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Rise of Fascism in the United States [SPLIT]

So theoretically the Senate has enough Republicans willing to vote against the bill.

Which is what the House likely hoped.

But we've been here before.

I wouldn't truxt one fucking GQP senator to not find some way to 'support' this bill as TrumpCo. and their owners find ways of incentivizing and monetizing their support.

It is a den of whores.

As I said here: https://forums.justusboys.com/threads/tracking-project-2025.523609/post-12967239 and everyone ignored. It is all a big show.
In the end, they are all going to vote for it. It is a scam that some republicans are willing to vote against the bill. They may change a few things around that don't have any significant meaning. But all the stuff that kills democracy, harms people, and makes the rich richer, will remain. This is part of the plan.

Senate republicans will do what always happens in both Houses. A few republicans will be selected to put on a charade of opposition and resistance. They'll put on a show for the media that looks like they're "fighting", but this is just for distraction and publicity. In the end, they will find a way to pass the bill, and they will all vote for it. They are all 100% in lock-step with the Trump and Project 2025 agenda. Any pretense of cowardice, opposition, or caving to Trump, is just a masquerade to deceive and mollify the public. All the republicans are warriors and traitors to their oath in service of der Trumpenführer. All of them.
 
If the Project 2025 provisions in this bill are passed, it will the completion of a legislative and judicial coup equivalent to all the provisions of the German Enabling Act. SCOTUS made Trump immune from prosecution, and if this passes, Trump will be immune from any and every law. The only source of law will be Trump. Our country will be ended. We will be living in the Fascist Apocalypse under the Trumpenführer. As I've said for years now, Nazi Germany will look like a garden party. Yes people, this is happening.

Just watch. Everyone will be silent. No one will say anything.

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If the Project 2025 provisions in this bill are passed, it will the completion of a legislative and judicial coup equivalent to all the provisions of the German Enabling Act. SCOTUS made Trump immune from prosecution, and if this passes, Trump will be immune from any and every law. The only source of law will be Trump. Our country will be ended. We will be living in the Fascist Apocalypse under the Trumpenführer. As I've said for years now, Nazi Germany will look like a garden party. Yes people, this is happening.

Just watch. Everyone will be silent. No one will say anything.

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From Adam Kinzinger...

"A viral post is spreading fear on all platforms, supposedly from Liz and Me, about a nonexistent bill—just like the far right used to do.
We cannot become what we’re fighting. The truth still matters. We win by being better, not louder. "
 
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Ok....Not YET.

This bill is not harmless, and if passed, it is one more step. Just because this is not identical to Germany's Enabling Act does not mean it isn't one more step to accomplishing the same end in the next bills.
Exactly. It is bad enough, especially for a party that constantly complains about the deficit anytime there is a Democrat in the White House.

These memes that circulate with inaccurate information just muddy the water, weather they are misrepresenting things on the right or on the left.

The Democrats have a messaging problem. They need to focus on Medicaid cuts, the screwing of the poor/middle class to reward Trump's crony billionaire buddies and the damage done to the economy by ballooning deficits to reward wealthy campaign donors. That's simple messaging that voters can understand.

As usual, Adam Kinzinger has the messaging right.
 
Exactly. It is bad enough, especially for a party that constantly complains about the deficit anytime there is a Democrat in the White House.

These memes that circulate with inaccurate information just muddy the water, weather they are misrepresenting things on the right or on the left.

The Democrats have a messaging problem. They need to focus on Medicaid cuts, the screwing of the poor/middle class to reward Trump's crony billionaire buddies and the damage done to the economy by ballooning deficits to reward wealthy campaign donors. That's simple messaging that voters can understand.

As usual, Adam Kinzinger has the messaging right.

True. It is also important to focus on the loss of democracy and freedom. I wasn't aware that some of the things in the meme were inaccurate for this bill, but actually, they could also be considered a little forward-thinking for the next bill. So I agree we need to stick with facts as we know them at the time and not exaggerate.

But also, Democrats should point out the gleichschlatung methodology of step-by-step bringing the public and country in-line, that is inherent in bills like this. At some point or another, anything mentioned as an objective in Project 2025 will eventually find its way into legislation, unless we can find a way to stop it.

