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Rise of Fascism in the United States [SPLIT]

Some good news this morning. A judge has ruled Trump's use of the National Guard in LA illegal.

Ketchup throwing time in the White House.

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The "ultra-liberal" Federal Appeals Court in San Francisco just stayed the lower court ruling. Trump has control of the National Guard again. The hearing is not until Tuesday, so Trump has control over the weekend while the "No Kings" protests are happening. :mad:

 
All three of these men were in their 70s. All three had cancer. Two of the men knew they were gravely ill when they ran for re-election. None of the men developed a succession plan.
But the elected don't get to name their successors nor the method of succession.

States do.

Why have the governors of the states not appointed a caretaker Representative to fill the role, pending elections?

Typically, widows were given the honor, and served, but state constitutions usually describe the provision to appoint a pro-tem designee.

How can three states have no such provisions? This is hardly the first time the situation arose for any state.
 
The "ultra-liberal" Federal Appeals Court in San Francisco just stayed the lower court ruling. Trump has control of the National Guard again. The hearing is not until Tuesday, so Trump has control over the weekend while the "No Kings" protests are happening. :mad:

sonofabitch.
 
So Corey Lewandowski was right in the thick of it when the Senator was assaulted.

Hopefully he will also get named in the lawsuit.

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But the elected don't get to name their successors nor the method of succession.

States do.

Why have the governors of the states not appointed a caretaker Representative to fill the role, pending elections?

Typically, widows were given the honor, and served, but state constitutions usually describe the provision to appoint a pro-tem designee.

How can three states have no such provisions? This is hardly the first time the situation arose for any state.
This is one of the weaknesses of the Republican system. Every State has different policy. There is a priority to get the Senate seats filled because each State has 2 and being down a Senator does impact a large number of voters. House seats don't seem to have the same priority and each State has a different set of laws about how vacant House seats are filled.

When I say "succession", I am giving the Congress members some grace is assuming that being a member of Congress has a set of skills and that it does take some time to develop subject matter expertise. If that is the case, then these members should be finding candidates in their district to run for local office to develop a bench of members of their own party who are learning how government works and how politics works. Before 2004, both parties used to do this. Now, there's a surprising number of political elections where a candidate runs for election unopposed. And the American public has become so anti-government that they view prior experience in government as a disqualification for higher office.

All of these House candidates should be mentoring politicians in their district who will be the next candidate for the seat. This model has been successful in the past- where a departing members had a long-time staff member or a County executive or a mayor who had developed political skills and a voter base that enabled them to hit the ground running after an election.

This is one of the reasons that I'm becoming a fan of term limiting House seats, or at least limiting the number of consecutive terms that a House member can serve. It's also the reason I'm becoming a fan of ranked-choice voting and eliminating the primary system.
 
So Corey Lewandowski was right in the thick of it when the Senator was assaulted.
I'm sorry, did you mean "Corey Lewandowski, Noem's alleged side-piece who is not her husband"? ;)
 
This is one of the reasons that I'm becoming a fan of term limiting House seats, or at least limiting the number of consecutive terms that a House member can serve. It's also the reason I'm becoming a fan of ranked-choice voting and eliminating the primary system.
Those in power will never vote to limit their own power, including terms.

A natitonal referendum to amend the Constitution would never pass. Both parties would defeat it.

As for succession, there is no better evidence than the crisis just witnessed at the DNC. David Hogg was raising funds outside the DNC to primary older Democrats. He was going to be the enemy within. That failed.

The Democrats need new blood, but the status quo are not going to support suicide for their senior power holders.

The two-party system has failed. Both parties gerrymander. Both parties crush rising stars to foster the old coven. Both parties have been moved off the main to extremes and have failed because they did.

I'm sorry to say it, but we need the Titanic to sink. We need the crisis that is coming to wake up the sleeping.

Woke may be a shit term from its smug and unjust use as a weapon in both directions, but it could have described the next wave in America IF the fascists are deposed.
 
Those in power will never vote to limit their own power, including terms.

