Remarks by the President on Common-Sense Gun Safety Reform

[Benvolio]

Coloring all of northern Nevada dark blue--a high rate area--because of two deaths is misleading.

 

[T-Rexx]

These data are very interesting.

If the south and west have higher rates of gun ownership to correlate with their higher rates of gun death, the data make perfect sense.

Unfortunately, Congress does not allow us to study this issue, so we can only speculate.

Coloring all of northern Nevada dark blue--a high rate area--because of two deaths is misleading.

It's not "two" deaths. It's probably twenty or two hundred. Regardless, it is the rate which is at issue, not total numbers.

 

[andysayshi]

Coloring all of northern Nevada dark blue--a high rate area--because of two deaths is misleading.

Dark blue is a relatively low rate area.

It's not misleading. It's an accurate representation of the death rate in that county.

This discussion reminds me of an old Talking Heads song:

Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to

 

[T-Rexx]

It's not "two" deaths. It's probably twenty or two hundred.

I just looked up the population of northern Nevada. It is far more rural than I had guessed. Some (enormous) counties there have fewer than 2,000 people!

If you sum up the populations of Humbolt, Elko, Pershing, Churchill, Lander, Eureka, and White Pine counties (about 60% of the land area of Nevada), you have only 114, 768 people! Two gun deaths in that region would put it into the medium to light blue portion of the map, which is about right for the first map.

So, maybe there were only two deaths total there.

Regardless, it is the rate which is at issue, not total numbers.

 

[andysayshi]

Facebook has announced it will no longer facilitate private gun sales.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/en...us_56abef66e4b00b033aaf3a29?section=australia

For instance, you can buy automatic weapons without a permit, guns with their serial numbers filed off, and weapons that may be prohibited by your state’s laws. If you’re under 18, you can buy a handgun, which federal law prohibits.

On Tuesday, a VentureBeat reporter and his colleague spent less than 15 minutes arranging to buy a semiautomatic 7 mm rifle and 90 rounds of ammunition from a guy named “Dave,” a member of Facebook “Firearms Only Alamogordo” fan page.

 

[Benvolio]

I just looked up the population of northern Nevada. It is far more rural than I had guessed. Some (enormous) counties there have fewer than 2,000 people!

If you sum up the populations of Humbolt, Elko, Pershing, Churchill, Lander, Eureka, and White Pine counties (about 60% of the land area of Nevada), you have only 114, 768 people! Two gun deaths in that region would put it into the medium to light blue portion of the map, which is about right for the first map.

So, maybe there were only two deaths total there.

Yes, but the map is misleading in seeming to show a lot of deaths in some areas, fewer in others.

 

[rareboy]

^ Are you totally clueless when it comes to understanding the concept of death rates?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

Facebook has announced it will no longer facilitate private gun sales.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/en...us_56abef66e4b00b033aaf3a29?section=australia

It's nice to see when our own Government won't do it.

 

[rareboy]

It’s Christmastime in America, and Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the largest seller of guns in the country, is ready for any Santa list. At the Las Vegas store, a middle-aged woman talks with a cashier to clear her background check and purchase a child-sized Crickett 22 long rifle, which comes in black and pink for $114 in a box emblazoned: “My First Rifle.” In her cart is a blowup camouflage-clad Santa Claus.

Walmart has been a bit of a leader in pushing for more responsible gun sales......I am waiting to see what their decision last year to not sell assault weapons or 'modern' hunting rifles will mean to their total guns and ammo sales.

And what the spike for 2015 looks like as the gun industry profited from the multiple mass shootings.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...and-santa-claus-it-s-christmastime-in-america

 

[Benvolio]

^ Are you totally clueless when it comes to understanding the concept of death rates?

Are you unfamiliar with the difference between correct and misleading?

 

[rareboy]

There's nothing misleading at all.

As someone with a long background in demographics and rates of disease and deaths....it is all as clear and simple as it can be.

It is simply about the rate.

So if I have a town of 1000 where 2 people are killed (or die) by a certain cause every year ...and a town of 10,000 where 10 people are killed (or die) of the same certain cause every year...I sure as hell we be looking for trends and causes....particularly if it is a sustained trend.

Totally simple. Totally straightforward.

 

[Benvolio]

Areas with little population look like dark red high crime areas, while high crime states appear to be low crime.

 

[rareboy]

^ So. You admit that you have no clue what you are looking at then.

It is a map.

Not showing crime.

It shows the number of gun deaths per 100,000 people. It is even in the title of the map.

It is no wonder that you grab the wrong end of the stick on so many issues if you can't grasp something as simple as this map.

 

[andysayshi]

Areas with little population look like dark red high crime areas, while high crime states appear to be low crime.

Sigh. Can't decide whether this is frustrating or hilarious. A bit of both, I guess.

 

[Benvolio]

Sigh. Can't decide whether this is frustrating or hilarious. A bit of both, I guess.

You might consider contributing instead of just trolling.

 

[kallipolis]

Areas with little population look like dark red high crime areas, while high crime states appear to be low crime.

Would you care to rephrase this post, that I may better appreciate what you are attempting to say?

 

[Kabluey]

Would you care to rephrase this post, that I may better appreciate what you are attempting to say?

He prefers to believe that white people don't shoot each other in small towns to a disproportionate degree.

 

[kallipolis]

He prefers to believe that white people don't shoot each other in small towns to a disproportionate degree.

A tragic reality.

 

[rareboy]

You might consider contributing instead of just trolling.

 

[Benvolio]

Would you care to rephrase this post, that I may better appreciate what you are attempting to say?

We are discussing the map at#164. Areas with high shooting death rates are dark red;those with lower rates are blue. Yet, every sparsely inhabited deserts and forests of the west, including Nevada are dark red while Chicago , Manhattan, Los Angeles and other high crime areas are blue. Apparently this is because it shows deaths per hundred thousand.AND it carves out large areas with a hundred thousand; then one or two death will result in a high "rate". So while it may be technically accurate, it tars some no-crime areas with a dark brush, making it appear that some counties with no deaths have high rates of shootings, which they do not. It should have been done county by county, so that counties with no shooting would be light blue or white, while counties with shootings would be colored to reflect its shootings. So T Rexx perversely gloates that all those Republican counties with little and often, no crime, appear to have high rates of shooting, while the high crime democrat areas appear to have low rates. Illinois--indeed, Chicago itself---has more shootings that all of Nevada, but the reverse appears to be true from the map.