Remarks by the President on Common-Sense Gun Safety Reform

[jbrown329]

This is both stupid and telling at the same time.

Target shooting is just practise in order to hurt or kill a living creature.

Feelings of security because you can kill or wound a person directly supports the contention that the only use for a gun is to kill or wound a living creature.

Skeet shooting is practice for duck hunting. I have no problem with hunting/hunters. But if they're trophy hunting, I'm completely against it. I was taught that you eat what you kill (exceptions made for squirrels, rock/wood chucks and such).

When I was a teenager, I did do target practice. I was honing my shooting skills for deer/elk hunting. I no longer hunt and have no desire to do so. I gave my hunting rifles to my brother because I no longer have a use for them.

 

[andysayshi]

That's the one.

And I was all ready to carry out my brilliant plan!

This CDC report is rather disappointing. It doesn't actually contain any new information, but simply rehashes stats that are already known from older studies - stuff that you and I have debated many times in the past.

In summary, the CDC report said very little about DGU, and made no useful recommendations for the further study of DGU in America. Accurately knowing the incidence of DGU in America is important for formulating effective gun policy in America. More research is needed to accurate know the incidence of DGU, and our national law enforcement agencies should be asked to directly count DGU and report on the yearly occurrence of DGU, as gunshot injuries are counted and reported yearly.

Note that there hasn't been an extensive study into Defensive Gun Use for decades. Several US Senators (who unsurprisingly receive huge campaign donations from the NRA) have consistently blocked bills that have sought to fund more comprehensive gun studies.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/2...to-keep-funding-ban-for-gun-violence-research

 

[Kulindahr]

This is both stupid and telling at the same time.

An apt description of your post.

Target shooting is just practise in order to hurt or kill a living creature.

No, it's engaging in the exercise of placing a projectile in the desired place. It's your fantasy that the only reason to do that is "to hurt or kill a living creature".

Feelings of security because you can kill or wound a person directly supports the contention that the only use for a gun is to kill or wound a living creature.

No, because hurting or killing as defensive gun use is a lie invented by the irrational. Even the low end of researched figures has a defensive gun use of nearly one per second in the U.S. -- but only rarely do those involve actually harming or killing.

The fact that anti-gun liberals are so scared of guns shows their most effective use: criminals are even more scared, because whereas liberals fear a theoretical possibility, criminals fear actual armed citizens.

 

[Kulindahr]

There's nothing useful about target shooting or clay pigeons.
And feelings are only that.
There is no other usefulness.

Really? You'd have to discuss that with my previous psychiatrist, who shot regularly and recommended target shooting as therapy.

It's interesting that kids are told that playing sports builds character -- shooting is a sport, and it builds character as well.

 

[Kulindahr]

I know, and this is one of the silliest arguments I've ever heard, your gun is useless for all the "purposes" described if it isn't inherently dangerous.

I mentioned the "inherently dangerous" bit to a former special forces officer here. He said anyone who thinks that way is a fool, because as was drilled into them, there are no dangerous objects, only dangerous people. He pointed out that garden rakes are really more "inherently dangerous" than guns, because falling on a garden rake can get you in the emergency room, but falling on a gun can only bruise you.

 

[andysayshi]

The NRA has made the news in Australia today with their hilarious video release:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/bans...ustralias-gun-laws-again-20160121-gmb7iw.html

Take a look at the YouTube comments to get an idea of the intellect that supports the NRA.

 

[andysayshi]

Can't help but remind people of this, as a result. John Oliver's three part series on Australian gun laws. Do watch all three episodes if you can.

 

[rareboy]

^ John Oliver's piece was incredible.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

I mentioned the "inherently dangerous" bit to a former special forces officer here. He said anyone who thinks that way is a fool, because as was drilled into them, there are no dangerous objects, only dangerous people. He pointed out that garden rakes are really more "inherently dangerous" than guns, because falling on a garden rake can get you in the emergency room, but falling on a gun can only bruise you.

He sounds like an idiot cause apparently a gun can kill a young girl when it is just sitting under a pillow.

