Remarks by the President on Common-Sense Gun Safety Reform

[kallipolis]

Arguments not during the commission of a felony - 1,759 deaths

That's right. The primary cause of gun homicides in the US is people arguing. US citizens are far more likely to be shot by a spouse, friend, family member or neighbour than they are by a criminal.

Noteworthy........

 

[Kabluey]

This is what they call a straw man argument.

Arm the adults...give them gun safety lessons and target practice.

The number one thing that prevents mass shootings is armed people willing to shoot back.

The USA has the highest number of armed people willing to shoot back in the developed world
- and the highest number of mass shootings, overall gun deaths and homicides.

Hmmmmm... maybe... just maybe, you're wrong?

 

[rareboy]

The USA has the highest number of armed people willing to shoot back in the developed world
- and the highest number of mass shootings, overall gun deaths and homicides.

Hmmmmm... maybe... just maybe, you're wrong?

How about 'Hilariously Wrong'.

Or 'Idiotically Wrong'.

Either works.

 

[Benvolio]

The USA has the highest number of armed people willing to shoot back in the developed world
- and the highest number of mass shootings, overall gun deaths and homicides.

Hmmmmm... maybe... just maybe, you're wrong?

Being the most populous developed country we have the most of every thing in the developed world.

 

[rareboy]

Yeah we know. You are proud of the murder rate.

Congratulations.

 

[andysayshi]

Being the most populous developed country we have the most of every thing in the developed world.

We're not just talking about the highest numbers. We're talking about the highest PERCENTAGES, by a factor of several hundred percent in most comparisons.

Other than the enormous cache of guns in the hands of the general populace, what other factors make US citizens 3-10 times more likely to be shot by a gun? Other developed nations have drugs, gangs, criminals, domestic violence, etc. But gun advocates refuse to see the link between prevalence of guns and prevalence of gun crime.

 

[Benvolio]

We're not just talking about the highest numbers. We're talking about the highest PERCENTAGES, by a factor of several hundred percent in most comparisons.

Other than the enormous cache of guns in the hands of the general populace, what other factors make US citizens 3-10 times more likely to be shot by a gun? Other developed nations have drugs, gangs, criminals, domestic violence, etc. But gun advocates refuse to see the link between prevalence of guns and prevalence of gun crime.

Good question, and here is a good answer. This is an Austrian discussion of the question:https://mises.org/blog/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries

 

[opinterph]

Good question, and here is a good answer. This is an Austrian discussion of the question …

Interesting how Mr. McMaken espouses the clinging to “bizarre xenophobic views” as the primary basis for his argument.

 

[TX-Beau]

Being the most populous developed country we have the most of every thing in the developed world.

Well, except ya know, health care, edumacation, oversight, democracy...

 

[jbrown329]

Good question, and here is a good answer. This is an Austrian discussion of the question:https://mises.org/blog/mistake-only-comparing-us-murder-rates-developed-countries

Mises? Xenophobic and worse.

The Ludwig von Mises Institute, founded in 1982 by Llewellyn Rockwell Jr. and still headed by him, is a major center promoting libertarian political theory and the Austrian School of free market economics, pioneered by the late economist Ludwig von Mises. It publishes seven journals, has printed more than 100 books, and offers scholarships, prizes, conferences and a major library at its Auburn, Ala., offices.

It also promotes a type of Darwinian view of society in which elites are seen as natural and any intervention by the government on behalf of social justice is destructive. The institute seems nostalgic for the days when, "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority [were] likely to be passed on within a few noble families."
SPLC

 

[Kulindahr]

The NRA has made the news in Australia today with their hilarious video release:

http://www.smh.com.au/national/bans...ustralias-gun-laws-again-20160121-gmb7iw.html

Take a look at the YouTube comments to get an idea of the intellect that supports the NRA.

The article containing that video confirms that what the video says is 100% true.

 

[Kulindahr]

He sounds like an idiot cause apparently a gun can kill a young girl when it is just sitting under a pillow.

No such thing has ever happened.

 

[Kulindahr]

Just shot the neighbour with a garden rake...

How many garden rake injuries are there? Actually, to be honest, if there was any garden tool that caused as many deaths as guns do, there'd probably be a recall...

