Relationship of Age and Other Factors to Voting Patterns [SPLIT]

[NickCole]

40somethings aren't who I had in mind.

We were talking about the Baby Boom generation.

The boomer generation (named for the post-War baby boom) began with births in 1946 and ends with births in 1964 (because that's when the baby boom ended), which makes the age range for boomers 45-63 this year.

 

[NickCole]

Do you think the 60somethings voted like the 40somethings?

Gimme a break...

Then how are you coming to the conclusions you're coming to? Which statistics are you using, or which information?

Polls categorize people into generations or age groups, like 45-64 or 18-29 year olds. What makes you think 18 year olds vote like 29 year olds? Or any other age spread? How are you determining which statistics to believe and which not to?

Or are you just dealing in "truthiness," what you believe is true because your gut tells you it is?

 

[Lostlover]

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Yes, very well said.



So, you're saying that you hope people over fifty die because you believe they deny your status as an equal person? When I was called a fag by a black kid a few weeks ago in Harlem, how should I have treated him? Should I hate all black kids because it's safe to assume most blacks aren't in favor of gay equality? Where does that madness stop? If one were to adopt your "culling" method, we'd be reduced to a quivering, shaking, fearful, resentful, bitter and fragmented society of paranoids. That doesn't sound like a happy, healthy society, does it?

And again you state that people's feeling on his forum are hurt, and I insist that is not the case. I suspect people wonder about your thinking, but aren't harmed or hurt by it. Most people struggle to wrap their arms around your view.

I enjoy the challenge of changing minds -- I truly do. I don't always, or even often, win outright. Sometimes a seed is planted and sometimes that seeds takes root -- sometimes it doesn't.

As Obama himself said, "if you can change a vote, you can change a city; if you change a city, you can change a state; if you can change a state, you can change a nation; if you can change a nation, you can change the world." But you can't change much by sitting around, wishing people older than fifty would just do their duty and die. That's not a viable political philosophy, that a mentality of resentment and passivity.

I don't think this country is a happy and healthy society. In 2008, the supposedly most liberal state voted in inequality.

Your experience was with that one kid. Emphasis on the words one and kid. Hopefully when he's in his 60s he'd know by then that that's not appropriate language. Hopefully in his 60's he'd know that discrimination isn't conducive to a happy and healthy society.

Obama's statement above is nice. But in terms of actually getting results, I'm not too optimistic.

I don't believe in anyone's killing. Instead I was talking about waiting it out for demographics to work in gays' favor. Do you have an alternative plan to converting people into believers in equality so that you and I can be equal in this country? Waiting it out is probably the most realistic solution to this mess we find ourselves in.

Do you really want to keep your fingers cross and hope people will see the light? Or do you think they'll change their minds before the next vote?

We clearly can't rely on the masses which is why we're taking it to courts to overturn votes. Who wants to win by bribing the refs?

 

[andysayshi]

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I don't believe in anyone's killing. Instead I was talking about waiting it out for demographics to work in gays' favor. Do you have an alternative plan to converting people into believers in equality so that you and I can be equal in this country? Waiting it out is probably the most realistic solution to this mess we find ourselves in.

As I made clear with the statistics above, Prop 8 only won by a margin of 2%. If more people under 65, and especially 18-29 year olds, had bothered to vote, Californians would have the legal right to same sex marriage today. There was no need to wait. There was just need to act.

 

[andysayshi]

^ That's been my point all along!

 

[NickCole]

Why because I can read between the lines? Who's more likely to support gay marriage... a 45 year old or 63 year old?
Everywhere in a time zone may be 6 o'clock but one end see's sunrise an hour later than the other. There is no quantum leap from 44 to 45, or from 63 to 64. The break-even point falls out somewhere in the 50s range, which is consistent with the statistics you provided.

Your take on this is truthiness. And that's not surprising.

The statistics tend to break people into groups like the two polls posted in this thread: 45-64 and 50-64.

Please try to demonstrate again that most people in the US over 50, even in California, would vote in favor of gay marriage.

In the DBR poll posted in the first page of this thread, 53% of the 45-64 age group voted for gay marriage, while a lower 52% of those aged 30-44 voted for gay marriage. And for comparison, the 18-29 age group only voted 55% in favor of gay marriage, which is not very much more than the 45-64 age group did.

There was a much bigger difference between white and black/Hispanic voters. Whites voted 51% for gay marriage while black/Hispanic voted 42/43% in favor.

 

[NickCole]

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Nobody is refuting that. But the truly pro-gay culture is owned by 18-29 year olds. Too bad they don't vote. Shame on the Apathy Party.

Depends on how one defines "truly pro-gay culture."

It's a segregated culture; for instance "that's so gay!" is an acceptable put-down in the culture of that age group.

From what I've seen, from 18 to 65 actual support for gay marriage, rather than lip service, is not widely different.

And as Obama is proving, lip service is not an agent of change.

 

[NickCole]

Re: Obama Nominates Judge Sonia Sotomayor For S.C.O.T.U.S.

Segregated? Hardly! You may have your perceptions, but I actually am 22. The whole "gay" line is overrated. Everyone says it on both sides of the aisle and is hardly disparaging, the people using it don't link "gay" in that context to homosexual. Neither does gay actually doesn't mean homosexual by the way. We stole the term ages ago too. So you see it's all semantics.

First, "gay" does actually mean homosexual, and has for a while now - since before you were born. Open a dictionary.

And second, "that's so gay" is a common insult today. Derogatory. And that you aren't even aware that it's insidiously denigrating to gays says a lot about how little you understand about pro-gay culture and who is forwarding gay rights today and who is not.


That's So Gay: One of many homophobic slurs
http://gayteens.about.com/od/safetytips/a/thatssogay.htm

When Words Can Kill: 'That's So Gay'

Anti-Gay Taunts in School Lead to 11-Year-Old's Suicide and Rising Calls for Change

Since October, GLSEN has aired thousands of public service messages, "Think Before You Speak," to reduce the use of the slur, "That's so gay."

"When you are in elementary school, one of the first things you learn is the feeling of hurt when you are called 'gay' or 'fag,'" said Presgraves. "It doesn't matter if you are gay or straight. The term 'gay' has become synonymous with "uncool."

"The expression 'That's so gay' is one of the most heard in school, and students recognize it as derogatory," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MindMoodNews/story?id=7328091&page=1

 

[NickCole]

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Wait what were you saying? That old people appreciate my sexuality and young people don't?

No. That is not what I'm saying.