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True. It is also important to focus on the loss of democracy and freedom. I wasn't aware that some of the things in the meme were inaccurate for this bill, but actually, they could also be considered a little forward-thinking for the next bill. So I agree we need to stick with facts as we know them at the time and not exaggerate.
Sad to say, but most Americans don't give a shit about the loss of democracy. It's an abstraction. They'll trade away their abstract "rights" for a stable income in a heartbeat. Remember, they just voted in a serial sex abuser and repeat felon who tried to overthrow an election 4 years ago and is largely responsible for 1,000,000 pandemic deaths, all because they were paying a few dollars more for groceries.

Until it hits them and their pocketbook, they just aren't going to pay attention.
 
Sad to say, but most Americans don't give a shit about the loss of democracy. It's an abstraction. They'll trade away their abstract "rights" for a stable income in a heartbeat. Remember, they just voted in a serial sex abuser and repeat felon who tried to overthrow an election 4 years ago and is largely responsible for 1,000,000 pandemic deaths, all because they were paying a few dollars more for groceries.

Until it hits them and their pocketbook, they just aren't going to pay attention.

Yeah, I guess you're right. MAGAs keep trying to say we aren't even a democracy. They won't miss their freedom until it is gone and can't get it back.
 
The foundations of the slide into fascism.

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I get where Nelson is coming from...but this is the other way that Dictators manage to consolidate their powers and wipe away dissent when good people resign and retreat.

I wish she had gone out swinging, but this is what capitulation looks like.

And I am sure that the racist trogs in the Trump very White House are high fiving one another as they celebrate another DEI casualty.

 
2:00 PM: The world learns of the taco trade

6:00 PM: The taco trade is dead as his tariffs are ruled illegally implemented
 
This was a week of wins for the rise of fascism in the US.

Perhaps, besides the SC decision that further empowers TrumpCo. on ending immigration of refugees, the background moves at the State Department to align the
US with the far right European countries to fight liberal democracies is the most chilling.

Heather Cox Richardson's wrap up is worth the read.

 
Heather Cox Richardson's wrap up is worth the read.

Something to take note that is buried in this article, the name of a company: Palantir

There's a large amount of money that gets redirected from taxpayers into Silicon Valley. The largest network providers under government contracts are owned by Apple, Amazon and Microsoft. Starlink and SpaceX, owned by Musk, gets billions in government contracts. It was very odd to see the CEOs and major shareholders of those same companies sitting in seats at the inauguration.

When the Healthcare.gov rollout was a failure during the Obama Administration, engineers from Google were brought in to cleanup the mess. Many of those engineers were hired by the Federal Government and became part of a new department in the Federal Government, known as the United States Digital Service (USDS). USDS' original intent was to standardize .gov websites, help bolster government systems to make them secure and reliable and to be an internal technology consulting service for government agencies. This gave USDS an internal insight into how the various systems and technologies in the Federal Government worked.

One of Trump's Executive Orders changed USDS into the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and changed its mission from being a group of internal consultants who assisted information technology departments in Federal agencies, remaking USDS (now called DOGE) into a group of people who infiltrated government systems, mined data and collected information about US citizens from Federal agencies, in violation of Federal laws, in many cases.

It sounds Orwellian but anyone who has lived in an authoritarian country will tell you that the government in authoritarian countries collect and use information about citizens as part of how the government controls the masses. It used to be that Republicans and libertarians were always very paranoid about the Federal and State governments collecting and aggregating information citizens. Republicans fought any effort to assign a national identifier to citizens out of fear that the government could use an identifier to collect information on its citizens. Today, Republicans are sitting largely silent while DOGE collected information.

Privacy advocates noticed this Defense Contract that was posted on 21-May-2025:
Palantir USG Inc., Palo Alto, California, was awarded a $795,000,000 modification (P00005) to contract W911QX-24-D-0012 for Maven Smart System software licenses. Work locations and funding will be determined with each order, with an estimated completion date of May 28, 2029. Army Contracting Command Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland, is the contracting activity. (Awarded May 20, 2025)

That $759 BILLION contract went to a company founded by Peter Thiel, Palantir Technologies. Palantir was named after the crystal ball in the Tolkien novels.

The New York Times also noticed.

In March, President Trump signed an executive order calling for the federal government to share data across agencies, raising questions over whether he might compile a master list of personal information on Americans that could give him untold surveillance power.

