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Question for Jews, Christians, Muslims

SoulSearcher said:
The Torah is only one part of the scriptures that guide Judaism. And it doesn't matter what Christians think of our belief, but what I mentioned about Jesus is what all mainstream Jews believe about Jesus. We don't even need to look at scriptures or anything else, his mere existence as God walking on earth with a penis is against the very basic of the Jewish principle of the indivisibility of God. The Talmud says that if a man claims to be God, he's a liar. The Messiah will also compel all Jews in the way of the Torah, Jebus never even did close to that. His arrival will usher in an era of peace, his followers did exactly the opposite, right from the time of the burning alive of thousands of pagans in the early Christian state to the Holocaust. There's no point in debating this, we will NEVER accept this imposter.
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I know you'll never accept Him; you keep telling yourself the same lies that have been told for centuries.

What I put in red are part of that: the first is an invented lie; it isn't in the Old Testament at all -- and besides, anyone who would "compel" is no God, but a devil. The second is contrasted by other themes in the Old Testament. I've read material from ancient rabbis who noted that according to the Prophets, the Messiah would be persecuted and killed -- but all at once Jews threw that out and re-interpreted the plain sense of their own Scriptures, because the truth pointed to Christ.

Blaming Christ for the Holocaust shows just exactly what a hate-filled, irrational piece of work who doesn't care about facts or truth you are -- that's about as true as saying the Jews brought it on themselves.
 
SoulSearcher said:
The Messiah will not be God who is also God's "son". And no one can EVER change the law (Torah), cannot remove nor add to it, period. No human being can EVER be divine, and confining and limiting the limitless God in the form of a Palestinian Jew with a penis and an unwed mother is blasphemous and evil.
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"Confining"? "Limiting"?

You're talking about the Jewish Scriptures, you know -- that's where the Messiah's birth from a virgin is foretold, after all. It's also where the reality that the Messiah would have to be God and man is set out -- the Messiah is to be goel/gaal, the one who stands between as an equal to both parties and thus brings peace, the kinsman-redeemer of Ruth and elsewhere. He has to be kin to both parties, not just one, or he is nothing but another petitioner with no more claim to a hearing than the rest. And that's just one of the reasons that Messiah has to (had to) also be God.

And that's not "limiting" in any way, it's expanding: God not merely above and separate from His Creation, but stepping from the sidelines into the game, taking on -- which means adding -- createdness. And it isn't any more confining (or limiting) than God restricting Himself to the shekinah glory in the Temple, which only those who ventured into the Holy of Holies ever got to see/encounter/experience. The limited God is the one you're arguing for: one who stays aloof, not really interacting with His people except at a great remove.

That's hardly the God of the Song of Songs, who comes as a lover -- and what lover ever hid in an inner chamber of a stone building and only let anyone peek or the rarest of occasions?

Further, if God could breathe His Spirit into man, so man could be a living soul, then to deny that He could become a man Himself is pettiness. That event argues that God is quite disposed to enter into material creation to take on flesh. The Incarnation by the Holy Spirit in the Virgin Mary is thus nothing but a fulfillment of what began in the Garden, the epitome of immanu-el, God with us, made by those who understand it into one word: Immanuel.
 
Kulindahr said:
More proof you don't care about the truth.

You got a Jewish momma, you're a Jew. Doesn't matter if you decide to go Buddhist or Zoroastrian or anything else -- having that Jewish mother decides it.
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Almost all Jews in Israel disagree with you. These people worship in a church, not a synagogue. The Law of Return treats them the same way we treat Jews who had converted to Christianity.
 
Unclean said:
I am thankful that more voices have joined in this discussion.

But I would beg that, rather than further descending into disagreements over the truth of judaism vs the truth of christianity, the discussion return to the question originally posed -- concerning the law of respect for parents and (not?) for children.
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haha ok ok I agree....but what if the child is the parent and the parent is the child? How odd would that be? :cool:
 
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