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Rick Santorum’s Anti-College Rant

Of course Santorum is anti-education. Republicans generally are.

Highly educated people tend to vote for Democrats.
 
T-Rexx said:
Of course Santorum is anti-education. Republicans generally are.

Highly educated people tend to vote for Democrats.
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Amen. The whole point of No Child Left Behind has been to create a nation of imbiciles. It's working. ](*,)
We don't need none of dat buk larnin! :help:

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GiancarloC said:
LostLover, you asked before to another if their minor was listed on their diploma... and I'll answer myself... no. That is why a double minor was essentially a waste of time at least for me. I don't know why I did it. Maybe I should have done a double major instead. But hey it's the past. I have a Master's Degree now... so no use in talking about my B.A.
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Just so you know, double majors are also not listed on the diploma. Only one of the two majors will be indicated.
 
My best friend went to a County government operated trade school, vocational ed for carpentry. This was paid by his employer at the time. He was making very little money back then. Upon graduating things changed.
While he can't write or read well he commands a healthy steady paycheck of about 35 dollars a hr & decent benefits in heavy concrete construction currently. Which I dare say is more than many 4 yr degree white collar people will ever see on a pay day.

Another close friend went to a public works school and trained as a waste water treatment operator. The jobs are plentiful as long as people flush toilets and take showers. Relocation for a better job is not a hindrance if you want to move from the suburbs of Washington DC to San Diego or Portland.
A accountant can be history in a budget cut but someone will be making sure the sewer water moves to its destination and we are all much more in debt to them over their service then a accountant. He is making $25 a hr with decent time off, rough schedule sometimes, and sweet benefits.

These are a couple or real examples of what I thought this thread was about.

Odd, I find myself siding with those I usually disagree with even Santorum.
 
That truly is playing on or thinking that the electorate in the south are just a bunch of ignorant cows.


Genius.
 
JB3 said:
No. Depends on the college/university. Both of my sisters double-majored, and they each have both of them listed on their diploma. At my college they made you choose.
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I remember at OSU my understanding was that listing one major was free, listing the second cost like five bucks. So I didn't think it was universal.

Now I'm wondering what a guy I knew there who got two degrees, each with a double major, had.... two diplomas, I presume.
 
Two degrees and each with a dbl major.... jeebus... was he graduating at 50... lol :lol:

The degree process in America is a fucking money machine not a measure of education.

Don't take what I am saying out of context either. I believe everyone should have some aspects of a college degree BUT so many school are set up just to make money off the production of degrees.

I had the ability to earn a double major and the degree were so similar that there was only four classes different. Yet the college decided to earn the second degree I must take 6 more classes in whatever I want as long as I paid them.

I still plan on pursuing my doctorate when I retire here in a couple years. I want to teach or maybe just part time teach at the collegiate level. We'll see ...
 
JayHawk said:
Two degrees and each with a dbl major.... jeebus... was he graduating at 50... lol :lol:

The degree process in America is a fucking money machine not a measure of education.

Don't take what I am saying out of context either. I believe everyone should have some aspects of a college degree BUT so many school are set up just to make money off the production of degrees.

I had the ability to earn a double major and the degree were so similar that there was only four classes different. Yet the college decided to earn the second degree I must take 6 more classes in whatever I want as long as I paid them.

I still plan on pursuing my doctorate when I retire here in a couple years. I want to teach or maybe just part time teach at the collegiate level. We'll see ...
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The hard sciences, by which I mean where there are lab experiments behind results, don't lend themselves to being part of degree mills.

The guy's two degrees with on the "hard" side -- electrical engineering and computer engineering. He wanted to stay another year and finish a degree in math, too, but a company he'd interned for made him an offer too good to pas up -- but they agreed to pay for him to finish that third degree, for which he had enough campus time he could do it via the web.

As for your additional 6 hours for a second degree, don't blame the school -- the accrediting agencies require a minimum number of hours per degree, partly on the theory that work must be shown, partly on the idea that a university should keep broadening your horizons. The double-degree guy I mentioned took as many of his other credits as possible in physical education -- he did ballroom dance, advanced swimming, fencing, golf, canoeing, bowling, volleyball.... Then he filled in others with computer programming, because he could just about do that in his sleep and could get A's with little effort, allowing him to concentrate on the real coursework.

