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Religion to become "extinct"

I can't imagine religion disappearing any time soon. Two reasons...

LESSER REASON: Humans have a powerful need to explain things that cannot otherwise be explained, and religion is at least somewhat helpful to many people who may try to understand the existence of life, the infinity of time, etc.

BIGGER REASON: Religion is one of the two PERFECT tools for people to use, as an ability to assert their "superiority" over others, and to wield power and control. (The other tool is Government.) Human nature won't give up this sort of thing very easily.
 
Re: Religion may become extinct in nine nations, study says

sokker said:
Lets see here.. 50 % is against the new marriage law, including our second largest (extreme right) political party. A bitch from my town is even suing the state because now here marriage is now less worthy (her words).

I live in the bible belt of Norway, and trust me.. if you asked people here, I'm pretty sure 70 % of the population would be against gay marriage. We have more churches per capita than any other city in the country. And church weddings for gay couples is not legal in Norway yet, but priests can perform "blessings" in the church room for christian gay couples. Anyway, priests can still reserve themselves from performing the blessings. ONE priest in my city.. ONE FUCKING priest has sad yes to performing the blessing for gay couples.. NOBODY else. And this city has hundreds, maybe thousands of priests.only ONE is willing to do it Oslo has like hundreds of priests willing to do this, my city, the second largest city in Norway has ONE.

The conservative parties lead the gallup polls, so I have a feeling they will win the next election in two years. One of these parties is gay friendly and support LGBT rights, but the other one, to the extreme right, is EXTREMELY conservative, and against ANYTHING gay.. against financial support for gay organizations, against teaching about homosexuality in schools, they also said they want to remove the marriage law.

We basically only got the new marriage law because of our current, progressive, socialist government. But they will not last long, because we'll have a conservative government after the next election, and the society is still in general VERY conservative. I still hear about gay people being bashed, even in our more progressive capital. I read a lot of negative comments towards gay people on the internet every day, and I read a lot of articles about discrimination against gay couples, and it seems like people in general agree with these homophobes.

Trust me when I say this: Norway is FAR from as progressive and liberal as we seem. We never would have had that new marriage law if it wasn't for our government.
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If they really think they can repeal gay marriage after the next election they obviously have little understanding of European politics. Such an action would result in a strong case before the European Court of Humans Rights. In Canada (while not a European nation but has many governmental similarities nonetheless), the conservative party took over shortly after gay marriage was legalized. The Prime Minister tried to repeal gay marriage and quickly discovered he couldn't. Even in Spain the candidate for Prime Minister for the People's Party has backtracked on repealing gay marriage.

And where do you get the number that 50% of Norwegians oppose gay marriage? The most recent numbers are in the upper 50's for support of gay marriage.
 
Norway was also the 2nd nation to adopt registered partnerships for gays in 1993, so it actually does seem to be progressive on gay issues. Even the most progressive nations have homophobic idiots.
 
stevengnosis said:
i bet you my left nut the person who wrote this article
hasn't suffered a day of adversity in his entire miserable scientific life,
such a shame most scientist's loose sight of the obvious truth,
making the flesh a tangible reality fails to explain how , why or what brought that existence into being.

we call it having a soul.

think about it.


SteveTheGnosisGiant
neither steve nor a giant
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I was going to post a thought provoking rebuttal to your assertion. But the more I read your post, the faster I realized what a waste it would have been. Instead I will ask you to take just a few seconds to examine the irony of you calling out educated people while using extremely poor grammar.

Think about it...
 
Religion becoming extinct is good news to me!

Thank god I'm an atheist.
 
I'll just type this and then let it go....

If you are a religious person, and don't plan to change, you know that religion isn't going to go "extinct" while you are still alive....

Why is it necessary then to type something like this...
hasn't suffered a day of adversity in his entire miserable scientific life,
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While hardship does have its lessons, not having hardship in no way invalidates this article. That's just silly. BTW, I do believe christians say god is to be the judge of another's life. So as a christian, how do you feel about calling this man's life "miserable". It's not really your place to say is it?
such a shame most scientist's loose sight of the obvious truth
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The search for knowledge is never shameful... It is shameful to discourage seeking knowledge. But that's been the racket from the beginning hasn't it?
 
