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Republican vs. Democrat

"Fiscally Conservative/Socially Liberal"

WTF does Fiscally Conservative even mean? Does it mean that they conserve money or what? From the way the Bush adminstration has handeld the nation's money, it seems to me that it's the opposite of what conserving something is.

People from the left wing who absolutely hate me for my political affiliation, and feel my sexual orientation compounds that. One party has shown it is tollerable, the other has shown me that it will only tollerate me if I agree with it. The latter is the Democratic Party.

I'll be the first to admit that yes, I do beleive being a gay republican is a contridiction and just not computing with me. But I do want to point out that it's the liberals that majorly support gay rights and marriage, as well as most moderates.
How is the Republican part more tolerable of gay people anyway? Most republicans out there are so vocal against gays that it's hard to understand why someone whose gay would agree with them, much less make excuses about their bigotry.
 
But virtually every Democrat I encounter who discovers my affiliation and my orientation are either disgusted with me, or angry with me. Republicans who know are never anything but accepting.

Well I'm sorry you've been in those situations, but many liberals would agree with me when they say that they do not agree with the Log Cabin Republicans because of their lack to do anything within the GOP. They don't necessarly hate gay republicans, but we just don't understand why you would vote for them.

Anyway I have'nt had any good encounters with Republicans. I almost got into a fight with one at a arts festival because I had my "Worst President Ever" shirt, not to mention I had a rainbow flag on it. He called me and I quote a "Sand nigger faggot bitch" and told me to go back to Iraq, porably because of my brown skin and dark hair. I'm not even Arabic and I so offended. Almost got into a brawl and the guy of course looked like a neo-nazi. Ever since then my tolerance for Republicans have dispersed and I'll never forget that shit ever.:mad:

Yes I know republicans are'nt like that but I can't agree on anything with a conservative. Never.
 
Most politicians suck regardless of what party they represent, few of them actually give a fuck about who they represent. However I am more liberal leaning so I am more likely to vote Democrat.
 
so in your eyes, instead of taking a small risk with an unknown like kerry, it's better to vote for someone you know for a fact starts wars based on lies and who has killed tens of thousands of people as a result, lets his personal religious beliefs guide foreign and domestic policy in direct violation of the constitution you republicans claim to worship, had increased domestic spending to record levels again in direct violation of every tenent that republicans have held for the last 100years (and that is even discounting military spending)...do i need to go on? i am so sick of hearing that at least bush believes in something!!! if i told you to get in a car with me so we could drive off a cliff together because god told me to do it and i believe that to be true you would have me commited and yet you willingly follow the coke sniffing drunk in the oval office...perhaps his brains have been fried by years of partying and he's hallucinating folks...time to wake up!

and oh yeah...lest i forget, he thinks you are a second class citizen not entitled to the same rights as him cause you like dick.

you'll have to forgive my delayed response. i forgot to subscribe to this thread and didn't check back. so, let's begin.

1. I dont think he started a war based on lies. Misinformation, yes. It's not like Bush, on his own, suddenly decided that there were WMDs. He has HUNDREDS, if not thousands, of people whose sole job it is to find out if there are WMDs. There are many, many steps along the way to declaring a war, so apparently there must have been a few people who agreed with him, on BOTH sides.

2. He didn't kill thousands of people, soldiers did. Democratic soldiers and Republican soldiers. Soldiers who, if they weren't prepared to die for their country, should not have enlisted.

3.Um, yeah, you must have skipped the part where i said i WASN'T a republican. I don't know "every tenent that republicans have held for the last 100years," and i don't particularly care. Also, you might have it a bit backwards here; Democrats are the ones who worship the constitution. Ya know, civil rights and all that jazz? As in, the reason why people aren't allowed to kill us for being gay (you know, like they can in other countries?). So yeah, I am a fan of the constitution, but I attribute that to my Democratic beliefs.

4. Most of this country thinks I am a second class citizen for being gay. It's just a fact of my life. Progress takes time. If you can't wait it out, go to another country.

5. It's not a "small risk" to vote for someone without defined beliefs. Without defined beliefs, they can be swayed by anyone to do anything. Kerry NEVER came out in support of homosexuality. Maybe he secretly hates it and wants it completely gone, and would then enact laws were he elected. At least we KNOW Bush isn't a fan. But we also know there is not much he is willing to do about it.

