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Rangel calls Romney a threat to national security

^ Thanks.

I couldn't be arsed to look up the pic of Bush bending over to blow the King.

I don't know why the conservatives keep forgetting that we could dredge up pics of their Good Ole Boy doing the exact same things that they criticize their most hated prince of darkness Obama for.

And where they see weakness, reasonable men see respect and a gesture of peace.

I swear to God that Springer desperately needs to let go of the blinding hatred he seems to have for Obama.
It can't be good for his dyspepsia.
 
^ Thanks.

I couldn't be arsed to look up the pic of Bush bending over to blow the King.

I don't know why the conservatives keep forgetting that we could dredge up pics of their Good Ole Boy doing the exact same things that they criticize their most hated prince of darkness Obama for.

And where they see weakness, reasonable men see respect and a gesture of peace.

I swear to God that Springer desperately needs to let go of the blinding hatred he seems to have for Obama.
It can't be good for his dyspepsia.

I see a game I wish we could get over, but until humans have universal gestures to express these things, we never will -- and even then, we may not have, because it would only be hidden, with the odds good that if we met a humanoid alien race and they didn't do the palm press just right many would say it means they disrespect us . . . .
 
Oh and just to make my point clearer, here is a picture of Reagan meeting with the men that protected Osama Bin Laden in the mideast and what he thought of them.

reagan-taliban.jpg


International diplomacy is the process whereby everyone says things they really don't mean, but uses gestures they all don't like, to convince the other guy that they are willing to play ball on each other's turf, politically.



So if Reagan fully endorsed the Taliban and Romney sought to make his convention very Reagan-esk then by inference Romney will seek to embrace and support the Taliban once elected.

All kidding aside, if after that moment in the white house our political leaders hadn't become myopic and self serving we would have continued to support a budding government in the shape of the Taliban and nothing like Afghanistan would have ever happened. But we were short sighted. Kinda like drawing a line in the sand instead of using sanctions and then reaching a hand out to Iran. Look at Egypt which has since changed BUT it can easily be argued that an equitable balance on each side of a Israeli vs whomever equation can be resolved for decades of peace and prosperity. Imagine a middle east where it was in Iran's best interest to help the region rise instead of as it currently is where they seek strife to embarrass the US.

We have tried beating Iran senseless in ever medium sans direct war; perhaps it is time to take a longer view. You can never do so with any sort of legitimacy if you wake up in the morning next to BB Netenyahu.
 
So if Reagan fully endorsed the Taliban and Romney sought to make his convention very Reagan-esk then by inference Romney will seek to embrace and support the Taliban once elected.

All kidding aside, if after that moment in the white house our political leaders hadn't become myopic and self serving we would have continued to support a budding government in the shape of the Taliban and nothing like Afghanistan would have ever happened. But we were short sighted. Kinda like drawing a line in the sand instead of using sanctions and then reaching a hand out to Iran. Look at Egypt which has since changed BUT it can easily be argued that an equitable balance on each side of a Israeli vs whomever equation can be resolved for decades of peace and prosperity. Imagine a middle east where it was in Iran's best interest to help the region rise instead of as it currently is where they seek strife to embarrass the US.

We have tried beating Iran senseless in ever medium sans direct war; perhaps it is time to take a longer view. You can never do so with any sort of legitimacy if you wake up in the morning next to BB Netenyahu.

sounds like a good plan to me. How's it going to happen? in practical terms, who is going to do that? Who would we put in charge to insure that?

It's not going to be Romney, obviously, and it's not going to be Obama, who get's neither credit nor blame for killing massive quantities of them by remote control.

So where is the miracle going to happen? In Congress? You see that place lately.

I hear you. I understand what you are saying and I agree with you. I also am pragmatic enough to know it will never happen.
 
Actually if you look at the distancing Obama is doing from Israel in the middle east, the massive sanctions that are going to continue to cripple Iran and the world's almost unanimous support for not allowing a Nuclear armed Iran I can see Obama doing it. Especially with a seasoned Hillary Clinton at the helm of foreign policy. He doesn't need congress to do it either although it is looking possible that the house and Senate will be blue if the republicans will just keep talking about their vision until novemeber. Still he doesnt need congress. Something already completed in Iran is the conversion of purified uranium into fuel plates which then cannot be returned to a weapons form. I can see that agreement ... to do what Iran claims it wants and let it make fuel plates, while easing sanctions in payment for a workable, inspect-able agreement for fuel.
 
Hillary is leaving his administration in about four to five months, no matter who wins the election. Kerry is going to replace her, and if Warren loses, she will get Kerry's seat in a replacement appointment/election.

Hillary's people were raising funds on the floor of the DNC for her 2016 presidential bid. She has not decided to run, but the exploratory committee is already in the process of being founded. Not much on the landscape can beat her in a national poll except her husband, and he is not allowed to run anymore.

So Obama would have to do this with a nearly tied senate, with a Kerry Sec of State, and with the house of reps blessing.

The only thing I see as changeable there is who holds the house of reps, and its looking more and more likely that it will be democrats. Pelosi has been out today, selling her wares on television. Warning people that if they Elect Obama, they also need to flip the house of reps or it won't matter. A rather ballsy move on her part. That may show you that if she's right, she's going to be part of the equation as well.

Hows that team looking? ;)
 
^ That reminds me: I'm connected with a group that's dedicated to unseating Tea Party people. Their latest missive says they're increasingly confident they can get rid of either of the ten they've targetted, so they're aiming at two more and hope to make it nine or ten of twelve.
 
Rep. Rangel is a corrupt, discredited politician that is an embarrassment to the Democrat party. There was no need to post his opinion on this sub-forum, BostonPirate. We have plenty of other sources and credible information to criticize Romney on.
 
Rep. Rangel is a corrupt, discredited politician that is an embarrassment to the Democrat party. There was no need to post his opinion on this sub-forum, BostonPirate. We have plenty of other sources and credible information to criticize Romney on.

Thanks for your opinion, Just believe. Follow the click to the article. You will find out he's sort of the teaser ;)

Goodnight gentlemen.
 
reported as off topic in an on topic thread.


Your topic was as it relates to Rangel taking issue with Romney because he questioned the foreign policy of the current administration. The use of the video from Mrs. Clinton simply points of the hypocrisy of the democrats who had no issue discussing Bush's foreign policy. I agreed with Clinton and supported her right to challenge what the administration was doing. Just as I support the right of anybody, including Romney, to challenge this dministrations record on foreign policy. That's just the way America works.
 
A little late to the party for that 'come back' Jack.

Romney is falling apart all over the place and anyone who plans on voting for him and thinks having a much more bellicose administration would be the way to go forward in the middle east. Either A) enjoys watching Americans die or B) was under a rock for the first decade of this century.

Thank God Ronald Reagan and Bush 41 were intelligent enough NOT to get knee deep in the middle east. That intelligence has apparently drained from the republican party.
 
A little late to the party for that 'come back' Jack.

Romney is falling apart all over the place and anyone who plans on voting for him and thinks having a much more bellicose administration would be the way to go forward in the middle east. Either A) enjoys watching Americans die or B) was under a rock for the first decade of this century.

Thank God Ronald Reagan and Bush 41 were intelligent enough NOT to get knee deep in the middle east. That intelligence has apparently drained from the republican party.

pretty sure the current state of the Middle East is at odds with your unbiased POV

actually certain

turn on the news why dontcha

then raise the roof for obama's middle east "let's be friends with our enemies" gambit

not such a success

unless u like murder, fire, protests and threats
 
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