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S. Africa Parliament OKs Gay Marriages

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S. Africa Parliament OKs Gay Marriages
From Associated Press
November 14, 2006 9:44 AM EST
CAPE TOWN, South Africa - The South African parliament on Tuesday approved new legislation recognizing gay marriages - a first for a continent where homosexuality is largely taboo.

The National Assembly passed the Civil Union Bill, worked out after months of heated public discussion, by a majority of 230 to 41 votes despite criticism from both traditionalists and gay activists and warnings that it might be unconsitutional. There were three abstentions.

The bill provides for the "voluntary union of two persons, which is solemnized and registered by either a marriage or civil union." It does not specify whether they are heterosexual or homosexual partnerships.

But it also says marriage officers need not perform a ceremony between same-sex couples if doing so would conflict with his or her "conscience, religion and belief."

"When we attained our democracy, we sought to distinguish ourselves from an unjust painful past, by declaring that never again shall it be that any South African will be discriminated against on the basis of color, creed culture and sex," Home Affairs Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula told the National Assembly.

The bill had been expected to pass given the overwhelming majority of the ruling African National Congress, despite unease among rank and file lawmakers. It now has to go to the National Council of Provinces, which is expected to be a formality, before being signed into law by President Thabo Mbeki
 
Finally! I was beginning to think it wasn't going to happen, cause the christians went crazy when the plan to legalise it was announced. Now its done, and we can rub it in their faces.
 
This is surprising! Especially given the homophobic nature of African societies.
 
Thanks Antdak

I was watching the debate in parlament, on TV, just this afternoon. It was very interesting but I would have never thought of putting it on here.

How many countries in the world have that kind of legislation? Not more than about 8 I would think. Maybe someone can tell us.
 
Congratulations to our South African brothers and sisters on this wonderful news.

But i did note in the report that the South African Cardinal attacked the development and said it was an attack on democracy. Once again the Catholic Church shows itself to be the enemy of gay people and of justice for them.
 
But i did note in the report that the South African Cardinal attacked the development and said it was an attack on democracy. Once again the Catholic Church shows itself to be the enemy of gay people and of justice for them.

Fortunately the government takes little notice of the religious know-it-alls and takes more notice of human right violations. And in SA, it is unconstitutional to force christian (or any other religion) views onto others, everyone is free to believe what they like.

All those christians that have a problem with it can go fuck themselves, cause for once, it wasn't up to them.
 
At present, same-sex marriages are recognized in Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, South Africa Spain and the U.S. state of Massachusetts (for same-sex marriages performed within that state under its laws).

Civil unions, domestic partnerships or registered partnership offer varying amounts of the benefits of marriage, which are available in: Andorra, Argentina, Brazil, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Israel, Luxembourg, Mexico, New Zealand, Norway, Portugal, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom; Tasmania,
 
Maybe the competitive nature of the US government will kick in now? One can only hope.... sigh.
 
Maybe the competitive nature of the US government will kick in now? One can only hope.... sigh.

Wouldn't that be nice though? We could get posters made with Uncle Sam. Something like, "We Won't Be Outdone! It's Un-American!"

"Sigh" indeed. ;)
 
How embarrassed are you , America, that fucking SOUTH AFRICA is ahead of you in Human Rights?

I mean, this is humiliating.
 
How embarrassed are you , America, that fucking SOUTH AFRICA is ahead of you in Human Rights?

I mean, this is humiliating.

I am ebarrassed. This is supposed to be "The land of the free and the home of the brave..." after all.
 
How embarrassed are you , America, that fucking SOUTH AFRICA is ahead of you in Human Rights?

I mean, this is humiliating.


My thoughts, exactly. This is the country that in a historical timeline, only recently gave up apartheid and now they're allowing gay marriage. And yet, the country that for 250 years has declared itself the the land of freedom fights tooth and nail to stop that from happening. That is insane and yes, very humiliating.
 
America, home of the Free, as long as you do it our way, and our way only! Otherwise, we'll come bomb the hell out of your country!!
 
South Africa: 1
USA: 0


Oh, and to Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper....

-2 points for trying to reopen an issue over half of Canadians feel is closed. December 2nd people, be sure to keep an eye open.
 
Well, we'll see how long it lasts. Undoubtedly someone will find an issue to get it blocked in the Constitutional Court, which is the highest court in the land.

Unsurprisingly, almost everyone said no during the debate, for various reasons. Some had social and moral/religious objections; others objected to it being forced through parliament by the courts in a mere few weeks without having the usual lengthy public hearings and participations.

Apparently the ruling ANC party issued a 3-line whip ORDERING all their ministers, deputy ministers, MPs and backbenchers to vote yes, regardless of whether or not they agreed with it. Since they have close to a 75% majority, I suppose that's where the numbers come from.

-d-
 
^I appreciate all that. But then why bother having the debate and vote in parliament?

Nevertheless, our constitutional court has a nasty habit of blowing up in our faces. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a clever lawyer found a way to have the constitutional court declared unconstitutional.

-d-
 
Fair enough, but if the court is going to MAKE you do it, why debate and vote?

Surely the options for parliament are
1.) Change it, or
2.) See #1 above

The vote seems like a waste of time if there is no choice in the matter.

-d-
 
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