Right-wing forums and homosexuality

[NickCole]

I can't believe the comments of posters in these threads. I've never seen such caustic bile being leveled against the LGBT community.

Great, more whining because somebody said something you don't like or that hurt your feelings. This might be more compelling if you didn't, yourself, write your own brand of denigrating remarks to and about people.

Freedom of speech works both ways and if you get to say what you want then everybody else does too. Somehow you'll have to find the strength to bear up under the equity of that.

As recently as the early 1970s gays got harassed and entrapped by police, thrown in jail, publicly humiliated, jobs lost, family and friends abandoning, lives ruined. We have come so far so quickly. Appreciate that. And appreciate that the greatness of free speech means all voices can be heard, even the ones you don't like.

 

[Jack Springer]

I guess I missed out getting the book on how I was supposed to act, think, believe, promote, talk, write, etc.

Would you please send me a copy? I don't want to run the risk of having a personal thought or opinion.

 

[LoveIsNow]

That "Ten Arguments Against Same-Sex Marriage" was interesting. I couldn't find the arguments, just bullshit.

 

[sixthson]

Um, you don't like what they say in right wing forums, but you read them. You don't like what NickCole (your fellow democrat) says, so you put him on ignore. At least be consistent. Nick did not attack you, but he might have challenged your thinking. A mature person could handle that.

It's simple, really. Right wing forums express the views of those on the right. They happen to be the opposite of your views because you are not one of them. Stick to the left wing forums if it upsets you so much.

Remember the motto here at CE&P: Strong opinions expressed here. Not for the faint of heart.
If you only want the opinions of those who agree with you, you probably shouldn't post here.

 

[Sausy]

I think it has to do with Jockboy taking a barometer of just how vile the hatred is on the right wing sites.Not whining or not being able to take other opinions.Hell,I disagree vehemently with him at times but characterizations of his thinking here have been really unfair.We should keep sunlight on what these dark minded bigots think....keep our friends close and our enemies closer.Not detour into petty squabbles that don't offer any enlightenment but lots of needless bitchiness.

 

[Kulindahr]

There's an old maxim that's true of all forms of combat, not just the battlefield:

Know your enemy.

It's good from time to time to actually read some of what's being written, lest we make the same mistake those on the right-wing forums do: only listening to those who agree with us.

Denigrating this as "whining" is childish -- unless one wants to jump in and denigrate threads where successes are cheered, too. If we can't look at what our opponents say if looking at that is a bad thing, then we'd better not look at what our friends say, either; it would be just as bad.

 

[construct]

Thanks, Jockboy, for your calling our attention to this caustic bile. I suppose it is good to remind of us of just how extreme both the conservative and the Republican rhetoric is.

 

[Kulindahr]

Reading through all that brought one thing to mind more than once:

If they're so convinced that marriage is from God, why haven't they campaigned to get it removed from the realm of Caesar, i.e. government?





Oh -- that's right; consistency isn't required....

 

[Kulindahr]

That actually did come up through the course of one of the discussions, but it was not taken seriously. I conclude that it tends to be a bipartisan agreement that it would not be a good idea to do that.

Like I said, consistency isn't required.

The only reason for not doing it is in order to keep religion's hold on government.

 

[bike10]

To me the right right wing attack on gays goes back to days when the GOP had commies and reds to attack. For years the GOP made hay with the fear of commies. They were under the bed in the closet and out to get us. Fear and more fear from likes of McCarthy.

Today we are bad guys. The right sees the gay agenda we are make your sons and boys gay.

They see us nothing more then sex addicts we suck and fuck 24/7 365 days a years.

Gays are US citizens we pay taxes and are here today will be here tomorrow.

 

[iman]

Um, you don't like what they say in right wing forums, but you read them. You don't like what NickCole (your fellow democrat) says, so you put him on ignore. At least be consistent. Nick did not attack you, but he might have challenged your thinking. A mature person could handle that.

It's simple, really. Right wing forums express the views of those on the right. They happen to be the opposite of your views because you are not one of them. Stick to the left wing forums if it upsets you so much.

Remember the motto here at CE&P: Strong opinions expressed here. Not for the faint of heart.
If you only want the opinions of those who agree with you, you probably shouldn't post here.

Oh, this really makes sense. Attack someone for expressing a strong opinion because they can't stand strong opinions and then advise them not read anything they might disagree with. (classic conservative view as exploited by FOX)

One would think that folks in a gay forum would be anxious to distance themselves from the bigotry, lies and hatred expressed in the quoted material, but instead several conservative posters predictably attack the op and dismiss this right wing bile as "strong opinon" and invoke the First Amendment.

Wasn't it Lincoln that defined the hypocrite as the man who murders his parents and then pleads for mercy because he is an orphan.

Thirty years ago the conservative's were warning of the dangers of "race mixing" and the "Black Menance", well that racial hatred also caused many of us to "whine" and have "hurt feelings", but I'm glad we exposed it and fought it. Keep it up JockBoy, your the one on the right side of history.

"A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy" - Disraeli

 

[White Eagle]

I liked this part:

One way or another, they will fight back, whether it be striking it down like we have healthcare, boycotting the schools by homeschooling our own, or even forming our own independent nation.

I would help them move.

 

[Kulindahr]

I liked this part:



I would help them move.

Can I have one of their houses when they're gone?

 

[NickCole]

For a year we've had a Democratic majority Congress and a President who says he's our "fierce advocate," but his DOJ defended DOMA and DADT remains in effect.

If our elected fierce advocates don't fight for gay rights when they have that much power, that's something to be legitimately concerned about because if they don't advance our rights nobody will.

Adversaries saying mean things is not something to be concerned about, and getting upset over it is kindergarten behavior. Part of growing up is developing a sense of proportion. Sticks and stones.