Mr. Trump has not publicly talked about the effort since. But behind the scenes, officials have quietly put technological building blocks into place to enable his plan. In particular, they have turned to one company: Palantir, the data analysis and technology firm.

The Trump administration has expanded Palantir’s work across the federal government in recent months. The company has received more than $113 million in federal government spending since Mr. Trump took office, according to public records, including additional funds from existing contracts as well as new contracts with the Department of Homeland Security and the Pentagon. (This does not include a $795 million contract that the Department of Defense awarded the company last week, which has not been spent.)

Representatives of Palantir are also speaking to at least two other agencies — the Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service — about buying its technology, according to six government officials and Palantir employees with knowledge of the discussions.

The push has put a key Palantir product called Foundry into at least four federal agencies, including D.H.S. and the Health and Human Services Department. Widely adopting Foundry, which organizes and analyzes data, paves the way for Mr. Trump to easily merge information from different agencies, the government officials said.

Creating detailed portraits of Americans based on government data is not just a pipe dream. The Trump administration has already sought access to hundreds of data points on citizens and others through government databases, including their bank account numbers, the amount of their student debt, their medical claims and any disability status.


The Trump people came out of 2020 with a great deal of paranoia about the BLM protests- that millions of people would take to the street in protests, many wearing masks, and the government was unable to quell those protests. The Trumpists have reasons why they would want to have information about every citizen in order to quell any possible mass protests that might happen in the future.

We're seeing things happen in the first 3 months of the second Trump Administration that look a lot like things that would happen in Russia, China, Hungary, Turkey and other authoritarian countries. And Congress is just sitting by, letting it happen. And the American public seems oblivious.
 
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It baffles me daily. US Americans are simply allowing all of this to happen. With aiding and abetting by Congress. Both GQP and Dems.

And of course we know that Thiel is an ardent supporter of autocracy.

His wealth protects him...for the time being...from consequences of being a cocksucker...but take a look at the purge of oligarchs under Putin after he consolidated power.

Eventually Thiel is just too powerful and will be a target from the inside.

I predict either defenestration or just seizure of his companies and fake trials and incarceration where he will die like Epstein.
 
It baffles me daily. US Americans are simply allowing all of this to happen.

What do you expect people to do? Most of this is invisible to the typical citizen, and too many politicians are saying that the only thing anyone can do is wait for the next elections and try to get the House back.
 
And this is the problem.

US Americans have learned to just ignore federal politics. I mean the actual workings of American politics. And how the government works.

And so it becomes this game of 'well you just wait until the next election'.

I suspect from my analysis that the House is lost to the Dems...it is so gerrymandered as to make elections irrelevant. And the feds now have the chief person in charge of voting who is a career voter suppression lawyer.

Again, sadly we're back to the reality that all the 2nd amendment supporters were always okay with a white supremacist autocracy.

And by 2026, US Americans will capitulate to tyranny because it satisfies their nager against those they have been trained to hate.
 
...And of course we know that Thiel is an ardent supporter of autocracy.
It's a good thing that JD Vance is so disliked because Peter Thiel's exorbitant backing of Vance is worrisome.

Thiel paid at least $15 million to buy Vance the US Senate seat from Ohio. The guy- who moved to Ohio in 2016 with plans to "run for office"- went from no political experience to Senator to VP in less than 4 years. That's something out of The Manchurian Candidate. I keep waiting for Usha Vance to show up in a queen of diamonds costume.


What do you expect people to do? Most of this is invisible to the typical citizen, and too many politicians are saying that the only thing anyone can do is wait for the next elections and try to get the House back.
I have discussions with people who are "informed"- only they are informed by disinformation coming from social media. It really feels like I'm deprogramming them. Some of the stuff that they are saying sounds completely batshit crazy but they are convinced in a way that I've only ever seen in religious dogma.

We've seen things play out- like the Mueller Report or Trump stealing top secret documents- that are a big deal one day and then completely forgotten the next. Some of it is a flood of disinformation that very gullible people are being fed via their phones. A lot of it is Democrats who don't seem be to able to stay on message and see something through to the end. Remember 6 months ago when the Democrats were running around saying, "Democracy is in danger!"? Now we're supposed to wait another 18 months to do something about it?
 
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