There was a guy who tried to double-degree in civil engineering and nuclear engineering, who was thinking of giving up on the nuc one because the pace was wearing him out and his dad wouldn't help him with another year of university.

Then there was the 13-y.o. I met in the basement library computer lab one evening -- he caught my attention because he was using three computers at once, for three different subjects at once. :eek: He planned to graduate at 18 with five degrees!
 
Kulindahr said:
The hard sciences, by which I mean where there are lab experiments behind results, don't lend themselves to being part of degree mills.

The guy's two degrees with on the "hard" side -- electrical engineering and computer engineering. He wanted to stay another year and finish a degree in math, too, but a company he'd interned for made him an offer too good to pas up -- but they agreed to pay for him to finish that third degree, for which he had enough campus time he could do it via the web.

As for your additional 6 hours for a second degree, don't blame the school -- the accrediting agencies require a minimum number of hours per degree, partly on the theory that work must be shown, partly on the idea that a university should keep broadening your horizons. The double-degree guy I mentioned took as many of his other credits as possible in physical education -- he did ballroom dance, advanced swimming, fencing, golf, canoeing, bowling, volleyball.... Then he filled in others with computer programming, because he could just about do that in his sleep and could get A's with little effort, allowing him to concentrate on the real coursework.

There was a guy who tried to double-degree in civil engineering and nuclear engineering, who was thinking of giving up on the nuc one because the pace was wearing him out and his dad wouldn't help him with another year of university.

Then there was the 13-y.o. I met in the basement library computer lab one evening -- he caught my attention because he was using three computers at once, for three different subjects at once. :eek: He planned to graduate at 18 with five degrees!
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Not six hours SIX CLASSES or rather 18 credit hours. The six I would have to go get ANYTHING to accomplish were already covered by my similar degree. In other words I had met the accreditation requirement for knowledge to earn the degree with the exception of four classes. In other words yet again I was taking the four additional classes that did not correspond to my original degree. The college had a policy that you must have 10 lasses or 30 credit hours per degree yet they would easily let you use the basic requirements met.

Seems like they just want the cost associated with six classes or eighteen credit hours NOT that they are in anyway interested in knowledge required to say you have mastered a subject.

And science degrees can be purchased as well. Ask anybody who was a Nuclear Engineer in the Navy... they pay a fee and get a degree.
 
JayHawk said:
Not six hours SIX CLASSES or rather 18 credit hours. The six I would have to go get ANYTHING to accomplish were already covered by my similar degree. In other words I had met the accreditation requirement for knowledge to earn the degree with the exception of four classes. In other words yet again I was taking the four additional classes that did not correspond to my original degree. The college had a policy that you must have 10 lasses or 30 credit hours per degree yet they would easily let you use the basic requirements met.

Seems like they just want the cost associated with six classes or eighteen credit hours NOT that they are in anyway interested in knowledge required to say you have mastered a subject.

And science degrees can be purchased as well. Ask anybody who was a Nuclear Engineer in the Navy... they pay a fee and get a degree.
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It's the accreditation agencies that put the requirements on the universities. The universities may appreciate the money, but they aren't making the decision on credit hours.

It does get crazy when your majors/degrees are close enough you use up all the relevant classes. OSU dealt with that problem by developing "extended study" classes, where a student could pick a class he'd had but was interested in deeper study, and work out a program with a professor. The groundbreakers have the burden of building a special course, but the course outlines and all get filed and can be used by other students. One I know a guy did was an extension of statics -- he and his professor wrote a course covering the statics of stone architecture without mortar.
Another option was to find a course at a different school that could be taken by mail or internet.
 
Quite honestly, I remotely agree just a bit. I see WAY too many students on campus who don't even want to be there. I understand that a lot of students attend college because "they have to" as their parents say, but a college education/degree is supposed to be as precious of a resource as diamonds/oil/etc. but I see too many kids in college who JUST DON'T WANT TO be there. What happens when you have too much of a precious resource? It is no longer precious, and because most parents and society tell their that they children MUST go to college is wrong because it corrupts the rest of the system think about it.

