Remarks by the President on Common-Sense Gun Safety Reform

[Kulindahr]

"If we can prevent a child from opening a bottle of aspirin, we can stop a child from pulling the trigger of a gun."

We have phones that unlock themselves with a fingerprint. Pressure sensors lock the gun when you lift your finger. It's cheap and easy to produce. There are even smart watches and rings that can track your gun, making it useless to anyone but the owner.

That was one of the better lines, about the bottle of aspirin.

Of course, the problem is that no disciplined gun owner would leave a gun where a child can get at it. Failure to keep one's guns out of unsafe hands is not a mark of a well-regulated militia! There should be a law, under a new Militia Act, providing severe penalties for negligence in gun security when it leads to severe harm or death.

Making a gun useless to "anyone but the owner" would be foolish; even the police know that. Better, as one department chief argued, would be guns keyed to his entire department. In non-police application, that would mean allowing multiple individuals being keyed to a single gun, such as all members of a family, all members of a certain club, etc.

The biggest technical objection to such an approach is that the item which identifies an authorized user can be stolen. Given current progress in medical technology, it won't be difficult in a few years to make an incision and implant said item under the skin.

The biggest practical issue would be that any of the systems currently being attempted would also increase the price of each firearm by hundreds of dollars. Guns for protection are already too expensive for most people who need or want one.

 

[Benvolio]

When a baby is aborted the law provides for prosecution. There are so few actual cases of that no one bothers.

I know that the neocon agenda began with a prescription to lie for the people's own good, but that particular evil agenda is as dangerous as when Plato first proposed it. Even if our leaders qualified as philosophers, Plato makes clear that no philosopher can lie and continue to see the truth, so the proposition carries the seeds of its own corruption. Calling the result of most abortions "babies" is an effective lie, but it is still a lie.

Conservatives are supposed to treasure truth. Thus, we see that you are no conservative.

Bullshit. It is not a lie to call it a baby, it is an opinion. In common usage people often propose bhaving a baby and describe a pregnant woman as having a baby. We all know whar is happening and you cannot change the substance by changing the words.

 

[TX-Beau]

Bullshit. It is not a lie to call it a baby, it is an opinion. In common usage people often propose bhaving a baby and describe a pregnant woman as having a baby. We all know whar is happening and you cannot change the substance by changing the words.

Neither can you.

 

[TX-Beau]

...Of course, the problem is that no disciplined gun owner would leave a gun where a child can get at it. Failure to keep one's guns out of unsafe hands is not a mark of a well-regulated militia! There should be a law, under a new Militia Act, providing severe penalties for negligence in gun security when it leads to severe harm or death...

Of course the problem is that people are people an you have no idea who's "responsible" and who isn't. Taking a gun safety class doesn't make you responsible, there is no way to keep tabs on gun owners to keep them responsible, who wants to pay for gun police to enforce the responsibility statute?

Come on.

 

[rareboy]

Neither can you.

Well said.

Benvolio is so typical of the uneducated right wingers who don't hold with all that scienc-y stuff.

They just know what is right because they say it is so. Like evolution being hokum. Or gestational biology not being real because, you know... religion.

Some people say they are expecting a visit from the stork, but I wouldn't use that as the standard for science any more than I would accept someone saying they were having a baby.

They are pregnant. Nothing more, nothing less. At some point, the foetus becomes a viable human being capable of surviving outside the womb with or without supports.

At that point, it is a baby.

 

[Benvolio]

Well said.

Benvolio is so typical of the uneducated right wingers who don't hold with all that scienc-y stuff.

They just know what is right because they say it is so. Like evolution being hokum. Or gestational biology not being real because, you know... religion.

Some people say they are expecting a visit from the stork, but I wouldn't use that as the standard for science any more than I would accept someone saying they were having a baby.

They are pregnant. Nothing more, nothing less. At some point, the foetus becomes a viable human being capable of surviving outside the womb with or without supports.

At that point, it is a baby.

Whether it should be killed or not is not a question of science. It starts with one cell and, barring mishap, it will become an adult. Liberals believe that is we just apply the right word at the right time then it is fine to kill it. We disagree. Nor is it a matter of religion for all people who disagree with you. All but sociopaths agree that at some point it is wrong to kill it. Liberals think that their opinion is controlling because of the word that they use. They don't care about the effect on the individual or upon society as a whole. Some racist liberals of course favor abortion as a means to destroy the white majority, replacing it with a hodgepodge.

 

[Kabluey]

Whether it should be killed or not is not a question of science. It starts with one cell and, barring mishap, it will become an adult. Liberals believe that is we just apply the right word at the right time then it is fine to kill it. We disagree. Nor is it a matter of religion for all people who disagree with you. All but sociopaths agree that at some point it is wrong to kill it. Liberals think that their opinion is controlling because of the word that they use. They don't care about the effect on the individual or upon society as a whole. Some racist liberals of course favor abortion as a means to destroy the white majority, replacing it with a hodgepodge.