How many injuries are there from people falling on guns? or stepping on them?

"Inherently dangerous" means that just sitting there, the object is dangerous. So a hot stove is more inherently dangerous than a gun.

 

[Kulindahr]

This is what they call a straw man argument.

Arm the adults...give them gun safety lessons and target practice.

The number one thing that prevents mass shootings is armed people willing to shoot back.

No, it's irrational hysteria, the standard emotional (and lying) reaction by anti-gunners.

The fact of the matter is that the U.S. has more guns every year, and the number of guns does not at all correlate with the rate of violent crime. As shown by graphs here, the US is also more violent regardless of guns -- except that it isn't the U.S., it's a couple of dozen counties, all run by liberals BTW.

 

[Kulindahr]

Interestingly, gun advocates often claim that drugs, gang violence and criminals are the reason the US has such a high gun death rate.

But they're wrong. According to the FBI's 2014 report, gun homicides are broken down as follows:

Drug trafficking - 298 deaths
Gang violence - 667 deaths
Arguments not during the commission of a felony - 1,759 deaths

That's right. The primary cause of gun homicides in the US is people arguing. US citizens are far more likely to be shot by a spouse, friend, family member or neighbour than they are by a criminal.

U.S. citizens who live outside just a couple of dozen counties are less likely than almost anyone to get shot at all, whether a criminal or someone they know.


BTW, I'm not that confident of your figures; I read recently that 70%+ of all killing are by criminals, so I suspect that a large protion of that 1,759 is criminals getting into arguments.

 

[Kulindahr]

We're not just talking about the highest numbers. We're talking about the highest PERCENTAGES, by a factor of several hundred percent in most comparisons.

Other than the enormous cache of guns in the hands of the general populace, what other factors make US citizens 3-10 times more likely to be shot by a gun? Other developed nations have drugs, gangs, criminals, domestic violence, etc. But gun advocates refuse to see the link between prevalence of guns and prevalence of gun crime.

There is no link unless you smear out the numbers to cover the whole nation. The areas with the highest gun deaths correlate strongly with the areas of lowest gun ownership per capita, and the strongest laws making it hard to get guns. That says that the prevalence of guns is NOT a major factor in the prevalence of gun crime.

Why is it that there is more gun crime where there are fewer guns per capita? And why is it that the great majority of said crime is within the borders of just a couple of dozen counties?

There's another correlation that I haven't seen hard and fast figures on, just reports: that there is more gun crime in areas where people tend not to have enough to eat. Another: there is more gun crime in areas where the schools are lousy.

I suspect that violent crime, guns or otherwise, is related to the fact that thanks to our creeping corporatism in the U.S., many people living in conditions of want and crowded together with little hope is a far, far more important factor than just about anything else.

 

[Kulindahr]

Mises? Xenophobic and worse.

The Ludwig von Mises Institute, founded in 1982 by Llewellyn Rockwell Jr. and still headed by him, is a major center promoting libertarian political theory and the Austrian School of free market economics, pioneered by the late economist Ludwig von Mises. It publishes seven journals, has printed more than 100 books, and offers scholarships, prizes, conferences and a major library at its Auburn, Ala., offices.

It also promotes a type of Darwinian view of society in which elites are seen as natural and any intervention by the government on behalf of social justice is destructive. The institute seems nostalgic for the days when, "because of selective mating, marriage, and the laws of civil and genetic inheritance, positions of natural authority [were] likely to be passed on within a few noble families."
SPLC

Yeah. To my fellow libertarians, I bluntly call it the "Von Misers Institute", because it advocates the economics of Ebeneezer Scrooge.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

No such thing has ever happened.

You are right, I was incorrect. It wasn't a young girl it was a boy.

 

[Kulindahr]

You are right, I was incorrect. It wasn't a young girl it was a boy.

And the pistol just fired itself, of course.

 

[andysayshi]

The article containing that video confirms that what the video says is 100% true.

No dispute there.

In Australia, semi-auto and auto weapons were banned for most users, and as a result Australian gun deaths, including suicide, homicide and accidental, dropped dramatically. And, to date, there has never been another mass shooting in Australia.