic critique on television series with a gay theme and characters.

Take QAF and SFU as they are ....... filmed works of fiction.

Thanks, Cowboy Bob.

I guess I've finally "made it" at JUB, as I now have a merry band of cohorts who repeatedly drum up drama in my threads.


Excuse me as we go watch the Season 1 finale of QAF.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

tv ans gay theme? ins a box !

HAAAAAAAAAAAA

next they invent wars fa tv real time keep da populations of jello froms figure da moon really cheese

 

[Lube]

Excuse me!? Season 1...that's crazy talk!

Season 3+ is where it's at.

Thanks for the tip!

I've seen the whole series, but it's all new for the bf, so we started at the beginning.

It's so funny to watch his reactions to things.

 

[FanofFiction]

Queer as Folk, for me, is everything I hate about queer culture. I shudder at the thought of my future children watching old episodes of that garbage and thinking, "That's what life was like for our Dads?"

 

[arpeggi]

I'd say Six Feet Under is required viewing for everyone.

A couple months ago I was invited to a local gay paintball thing. Nobody there had any clue they did the same thing on Six Feet Under. Sadly, my day did not end up nearly as fulfilling as David and Keith's. Not even close.

 

[Lube]

^Oh, Keith.

Oh, KEITH.

Oh, Keith!, oh, Keith, oh Keith!!

 

[altlover85]

^OMFG, HOW THE HELL DID I MISS THAT JEWEL OF A COMMENT?????

Elvin, FTW!

I had no idea that Lube was married to a woman. Now it all makes sense. The overcompensation how comfortable he is with himself, the silly (naive?) notion that every sensitive guy is a closet homosexual, like he turned out to be.

So much just came together. Wow.

Being closeted is just the most fucking hilarious thing ever!

Or not.

I'm new around here. He definitely hasn't mentioned a wife in any threads I've read.

I know they're fiction. They're just fiction that suck. (At least QAF...I know nothing about SFU)

Anytime a lame TV show appears in a thread, folks will speak out on its lameness. It is what it is.

You think it's a lame show because you've seen all the episodes of every season right?

Right?

If not perhaps you'd love to share with us your favorite forms of media (literature, film, TV) so we could judge them as lame or not? I mean that's totally mature, right?

Right?

Queer as Folk, for me, is everything I hate about queer culture. I shudder at the thought of my future children watching old episodes of that garbage and thinking, "That's what life was like for our Dads?"

It was what life was like for some people, but I like the show and it wasn't what life was like for me. What show is?

Sometimes I can put myself in other people's shoes and learn something from them even if my life wasn't exactly the same as theirs. It's something that I thought most mature people could do. Perhaps I was wrong.

 

[asu1117]

Elvin, apparently, doesn't understand the difference between "in denial" and "in the closet", so I long ago gave up trying to respond to him.

You're just pissed that he recognizes your bullshit and calls you out on it.

 

[Lube]

You're just pissed that he recognizes your bullshit and calls you out on it.

No, but being closeted all that time and then acting like Lube does now is pretty funny.

I don't see that at all. But if either of you wants to start a new thread on the topic of being in denial vs being closeted (probably in the Coming Out Forum, where it won't get lost and will be most useful), I'd love to share why I think you're wrong. But let's keep this on topic.

So why do you chastise them for this opinion?

I swear, I really like you, but this post baffled me. You just went off attacking people randomly.

He didn't attack anyone. It was a very well thought out post. He's a very smart, very considerate guy. But again, let's keep this on topic please.

 

[Lube]

I forgot how dramatic the ending of season 1 of QAF was! What a cliffhanger. And how appropriate with what was in the news last June in the American South.

 

[FanofFiction]

What's worth learning from QAF? LOL. It's softcore porn. We're not talking a documentry about third world hardships here.

You're constant attacks on my maturity because I don't like a gay themed television is sad. It speaks volumes of your own maturity dear.

 

[altlover85]

What's worth learning from QAF? LOL. It's softcore porn. We're not talking a documentry about third world hardships here.

You're constant attacks on my maturity because I don't like a gay themed television is sad. It speaks volumes of your own maturity dear.

If you can't see what's worth learning from the show, I can't help convince you otherwise. Maybe you were too focused on the softcore part and not on the storylines.

And I would hardly say I've been constantly attacking your maturity. It's only been one time. And it wasn't because you don't like the show. It was because you (falsey) thought the show was meant to accurately reflect your life when it's actually meant to talk about the issues in the lives of 5 gay men in a particular setting and time in an entertaining and titillating way. You don't have to see every aspect of your life reflected in someone's story to get something out of that person's experiences.

 

[fetaby]

If you can't see what's worth learning from the show, I can't help convince you otherwise. Maybe you were too focused on the softcore part and not on the storylines.

And I would hardly say I've been constantly attacking your maturity. It's only been one time. And it wasn't because you don't like the show. It was because you (falsey) thought the show was meant to accurately reflect your life when it's actually meant to talk about the issues in the lives of 5 gay men in a particular setting and time in an entertaining and titillating way. You don't have to see every aspect of your life reflected in someone's story to get something out of that person's experiences.