Can you get back on topic.
The topic is gun control, not the rants of the mildly insane racist conspiracy theorists. Are you off your meds?

So much concern about fetuses, no care at all about reducing death for anyone else.

 

[Benvolio]

YOU LIE. This is another one of your many many many bold-face lies you spew on this forum. Factually YOU were the first person in this thread to question the tears--see your own post #4 above. YOU ARE PATHETIC. LIES LIES and more damn LIES.

You lie. Nycguydowntown mentioned his crying in #2.

 

[BenDan]

The sincerity or lack thereof of the presidents tears is a legitimate question in this thread, first raised by others.

no it's not a legitimate question

what "others" joined in ?

The Fox and Friends morons ?

or was it this guy ?

James F. Tracy, 50, a tenured associate professor of communications at the Boca Raton university, has repeatedly called into question the authenticity of recent mass shootings, including the slaying of churchgoers in Charleston, S.C., and office workers in San Bernardino, Calif. In his blog postings and radio interviews, Mr. Tracy has said the Newtown massacre may have been carried out by “crisis actors” employed by the Obama administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/07/u...st-doubt-on-mass-shootings-is-fired.html?_r=0

You are the company you keep you know

 

[jbrown329]

Sounds like the dear Prof. sucks Alex Jones' dick.

 

[Zu-Mendel]

"If we can prevent a child from opening a bottle of aspirin, we can stop a child from pulling the trigger of a gun."

We have phones that unlock themselves with a fingerprint. Pressure sensors lock the gun when you lift your finger. It's cheap and easy to produce. There are even smart watches and rings that can track your gun, making it useless to anyone but the owner.

Have you ever fired a pistol chambered in a self defense cartridge before? Slam your phone on the ground over and over, then see how effectively your fingerprint scanner works. Reliable biometrics in firearms is the holy grail of law enforcement service pistols; the first person who patents this kind of tech will see their great grandkids never working a day in their lives.

"Smartguns" are like an HIV vaccine, the first person/company to discover it would be so fucking rich that conspiracy theories are utterly irrational.

 

[Kabluey]

The sincerity or lack thereof of the presidents tears is a legitimate question in this thread, first raised by others.

You lie. Nycguydowntown mentioned his crying in #2.

You're lying.
The tears were mentioned in post 2, but only you questioned their sincerity in post 4.

Why are you so untrustworthy on these things? The problem with these kinds of debates is a fundamental lack of honesty on the part of those who resist a tightening of laws for the good of all.

 

[Benvolio]

You're lying.
The tears were mentioned in post 2, but only you questioned their sincerity in post 4.

Why are you so untrustworthy on these things? The problem with these kinds of debates is a fundamental lack of honesty on the part of those who resist a tightening of laws for the good of all.

Look again. Nycguydowntown both mentioned the cry and and said that Obama was real, sincere and heartfelt, thus placing, as I said, "The sincerity or lack thereof" in the discussion first. You liberals cannot tolerate dissent. You claim that Obamas speech and tears were sincere and get upset when someone disagrees.

 

[Kabluey]

Look again. Nycguydowntown both mentioned the cry and and said that Obama was real, sincere and heartfelt, thus placing, as I said, "The sincerity or lack thereof" in the discussion first. You liberals cannot tolerate dissent. You claim that Obamas speech and tears were sincere and get upset when someone disagrees.

Don't be disingenuous, the question of that sincerity was raised by you and you alone.

Dissent is one thing, dishonesty another.

 

[Benvolio]

Don't be disingenuous, the question of that sincerity was raised by you and you alone.

Dissent is one thing, dishonesty another.

You are being dishonest. Nycguy specifically said obama was sincere.

 

[Kabluey]

You are being dishonest. Nycguy specifically said obama was sincere.

And you were the first to question it.
At least own what you say. Really a lawyer?

As above though, we see Obama's challenge when it comes to debating things like gun laws. Rational arguments are met with passionate but insubstantial opposition.

 

[rareboy]

^ The only reason that he raised it it that it was immediately a FOX and right wing-nut meme about how Obama's tears weren't genuine....or that they weren't enough...or that he should have been crying over other shit.

Benvolio only spouts what the Breitbarf/Murdoch/Limbaugh machine grinds out for the ops to spread on bulletin boards.

Losers all.

 

[Benvolio]

^ The only reason that he raised it it that it was immediately a FOX and right wing-nut meme about how Obama's tears weren't genuine....or that they weren't enough...or that he should have been crying over other shit.

Benvolio only spouts what the Breitbarf/Murdoch/Limbaugh machine grinds out for the ops to spread on bulletin boards.

Losers all.

No i do not......

 

[rareboy]

Yes.

You do.

Listening to the bimbo bobbleheads on Faux...they were spouting the same toxic nonsense as you about the President tearing up over the slew of senseless gun deaths over the years he has been President.

 

[Benvolio]

Yes.

You do.

Listening to the bimbo bobbleheads on Faux...they were spouting the same toxic nonsense as you about the President tearing up over the slew of senseless gun deaths over the years he has been President.

You warch Fox, i do not.