 

[Kabluey]

Really? You'd have to discuss that with my previous psychiatrist, who shot regularly and recommended target shooting as therapy.

It's interesting that kids are told that playing sports builds character -- shooting is a sport, and it builds character as well.

Oh, well if your psychiatrist recommends you have a gun...

 

[TX-Beau]

I mentioned the "inherently dangerous" bit to a former special forces officer here. He said anyone who thinks that way is a fool, because as was drilled into them, there are no dangerous objects, only dangerous people. He pointed out that garden rakes are really more "inherently dangerous" than guns, because falling on a garden rake can get you in the emergency room, but falling on a gun can only bruise you.

Then I worry for the state of our armed forces, and that is a stupid stupid analogy.

 

[Kabluey]

Then I worry for the state of our armed forces, and that is a stupid stupid analogy.

Just shot the neighbour with a garden rake...

How many garden rake injuries are there? Actually, to be honest, if there was any garden tool that caused as many deaths as guns do, there'd probably be a recall...

 

[kev]

So I just hopped in here and, disclaimer, I have not read every post. I will say that the only thing that I know about the speech is what I have read here, as I could not watch it; I am all out of my ondansetron.

Having said that, President Obama is a lying sack of shit, so, I could see how he could make himself cry for the cameras. He is certainly hypocritical (given the abortion issue), I suppose, but that is not the point.

If he really cared about these children, then he would be advocating for the opposite...to arm teachers in the classrooms. That would stop a shooter quickly; particularly the ones who get firearms legally, or illegally.

 

[TX-Beau]

So I just hopped in here and, disclaimer, I have not read every post. I will say that the only thing that I know about the speech is what I have read here, as I could not watch it; I am all out of my ondansetron.

Having said that, President Obama is a lying sack of shit, so, I could see how he could make himself cry for the cameras. He is certainly hypocritical (given the abortion issue), I suppose, but that is not the point.

If he really cared about these children, then he would be advocating for the opposite...to arm teachers in the classrooms. That would stop a shooter quickly; particularly the ones who get firearms legally, or illegally.

ARM THE SCHOOLTEACHERS!!

Fuck that, ARM THE 8 YEAR OLDS!!!!

right.

How else can one get guns that isn't legally or illegally? I'm intrigued.

 

[kev]

This is what they call a straw man argument.

Arm the adults...give them gun safety lessons and target practice.

The number one thing that prevents mass shootings is armed people willing to shoot back.

 

[TX-Beau]

This is what they call a straw man argument.

Arm the adults...give them gun safety lessons and target practice.

The number one thing that prevents mass shootings is armed people willing to shoot back.

Blah blah blah, that is what's called a knee jerk reaction in a puerile attempt to look like a bad-ass.

 

[T-Rexx]

The number one thing that prevents mass shootings is armed people willing to shoot back.

Why is it, then, that the country with the most armed citizens in the world is also the country with the most mass shootings?

 

[andysayshi]

This is what they call a straw man argument.

Arm the adults...give them gun safety lessons and target practice.

The number one thing that prevents mass shootings is armed people willing to shoot back.

I'd love you to substantiate that claim.

The reality is that, according to the FBI, about 10 mass shootings in the past 10 years have been stopped by an armed civilian. Far more have been stopped by unarmed civilians - the Gabby Gifford shooting, for instance. The only armed civilian at that shooting later confessed that he very nearly shot the man who tackled the gunman.

 

[andysayshi]

Interestingly, gun advocates often claim that drugs, gang violence and criminals are the reason the US has such a high gun death rate.

But they're wrong. According to the FBI's 2014 report, gun homicides are broken down as follows:

Drug trafficking - 298 deaths
Gang violence - 667 deaths
Arguments not during the commission of a felony - 1,759 deaths

That's right. The primary cause of gun homicides in the US is people arguing. US citizens are far more likely to be shot by a spouse, friend, family member or neighbour than they are by a criminal.

 

[andysayshi]

So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the country. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the War of Independence to Iraq.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604