Race Riots in America 2016

[MakeDigitalLove]

Thank goodness for refrigeration, or the bodies would hardly be cold yet.

And here it is only two days later, and it's already playtime in this thread.

Seems like Harambe got more respect.

Having a discussion about it doesn't equal not having respect. Unfortunately in America you can't finish a full conversation before the next person is gunned down. If we waited to talk about anything, we'd never be talking because of how much it happens. People are capable of caring about human beings and animals. I know your superiority complex gets in the way of understanding that, but it is true.

 

[Latimer]

"Racist" as a term of opprobrium needs to be retired for a while, along with "fascist". They are too often used indiscriminately, with little thought and even less specificity.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Well, that really goes for a lot of words and I don't think "racist" is a good word to be retired, all it will do is make people feel better who like to pretend that it doesn't exist or it isn't as bad as it is. I think retiring the word would be a part of sweeping issues under the rug. The word can easily be retired if people got their heads out of their ass and stopped judging and hating based on skin color.

 

[Kahaih]

Having a discussion about it doesn't equal not having respect. Unfortunately in America you can't finish a full conversation before the next person is gunned down. If we waited to talk about anything, we'd never be talking because of how much it happens. People are capable of caring about human beings and animals. I know your superiority complex gets in the way of understanding that, but it is true.

What the hell are you rambling on about?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Oh okay, goodbye.

 

[Benvolio]

P.S., it's innocent until proved guilty. It's not guilty unless the cop who killed you concedes you weren't doing anything wrong.

The cops are also innocent until proven guilty of wrongdoing. Presumptions are not much help in evaluating the priblem.

 

[LilBit]

How come we hardly see you?

Work keeps me busy. And I was leading a study abroad program for the month of June, with limited internet access.

 

[Cormac135]

On the back streets of America

They Kill The Dream Of America.

 

[pat grimshaw]

... And I was leading a study abroad program for the month of June, with limited internet access.

You should start a thread about your overseas trip here!

I'm sure it'd be more interesting that the purse-fighting and navel-gazing here.

 

[SaskGuy]

"Racist" as a term of opprobrium needs to be retired for a while, along with "fascist". They are too often used indiscriminately, with little thought and even less specificity.

But calling someone a racist or a fascist is the easiest way to win an argument!

 

[neededsaying]

No, that is the cause of the problem. Blacks do not seem to realize that they are not entitled to resist the police. They resist, someone notices the gun and shots are fire. The two recent shootings both involved black men with guns who convinced the police that they were in danger. We cannot know exactly the timing and what the parties saw, and heard, so it is hard to judge whether they were justified. But in both instances the cops were intending to defend themselves. They knew the suspect had a gun and thought he was going for it.The problem escalates as the snipers convince the cops to watch out and the shootings convince the black men to carry and use guns.

Are you serious with those statements?

 

[Benvolio]

Are you serious with those statements?

The individual killed wrestling on the ground was clearly resisting and he had a gun. I am not saying the shooting was justified, but he should not have resisted and by resisting with gun, the police thought that they were in danger. Many of the shooting incidents which have become public involved resisting. I have the impression that many, and not limited to blacks, think that if they are innocent they are entitle to resist. The Black Lives Matter movement seems to be inspiring more to resist.
The individual sitting in the car was not resisting. But the cop believed that he was in danger and mistakenly thought the other was pulling out his gun.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Are you serious with those statements?

Unfortunately he is.

 

[rareboy]

The individual killed wrestling on the ground was clearly resisting and he had a gun. I am not saying the shooting was justified, but he should not have resisted and by resisting with gun, the police thought that they were in danger. Many of the shooting incidents which have become public involved resisting. I have the impression that many, and not limited to blacks, think that if they are innocent they are entitle to resist. The Black Lives Matter movement seems to be inspiring more to resist.
The individual sitting in the car was not resisting. But the cop believed that he was in danger and mistakenly thought the other was pulling out his gun.

Even you can't bring yourself to lie for the police.

And resisting arrest is not justification for slaughter.

 

[Benvolio]

Even you can't bring yourself to lie for the police.

And resisting arrest is not justification for slaughter.

At some point resisting arrest with a gun justifies deadly force in self defence. It all happens so fast that it is diffcult for those not involved to determine at what point it is justified. The individual is not entitled to resist and the cop is not obligated to wait for the other to shoot first. The cop should not fire without seeing the other gun, but then it may be too late to shoot first. The police procedures no doubt cover this but I have not read what the rules are in the cities involved.

 

[rareboy]

Well you should.

There is no rule that says that police are entitled to slaughter a black man for resisting arrest.

It is not an issue of city procedures.

It is an issue of systemic racism in the United States.



You are just trying to obfuscate and prevaricate here.

 

[Benvolio]

Well you should.

There is no rule that says that police are entitled to slaughter a black man for resisting arrest.

It is not an issue of city procedures.

It is an issue of systemic racism in the United States.



You are just trying to obfuscate and prevaricate here.

You are deliberately trying to confuse the issue. No one said that the police can "slaughter" a suspect for resisting. But when the suspect resists and has a gun, the cop is at some point entitled to defend his life. At that point, race has nothing to do with it. Police departments should and no doubt do provide guidance of when the cop can fire; if he reasonably believes the suspect is going for the gun? When he actually sees the gun and believes it will be fired? Blacks do not have a licence to kill cops. Screeching racism does not begin to solve the problem.
The only sytemic racism in the US is affirmative action.

 

[Latimer]

Are blacks disproportionately involved in police shootings?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...portionately-involved-in-police-shootings.php

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts."--Daniel Patrick Moynihan

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Had to stop reading here

So the percentage of blacks fatally shot by police officers (26%) is almost exactly equal to the percentage of blacks committing violent crimes (24%).

I saw after that the word "liberals" was used so I can already smell the bias here. Regardless of whatever the numbers are, there is a problem where Police target non-white individuals. And the end of the day everyone is so ready to paint black people that run into Police as criminals, right off the bat. No questions ask, ready to call them animals, thugs, etc. Yet at the same time none of these people want to actually offer solutions or recognize the fact as to why a lot of people turn to crime anyway.

We are so quick to point out the problems but very rarely interested in actually looking for solutions.

 

[peeonme]

Even you can't bring yourself to lie for the police.

And resisting arrest is not justification for slaughter.

Are they resisting arrest or resisting physical assault? I have seen too many videos where 3 or more cops pull a black man from a car
or tackle a black man on foot, they are in no hurry to 'cuff him and take him away.
They put their knees into his back, I have seen both hitting and kicking,

http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc.../04/22/floyd-dent-charges-dismissed/26171083/

This is just one case, not the only one.