Nor does anyone have to participate in viewing of the show at all. We get to watch what we want, learn from what we want, be entertained by what we want.

A theme that seems to be current in the OP's threads is defining the gay experience through media or societal expectations. Many believe those are only his definitions and rebuke his authority.

I'm past caring, my reality may or may not fit in any box thrown out here or there, and I'll be damned if someone is able to put me in one.

But then again, it's internet.

So these shows are supposed required viewing for the gay individual? Eh, they aren't going to work for everyone. But that speaks more to how a person is entertained than how a person operates sexually.

These life lessons that some people seem to think need to picked up, can be picked up from any and everywhere.

But between the two, I'd choose 6fu for the lessons on humanity and emotions, and QAF for the

 

[altlover85]

Nor does anyone have to participate in viewing of the show at all. We get to watch what we want, learn from what we want, be entertained by what we want.

I'm not saying anyone has to watch the show. I'm simply saying it has value for some people.

A theme that seems to be current in the OP's threads is defining the gay experience through media or societal expectations. Many believe those are only his definitions and rebuke his authority.

One would think that these people would decide not to open one of his threads if the threads he writes bother them.

So these shows are supposed required viewing for the gay individual? Eh, they aren't going to work for everyone.

I thought the thread was asking if you think the shows should be required viewing and not saying that they are required viewing.

But that speaks more to how a person is entertained than how a person operates sexually.

These life lessons that some people seem to think need to picked up, can be picked up from any and everywhere.

I agree with you on these two points.

 

[altlover85]

There are some bi guys that are gays in denial. There are also some bi guys that are bisexual. Bisexuality is hard to define and varied.

Regardless, if he pisses you off so much why bother reading his threads? People can make up their own minds about if he is or is not correct.

As I've said before, there are ways to communicate with tact. If you choose not to do that, I can understand why he would ignore you.

 

[DonnieDarko]

I have never seen a full episode of "Six Feet Under", guess never really caught my attention.

"Queer As Folk" on the other hand, (the US version) was entertaining and it helped me to get the stress out of my system (in various ways). I've followed it closely, all seasons, all episodes and at one point I became an addict and was literally sad that it has come to an end.

Sorry for my poor English.
D

 

[altlover85]

Here are some examples of things that sounded nasty to me. They may not be attacks technically, but they were rude.

I have no clue what the fuck you are going about. None of it makes any sense to me.

Me thinks you are full of shit. Take a laxative or eat some raw fiber.

What a load of crap. It's always about the same thing with you.

BTW, this made me laugh out loud: "coming out, accepting yourself, accepting femininity, accepting diversity in the gay community" As if you do.

Maybe because I have a right to an opinion too and I post wherever the hell I want?
And people also have the right to make up their own minds as to what they are instead of someone telling them over and over again who they should be or who a stranger thinks they are.

If someone feels that Lube is incorrect that's fine. He's giving them his perspective on things. That person can take his advice or leave it. I happen to agree with him on some things and disagree with him on others, but I generally take what someone says and evaluate it to see if it makes sense to me. I would hope others would do the same.

 

[altlover85]

It wasn't just the curse words that were rude, but obviously you aren't going to get it, so I'll just stop there.

 

[altlover85]

This is a response to post 94.

Lube grew up and came out in different circumstances than you, I, or some of the other posters attacking him did. I just don't think that you can measure everyone with the same stick.

Sometimes Lube says things I don't agree with, but I think attacking someone about being closeted is a shitty thing to do. You really never know how you would have responded in an environment that was a hell of a lot more antigay than the one we grew up in.

As to your second point, I generally don't post about TV shows if I hate TV shows and generally don't continue to post about specific shows if I'm told they improve with time.

I don't like Grey's Anatomy, but it doesn't mean a doctor might not get something good out of it.

Your third point follows from the second one. I generally don't give opinions about things I know little about. I've found that when I do that I end up looking like an idiot.

I can understand your fourth point, but I still think to pass judgment on the show and say it's vapid and insipd when there is some value to miss the point.

I think QAF is a good show and really can open up people to what it was like to be gay in the beginning of the 21st century. Some of the issues are a lot more applicable to different populations than others, but I think part of the usefulness of media is that you can take the good and leave the bad.

Did you ever want to hookup with a guy at a club before you were legal? Did you ever get pissed off about hate crimes? Did you ever have fears about being a victim? Did you ever know anyone with AIDS? Did your mom have difficulty accepting your bf?

The show covered those issues and even if you thought it was vapid, it doesn't mean it didn't cover those issues or help some people make sense of those issues or show a slice of gay life from the beginning of the 21st century.

I learned about hunger from a book even though I'd never experienced hunger before and thought the book sucked, but I found that I had more empathy for those who experienced hunger.

I think a lot of people that judge the show don't give it a chance and even if they do and find they don't like it, I think they fail to realize that it can be helpful to some people.

I hope this explained my position better. I get sick of people attacking things either out of ignorance or attacking others personally based on the privilege being born 20 years later gives them.