A natitonal referendum to amend the Constitution would never pass. Both parties would defeat it.
It has passed in Democratic states and is very popular in local and state elections. It's the Republican States that have outlawed it (with the exception of Alaska). It is popular with the voters and it's probably just a matter of time before it gets elected in most State, at least the States that don't have a lot of Black people voting.


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This is one of the reasons that I'm becoming a fan of term limiting House seats, or at least limiting the number of consecutive terms that a House member can serve. It's also the reason I'm becoming a fan of ranked-choice voting and eliminating the primary system.

I would keep the terms the same, and say 12 years and you're done, either Senate or House.

We have ranked-choice voting in the city of Saint Louis, but it only applies to city offices. Republicans forced onto the ballot last November an amendment that makes it illegal across the state unless you're grandfathered in.

I like the idea of "ranked-choice" voting and since we have it here, my experience here is almost no one understands it. Personally, I think it is a stupid name for that reason. It should be called non-partisan voting.
For it to really work though, it would have to be implemented nationally in all the states. Vote for the person(s) you like in the primary, regardless of party. This would give third parties a fair chance. The general election then becomes a run-off between only the top two contenders of whatever party they belong to.
 
I would keep the terms the same, and say 12 years and you're done, either Senate or House.
The length of terms are written into the Constitution and cannot be easily changed. There is some wisdom to how they are designed.

The problem really is gerrymandering and how computers are used to pick voters to make seats not competitive. One of the reasons that we have such an ineffective Congress is that too many members are not afraid of losing their seat.

..I like the idea of "ranked-choice" voting and since we have it here, my experience here is almost no one understands it. Personally, I think it is a stupid name for that reason. It should be called non-partisan voting.
Or "You only have to vote one time" voting.

The US system was designed before parties. The Federalists vs Republicans and then later the "Free Staters" vs the Slave Staters" really ruined the good intentions of the representative democracy that the Founders intended.

The parties have had 250 years to design ways to game the system. The primary system is one of those methods to game the system. The reason that we have House members who sleep with underage girls but still get 70% of the vote, the reason that we have certifiable nutcases who believe in space lasers, the reason that we have members with extremist views on foreign policy and the reason that we have too many showhorses and not enough workhorses is that the primary system favors extremist candidates.

I would love not to have to vote in a primary election and then vote again in a general election... much less all of the runoff and special elections. Just put them all on the ballot and let everyone vote for the first choice and their second choice. Whichever candidate gets the most people voting for them wins. That system would help cut down the number of extremists and it would get us more middle-of-the-road winners.
 
So does this sound like an attempted Coup d'etat to anyone else? Sure seems clear that this invasion by the Feds is purely a political move to overthrow
elected governments.

Kristi Noem on LA:


"We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor & this mayor have placed on this country."
 
The length of terms are written into the Constitution and cannot be easily changed. There is some wisdom to how they are designed.

The problem really is gerrymandering and how computers are used to pick voters to make seats not competitive. One of the reasons that we have such an ineffective Congress is that too many members are not afraid of losing their seat.

As I said, "keep the terms the same". The length of terms = 2 years for Congress, 6 years for Senate. We were talking about term limits, weren't we? Not the length of each individual elected term. Thus, 12 for the same number of years served in either house, is my suggestion, which equals 6 House terms or 2 Senate terms. This could probably be done with legislation, but I'm not sure. It won't happen, I know.

Or "You only have to vote one time" voting.

The US system was designed before parties. The Federalists vs Republicans and then later the "Free Staters" vs the Slave Staters" really ruined the good intentions of the representative democracy that the Founders intended.

The parties have had 250 years to design ways to game the system. The primary system is one of those methods to game the system. The reason that we have House members who sleep with underage girls but still get 70% of the vote, the reason that we have certifiable nutcases who believe in space lasers, the reason that we have members with extremist views on foreign policy and the reason that we have too many showhorses and not enough workhorses is that the primary system favors extremist candidates.

