Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona Shot

[Críostóir]

It's sad that this is just going to come down to the blame game. Which is all it's going to end up being to most people anyway. 6 people are dead, 1 being a 9 year old and another in the Hospital. But that's ok once we know where to point our fingers.

In this case we can't fix the problem without fixing the blame.

We can't have crazy people being able to get guns. That means FUCK YOU, NRA.

 

[BostonPirate]

it wont happen. You will never get guns out of america and frankly its a discussion we have been having as a nation for as long as I have been alive and its gotten tiresome.

It just wont ever happen. You would need to ammend the constitution and get the states to sign off on that.

the deep south and the mid western states wont ever do it.

Everything that CAN be done HAS been done. The problem isn't legal guns, although in this case it seems to have been.

The problem is that illegal guns are just as easy to get as the legal ones.

 

[metta]

from The View:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSsyi6B-14o[/ame]

 

[Críostóir]

I'd love to see Sarah Fucking Asshole Palin tell the parents of Christina Taylor Green that's it's not her fault.

I fucking hate that woman.

 

[Críostóir]

The WBC really are the fucking scum of the Earth.

I'd like to lock them in a room with Sarah Palin.

 

[jizzeater]

You guys know you'd go absolutely ape shit if this happened to a Republican.

It did happen to a Republican...Ronald Reagan and his press secretary James Brady. I don't recall Republicans trying to make political hay from it, claiming John Hinckley Jr. was a politically-motivated assassin. He was just a nut obsessed with Jodie Foster.

 

[BostonPirate]

It did happen to a Republican...Ronald Reagan and his press secretary James Brady. I don't recall Republicans trying to make political hay from it, claiming John Hinckley Jr. was a politically-motivated assassin. He was just a nut obsessed with Jodie Foster.

did any democrats distribute signs with crosshairs on Reagans house and say reload?

Did any democrat of that era tell people to prepare for second amendment remedies if they were not elected during a campaign?

thats just scratching the surface

 

[fetaby]

It did happen to a Republican...Ronald Reagan and his press secretary James Brady. I don't recall Republicans trying to make political hay from it, claiming John Hinckley Jr. was a politically-motivated assassin. He was just a nut obsessed with Jodie Foster.

Reagan had his name and state on a graphic with crosshairs?

This is the first assassination I've been old enough to know. Too young for the attempt on Reagan, or the killings of JFK, and MLK. I understand they all caused waves of one sort or another, but their deaths came as complete shocks to the nation. With this attack, I was shocked but not surprised. The political field of today seems it could devolve into a bare knuckle brawl or a fight to the death. 2man enter, 1man leave!!!

 

[jizzeater]

You're all jumping to the conclusion that this has to do with politics. I don't know how you know that. How do you know he's even aware of that Palin ad? Loughlin apparently had contact with Giffords going back to 2007. For all we know, this could be an obssession, if there's a rational motivation at all.

You're all trying to shoehorn this incident into your running narrative about violent racist "Tea Baggers". It's deplorable.

 

[fetaby]

You're all jumping to the conclusion that this has to do with politics. I don't know how you know that. How do you know he's even aware of that Palin ad? Loughlin apparently had contact with Giffords going back to 2007. For all we know, this could be an obssession, if there's a rational motivation at all.

You're all trying to shoehorn this incident into your running narrative about violent racist "Tea Baggers". It's deplorable.

Even if this guy didn't see the graphic, the fact that the graphic exists is a powerful statement on the affairs of American politics. The nature of the Gifford's career makes this political, and his contact with her all the way back to '07 means he was of a political slant as well.

I'm not of a political slant and I even saw the graphic prior to this incident.

Unauthorized violence is deplorable. If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[BostonPirate]

You're all jumping to the conclusion that this has to do with politics. I don't know how you know that. How do you know he's even aware of that Palin ad? Loughlin apparently had contact with Giffords going back to 2007. For all we know, this could be an obssession, if there's a rational motivation at all.

You're all trying to shoehorn this incident into your running narrative about violent racist "Tea Baggers". It's deplorable.

you're spending alot of energy defending

just consider that

 

[jizzeater]

The first evidence of what authorities say were a gunman's plans to kill U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords emerged Sunday, when the FBI reported finding an envelope in the suspect's house with handwriting that said: "I planned ahead" and "My assassination."

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FBI Special Agent Tony Taylor wrote that a letter from Giffords was found in the safe of Loughner's home and that it thanked him for attending one of her "Congress on Your Corner" events in 2007 at a Tucson shopping mall. Also found in the safe was the handwritten envelope with what appeared to be Loughner's signature.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/artic...rielle-giffords-arizona-shooting-charges.html

2007 predates the Tea Party and that Palin ad, so I'm led to believe this has nothing to do with either of those things.

you're spending alot of energy defending

just consider that

Not nearly as much time as you've spent pointing fingers.

 

[BostonPirate]

he knew her AAALLLL that time

so what was the trigger exactly? hmm????

ALL that time stewing in his insanity and rage. What precisely set him off at this point in time?

 

[jizzeater]

he knew her AAALLLL that time

so what was the trigger exactly? hmm????

ALL that time stewing in his insanity and rage. What precisely set him off at this point in time?

Good question! I, for one, am not going to try to pretend to know what set him off. I sure as hell am not going to start placing blame when I don't know, either.

 

[BostonPirate]

good for you

 

[Sha-Rok]

good for you

.....LMFAO!

 

[JackJrzy]

There are crazy people about. Always have been. Often, a political figure will be killed.

 

[metta]

Democrats on Palins ‘crosshair’ map received death threats


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/democrats-palins-crosshair-map-received-death-threats/

 

[frankfrank]

How do you know he's even aware of that Palin ad? Loughlin apparently had contact with Giffords going back to 2007. For all we know, this could be an obssession

The Palin ad was so public and so prevalent that I would find it VERY hard to imagine that he wasn't exposed to it. Even if it wasn't that ad, he certainly couldn't have avoided the "Second Amendment Remedies" suggestions from one state over. His demented mind no doubt tied together what looks like an obsession, with "second amendment remedies" or whatever. How about the "If ballots don't work, bullets will" comment?

It did happen to a Republican...Ronald Reagan and his press secretary James Brady.

Which was, of course, the namesake for the "Brady Bill" that got passed in the 1980's. But back in those days, neither the Republicans nor the Democrats were rife with the batshit-crazy rhetoric which has dominated political discourse since "that n....r" (as some of the same people surely say in private) got elected. To some of these deranged people, ALL Democrats and liberals are therefore "n....r lovers" and, in these people's minds, using whatever rhetoric may result in harm or fear for "liberals" and such, is justified.

I was around in the Sixties, too. As somebody commented in another thread, the ugly rhetoric in those days was coming from the lefties. Trying to compare 21st Century rhetoric to then, I believe it's far worse in recent years than in the Sixties. In the 1960's there were NO MEDIA OUTLETS which were cheering this mindset on, encouraging the discourse to become more and more violent and reckless. In the 2000's I can name plenty of media who have consistently cheered these ideas on.

Somebody doesn't HAVE TO be a "right-wing fanatic" to be exposed to this ugly rhetoric...ALL of us heard it, even those of us who figuratively live in caves.

2007 predates the Tea Party and that Palin ad, so I'm led to believe this has nothing to do with either of those things.

True it's 2007 which predates the other stuff, but the 2007 interaction was only the beginning, and other events and influences after 2007 (which may or may not include being influenced by all this horrific rhetoric) finally came together, and culminated in what happened Saturday.