Finally, it's easy to talk shit without having to back it up. Yeah, Clinton was a good President overall, (my Favorite, actually, thus the support for Hillary Rodham Clinton) but he never had to face 9/11, or an economy in a slump. In fact, there is evidence that he did in fact receive information about possible al quaeda attacks and did nothing. So, maybe the dems taking over office will be an amazing turnaround. Or maybe, in 5 years, we will be having a similar discussion with the tables turned.
 
Un-Huh. Oh, I'll just bet my life that you're for Hillary. And you think Kerry's a pansy, and you think Bush is a badass. And you "lean" Democratic, too, huh? Gosh. "Must be one of them exaggerations," as Bush once slurred.

You call John Kerry a "pansy," which is amusing, considering Kerry's service in Vietnam and his awards. You call Bush a "badass." Um, and where on earth was Bush during his desertership? And how much cocaine was he doing? And who got him out of serving in Vietnam and out of military prison for deserting from the Air National Guard?

You chose a butcher instead of a baker. Look at the damage that freak of nature has caused! I reject your claim that Kerry "had no clear ideas." Health care for all, modernizing our government, ending the war in Iraq, fighting the war on terrorists with everything we have, canceling Bush's tax welfare for the wealthy and restoring sanity to the budget, increasing the size of the military. These are ALL GREAT IDEAS. That you didn't see them tells me that you weren't looking, but most Republicans don't really care about the facts, they just want to win. You won, America lost. Congratulations.

as for you, general alfie:

1. Yeah. I am for Hillary. I honestly couldn't care less if you believed me. That's not the point of this thread; I was just providing background information to give context to my opinions. Because, well, that's what educated people do. If you don't know my background, you don't know what my views mean.

2. Bush/Badass, Kerry/Pansy. If Kerry panders to everyone, then clearly he just wants popularity. A good president should not strive for popularity; he should become popular for his actions. Yes, Bush failed, and is thus not popular. But at least he was trying for himself and not for the popularity of the people. To me, a badass is not someone who fights in a war. A badass is someone who is willing to go against the grain. You can't deny he did.

3. Who gives a shit if he did cocine in his youth? what, you have never made a mistake? i guess yours wasn't in the news so it's not as bad? god, get over yourself.

4. A Baker cannot lead a country. Period. (And Hillary is SO the butcher and not the baker)

5."Health care for all, modernizing our government, ending the war in Iraq, fighting the war on terrorists with everything we have, canceling Bush's tax welfare for the wealthy and restoring sanity to the budget, increasing the size of the military. These are ALL GREAT IDEAS." Yeah, they are. But they are yours, not his. You think I wasn't informed? I went into that election with every intention of voting for Kerry. I would tell everyone that they should consider voting for him. But as time passed, as debates came and went, he NEVER said anything. He tried so fucking hard to remain neutral that his balls must have shrivelled and fallen off. And ending the war in Iraq? HA! Easy to say. Everyone wanted to end it, including Bush himself. But did Kerry actually lay out a plan? no. he called for Bush to do so, but he never came up with his own. All he wanted to do was be the Anti-Bush. I want my President to stand for more than that.

6. God I'm tired of writing about this. We aren't even on opposite sides but you so desperately want to fight and belittle me. You want to think I am an uninformed idiot. I'm not. I'm smart. I'm informed. And I made a choice. No one is ever liberal enough for the liberals; no one is ever conservative enough for the conservatives. Truth is, neither extreme is correct. The path is going to be somewhere in the middle. So stop hating everybody and do something productive. Find solutions for everyone, solutions that can be agreed upon as a middle ground. The whole point of living in this country is finding a middle ground for ALL to be happy. I'm happy that I'm in a state of mind where i can say that I am going to be making a choice in two years. You won't be making a choice. You already decided, and you don't even know the contenders. Maybe I won't end up voting for Hillary in the end. But at least I will have CHOSEN not to, unlike many other people.
 
Damn JordyY! Don't get so pissed because that is all alpo thrives on...it is his intention.

However the point are well made.
 
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