I would love not to have to vote in a primary election and then vote again in a general election... much less all of the runoff and special elections. Just put them all on the ballot and let everyone vote for the first choice and their second choice. Whichever candidate gets the most people voting for them wins. That system would help cut down the number of extremists and it would get us more middle-of-the-road winners.

This is different from ranked choice voting. In a presidential election, you could have several dozen names listed. You would never get a majority, which would necessitate a runoff. Unless you want to elect a president with a small plurality.

Ranked choice voting by definition means voting more than one time, at least it does here. There's the "primary" vote, which is the ranked choice vote to select the candidates. You vote for the people you like, for example, running for mayor (there were 4 in our last election). When you go to the polls, you only get one ballot with everyone listed, no parties shown, and you can vote for as many people as you want (I voted for 2). Then the general election is basically a runoff between the top two and no one else. Whoever gets the most votes wins. A tie is extremely unlikely, and a majority vote is guaranteed.

Non-partisan voting is a better name IMO, because just the name "ranked choice" is confusing to almost everyone I talk to. They're against it because they don't understand what it means. When I explain the process as non-partisan voting, most people are for it.
 
Ranked choice voting by definition means voting more than one time, at least it does here.
There's different flavors. The one that I'm most familiar with it the California system. For areas that use it, it kicks in when no candidate exceeds 50%.



Murkowski in Alaska didn't get 50% on the first round, so it took two rounds of elimination before she won on the third round because more of the lower ranked candidates' voters chose Murkowski as their alternate choice.

Round 1: Voters voted once for all of the candidates on the ballot.
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Round 2 - Kelley was cut and his voter's 8,575 "alternate choice" votes were transferred to the other candidates. Tshibaka picked up 3,209 votes and Murkowski picked up 1,641 votes but neither candidate exceeded 50%.
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Round 3 - Chesbro was cut and her 29,134 votes were transferred which gave Murkowski another 20,571 votes which put her over 50%.
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There's different flavors. The one that I'm most familiar with it the California system. For areas that use it, it kicks in when no candidate exceeds 50%.

Murkowski in Alaska didn't get 50% on the first round, so it took two rounds of elimination before she won on the third round because more of the lower ranked candidates' voters chose Murkowski as their alternate choice.

Round 1: Voters voted once for all of the candidates on the ballot.


Round 2 - Kelley was cut and his voter's 8,575 "alternate choice" votes were transferred to the other candidates. Tshibaka picked up 3,209 votes and Murkowski picked up 1,641 votes but neither candidate exceeded 50%.


Round 3 - Chesbro was cut and her 29,134 votes were transferred which gave Murkowski another 20,571 votes which put her over 50%.

You wouldn't want to do this in a presidential election, would you? How many rounds would that go through? More than 3, I bet.

Wouldn't it be better to have a national, nonpartisan ranked-choice primary to select the top two candidates for the general election? It would also give third parties a fair chance if they could figure out how to field a good candidate. Get rid of the expensive, wasteful conventions along the way. Then the general election would be definitive. Maybe a good idea, maybe not.

But I know nothing is going to change. The way we're going, any change might be not even having an election.
 
So does this sound like an attempted Coup d'etat to anyone else? Sure seems clear that this invasion by the Feds is purely a political move to overthrow
elected governments.

Kristi Noem on LA:


"We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor & this mayor have placed on this country."
Let's just draw a line under this shall we?

The military doesn't seem to want to help de-escalate.

They seem to be all in for Trump's illegal coup.


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You wouldn't want to do this in a presidential election, would you? How many rounds would that go through? More than 3, I bet.
I'll take ranked choice over Electoral College any day.

Gore would have won in 2000 and Hillary would have won in 2016 because both got over 50% of the popular vote.

In 2024, Trump didn't get over 50% of the popular vote. Just sayin'...
 
So does this sound like an attempted Coup d'etat to anyone else? Sure seems clear that this invasion by the Feds is purely a political move to overthrow
elected governments.

Kristi Noem on LA:


"We are staying here to liberate this city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor & this mayor have placed on this country."

Adolf: "We will free the German people from the shackles of Marxism." and "The people must be freed from the leadership of political opponents."

So there's that......
 
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