If Obama doesn't start leading Democrats in a better direction, these people who are saying mean things will be in power in DC and then you'll legitimately have something to be concerned about.

 

[Red Storm]

Props to " Americanwoman" she is spot on with her comments in that forum.

 

[Red Storm]

She is conservative for sure I looked at her other posts.

I want to give her a special thanks for sticking up for us, but I don't think I'd last long in that place. They ban liberals there.

She made it clear she is a conservative but not extreme right. And someone else towards the end stuck up for us as well.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I can't believe the comments of posters in these threads. I've never seen such caustic bile being leveled against the LGBT community. Can you say you are surprised?


A few common findings:


*Faith in God.
*Moral absolutes.
*Special treatment.
*Gays are disgusting.
*Opening the gates to polygamy.
*Do not agree with the "lifestyle."
*Majority says no to gay marriage.
*Laws are based on Christian morality.
*Trying to ram the agenda down our throats.
*Gays try to indoctrinate kids into their "lifestyle."
*Gays will ruin civilization like the downfall of empires in the past.
*One or two conservatives will elicit support for gay marriage only to be pig-piled by everyone else.

A new front in the gay marriage conflict

What's the most toxic environment to raise a child?

Gay rights issues

Gays pissed at the obaminator

As goes Maine, so goes the nation

I sincerely hope that you're not shocked by any of that.

You're probably not aware that each time some one clicks on one of those links from this website/thread/forum, that the site administrators there can directly link back to us here on JUB.

As a Moderator here I can tell you that we see far more than the members who post here do when it comes to JustUsBoys.com coming under attack from outside sources.

Fortunately, over the years, we've developed an arsenal of "moderating tools" to assist us in fending off most cyber attacks.

We rely on the members here to bring some of those "new posters" to our attention.

But more important than all of that, those individuals posting there are your neighbors, your coworkers, your friends, and quite possibly members of your own family, and I'd bet members of your own party.

Yes, that's right!

As a credentialed member of the Texas Democratic Party I've heard the same comments spit out in committee meeting by members of my own party.

So it's not just a "conservative" or partisan issue, it goes much deeper than that.

Which is why it's important for us to continue to break down the walls of our self-imposed closets, and remind many of these people that those that they proclaim to hate are actually people that they claim to love.

Though in fairness, many of us choose to remain quite more so out of "self-preservation" than to make an individual political statement.

But in a way coming out is political.

We force those individuals with their blind hatred and ignorance to some "unknown" into facing a known.

My "Christian" Niece, when she discovered that I was Gay, said "I don't support my uncle's lifestyle."

When she got knocked up from a guy from her church and then decided to not only not marry the guy, but to prevent him from having any contact with his son, I made it clear that I didn't support her lifestyle either.

How can one set of "laws" apply to one but not the other?

But then to attempt to legislate "morality" and scream foul when others expect (or as we're accused; demand) equal exceptence/special rights?

In addition to coming out, I have no problem pointing out the religious hypocrisy within their own arguments.

I studied the Bible, and have learned to quote "scripture" far better than those who hang outside of local Gay Bars in the city hope to "convert us from our evil ways."

The arrogance of their self-proclaimed righteous position is astounding!

If you don't believe in "Gay Marriage" then DON'T HAVE ONE!

Just don't deny me that right why you go about trashing your own.

 

[Just_Believe18]

I'm sorry you put yourself through that.

 

[01solara]

I can't believe the comments of posters in these threads. I've never seen such caustic bile being leveled against the LGBT community. Can you say you are surprised?


A few common findings:


*Faith in God.
*Moral absolutes.
*Special treatment.
*Gays are disgusting.
*Opening the gates to polygamy.
*Do not agree with the "lifestyle."
*Majority says no to gay marriage.
*Laws are based on Christian morality.
*Trying to ram the agenda down our throats.
*Gays try to indoctrinate kids into their "lifestyle."
*Gays will ruin civilization like the downfall of empires in the past.
*One or two conservatives will elicit support for gay marriage only to be pig-piled by everyone else.


A new front in the gay marriage conflict





















What's the most toxic environment to raise a child?







Gay rights issues



















Gays pissed at the obaminator











As goes Maine, so goes the nation

Not all religious zealots are Republicans and all Republicans are religious zealots. In fact many of the super religious hateful people that you quoted in your message are leaving the Republican party because they feel it is too moderate. The sooner they start their own party the better they are a small hateful minority and have no chance of electing anyone not even in the south. There numbers are decreasing with every generation. They will die off in the next few generations. Hate is powerful but they will self destruct. They like the Fred Phelps of the world are a small but vocal minority even many of their own children will reject their bullshit.

I have seen so many buck wild children come from super strict religious upbringings. It is almost the norm rather than the exception.

 

[Kensei]

Not all religious zealots are Republicans and all Republicans are religious zealots. In fact many of the super religious hateful people that you quoted in your message are leaving the Republican party because they feel it is too moderate. The sooner they start their own party the better they are a small hateful minority and have no chance of electing anyone not even in the south. There numbers are decreasing with every generation. They will die off in the next few generations. Hate is powerful but they will self destruct. They like the Fred Phelps of the world are a small but vocal minority even many of their own children will reject their bullshit.

I have seen so many buck wild children come from super strict religious upbringings. It is almost the norm rather than the exception.

You cheer me up.

These people have been on my mind so much lately and it's quite haunting and overwhelming. I just remember that human beings can be naturally irrational at times and as each decade goes by, this way of thinking slowly dies off with last generation bigots.

A sentence that always gets under my skin is that homosexuality is immoral. The way I see it is that it's not a matter of opinion but a matter of possibility. It's impossible for homosexuality to be immoral because people are homosexual. For it to be immoral, that would mean that people's existence is immoral and a persons existence is not immoral.