I always thought from the bad economy more people are turning to Religion. But i guess from all the bashing religious people do and all the money collecting churches do its about time to make it extinct.

But i love Gospel music
 
Humanity has already stopped believing in most of the major religions. Enkidu...gone! Thor....gone! Zeus....gone!

We'll get over the rest of them soon enough.
 
Why isn’t this in the religion section, so it may actually provoke some intelligent dialogue instead of knee-jerk anti-belief bile?

bankside said:
Humanity has already stopped believing in most of the major religions. Enkidu...gone! Thor....gone! Zeus....gone!
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Assyro, Ásatrú, Hellenic. Far from gone.

But you are making the same sad mistake many are, in taking the concept of deity literally. Most Europeans & Westerners can't think outside the Christian-God Box to realize that not all faith works on the same model. In fact, most are far different. But they don't know and don't care to know, so they just lash out at all expressions of faith with all the pent up rage they harbour from being abused by Churches all their lives.
 
BearBoi said:
Why isn’t this in the religion section, so it may actually provoke some intelligent dialogue instead of knee-jerk anti-belief bile?



Assyro, Ásatrú, Hellenic. Far from gone.

But you are making the same sad mistake many are, in taking the concept of deity literally. Most Europeans & Westerners can't think outside the Christian-God Box to realize that not all faith works on the same model. In fact, most are far different. But they don't know and don't care to know, so they just lash out at all expressions of faith with all the pent up rage they harbour from being abused by Churches all their lives.
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The trouble is the self-proclaimed adherents of the remaining religions, not just western ones, who take the concept of deity literally. Do you really think my argument is with unitarians and apolitical deists?
 
Magniloquent-Abstraction said:
Why, instead of pointing out the bile, can't you contribute in spite of that, instead of needing to be protected in that sub forum?
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I’m not a moderator, but it was my impression that the sub-form exists for a reason. It isn’t to be “protected.” Have you ever been there? Lots of lively discussion.

bankside said:
The trouble is the self-proclaimed adherents of the remaining religions, not just western ones, who take the concept of deity literally. Do you really think my argument is with unitarians and apolitical deists?
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You tell me. When people take a broad brush-stroke against Religion and leave it at that, you sweep all views into the same dustbin. That is both a disservice to the concept and a gross generalization of the socio-philosophy of a wide range of people and cultures.
 
BearBoi said:
When people take a broad brush-stroke against Religion and leave it at that, you sweep all views into the same dustbin. That is both a disservice to the concept and a gross generalization of the socio-philosophy of a wide range of people and cultures.
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..| It's often difficult for many anti-religious ideologues to specify what they mean by 'religion.'

More often than not, they are criticizing contemporary fundamentalist American Christianity.

I know, it's a lot to type. :rolleyes:
 
BearBoi said:
I’m not a moderator, but it was my impression that the sub-form exists for a reason. It isn’t to be “protected.” Have you ever been there? Lots of lively discussion.



You tell me. When people take a broad brush-stroke against Religion and leave it at that, you sweep all views into the same dustbin. That is both a disservice to the concept and a gross generalization of the socio-philosophy of a wide range of people and cultures.
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There are a lot of views that belong in the dustbin. I don't really see a particular need to value many of these "socio-philosophies" of which you speak. However you take a broad brush-stroke against many philosophies by defending religion in terms of the eminent sensibility of non-literalist religions; what about all the literalists? Shouldn't we be defending them too? Nah. I think not.
 
bankside said:
There are a lot of views that belong in the dustbin. I don't really see a particular need to value many of these "socio-philosophies" of which you speak. However you take a broad brush-stroke against many philosophies by defending religion in terms of the eminent sensibility of non-literalist religions; what about all the literalists? Shouldn't we be defending them too? Nah. I think not.
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Just because you designate a certain belief as one that "belongs in the dustbin," it doesn't really matter. There are millions of people that maintain that your belief belongs in the dustbin, and you in hell. Honestly, it comes down to basic beliefs that are necessary for a functioning society; you need some system to keep you moral and often to keep you from being depressed and suicidal. Whether that system be religion, independent beliefs, or atheism... no one can claim that they are inherently correct. One can only look at their ethic system and use it to judge the actions of themselves and others.

Not that ethical systems and religions are the same thing, they just often go together.
 
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