Take for example this kid who sat behind me in my marketing class; NO intentions to have any meaningful career and he has not a single career goal set in life other than "to become a professional skater and earn millions" If he wants to do that, then why is he dragging his feet to "earn" a business degree? Then too many students attain a degree and the job market becomes less and less competitive. "Why is that?" you ask. Because since A LOT of students come out with degrees in which they don't even use, a college degree will carry a lot less weight, and makes it look easier to just go through the basics.

And the students who DO have something to offer with THEIR degrees? Well they aren't looked at, because HEY everybody else has a degree so what makes you any different? And they end up being unemployed when they're searching for a job, and in many scenarios would-unfortunately-having to collect unemployment insurance benefits. And the students who attained a degree for what they didn't care for and don't utilize it for the intended career path? They file for bankruptcy from the loans, and the government picks up the tab.

To sum it up, I believe it's great that students go to college, but they should ONLY GO TO COLLEGE IF THEY WANT TO, not because they have to. Making a college degree more common than it has to be is VERY dangerous and would lead society into a rut much like America today.

I know the majority of others would disagree with me on this and call me some form of a pessimist/cynic, but unfortunately, that's what happens.
 
GiancarloC said:
LostLover, you asked before to another if their minor was listed on their diploma... and I'll answer myself... no. That is why a double minor was essentially a waste of time at least for me. I don't know why I did it. Maybe I should have done a double major instead. But hey it's the past. I have a Master's Degree now... so no use in talking about my B.A.
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Wow! They don't even list your minors on your degree? How are you to confirm you have those minors (other than transcripts of course)?

Again, why get a minor? I accidentally, almost got one and there are actually people out there that go out of their way to get a minor? I took some hardcore Spanish courses only to be told I needed a lightweight Spanish Poetry class to get a Spanish minor. This sounds like a scam.

My cousin is a ditz and goes to Stanford. She's a psych major with a Spanish and Poli Sci minors... Get this: she's trying to become a CIA agent.

She swears up and down that those minors mean something.
 
SpeedDemonNYC said:
Quite honestly, I remotely agree just a bit. I see WAY too many students on campus who don't even want to be there. I understand that a lot of students attend college because "they have to" as their parents say, but a college education/degree is supposed to be as precious of a resource as diamonds/oil/etc. but I see too many kids in college who JUST DON'T WANT TO be there. What happens when you have too much of a precious resource? It is no longer precious, and because most parents and society tell their that they children MUST go to college is wrong because it corrupts the rest of the system think about it.

Take for example this kid who sat behind me in my marketing class; NO intentions to have any meaningful career and he has not a single career goal set in life other than "to become a professional skater and earn millions" If he wants to do that, then why is he dragging his feet to "earn" a business degree? Then too many students attain a degree and the job market becomes less and less competitive. "Why is that?" you ask. Because since A LOT of students come out with degrees in which they don't even use, a college degree will carry a lot less weight, and makes it look easier to just go through the basics.

And the students who DO have something to offer with THEIR degrees? Well they aren't looked at, because HEY everybody else has a degree so what makes you any different? And they end up being unemployed when they're searching for a job, and in many scenarios would-unfortunately-having to collect unemployment insurance benefits. And the students who attained a degree for what they didn't care for and don't utilize it for the intended career path? They file for bankruptcy from the loans, and the government picks up the tab.

To sum it up, I believe it's great that students go to college, but they should ONLY GO TO COLLEGE IF THEY WANT TO, not because they have to. Making a college degree more common than it has to be is VERY dangerous and would lead society into a rut much like America today.

I know the majority of others would disagree with me on this and call me some form of a pessimist/cynic, but unfortunately, that's what happens.
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You are speaking the truth. I saw so many walking zombies: students who were there for reasons other than wanting to advance their prospects. My roommate Freshmen year was there mainly because his parents saved up money for his education; so he was obligated to use their money wisely. :rolleyes:

I'm totally against going to a university just to go to a university. You can make big bucks as a mechanic or plumber or any other blue collar profession if you do it right.

I see so many people who buy the line, "Education is the key to the future," hook, line and sinker. I remember in high school being told that all you need was a high school diploma to make big bucks. And that employers look at your attendance in high school.

I believed everything that I was told. Such bullshit. I have my current job from my internship in graduate school. They never asked for my GPA. They just liked me on a personal level, that's it.
 
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