Sarah Palin still doesn't know what the VP does.

[Kulindahr]

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We all know that if Joe Biden had been hit over the head and said the same thing, Rush Limbaugh would be doing a big where he did this whole "VP 101" class to teach "the Liberals" what the VP does all day.

Oh, my -- now there's a standard to aspire to!

 

[NickCole]

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whats worse is that McCain believes if he is elected president there will never be an international crisis because he has already been tested so many times. What an invitation he offered. After all he sat in a cockpit once during the Cuban crisis.

McCain never said that and has not suggested he believes that.

This is another example of how Obama supporters, in and outside the media, misconstrue what others say to demonize them. More lying is not change.

Here's what McCain said:

"We don't want a new president who invites testing from the world at a time when America's economy is in crisis."

McCain noted he was in the Navy, on an aircraft carrier near Cuba, when Kennedy was president and the Cuban missile crisis erupted.

"I know how close we came to a nuclear war," McCain said. "I will not be a president who needs to be tested. I have been tested."

 

[NickCole]

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Out of the same type of curiosity that draws a person to a car wreck, I watched Sean Hannity interview Sarah Palin tonight on Fox. I was expecting Hannity to be slow pitching soft balls to Sarah, but I was wrong. It wasn't slow pitch at all .... it was tee ball. Hannity was practically drooling over her like a love struck teenager.

Do the lovefest Obama interviews frustrate you as much?

 

[NickCole]

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Oh hell no, didn't you do the same thing with a Joe Biden quote in one of these threads? Spend 2 pages using Biden's quote against Obama while continually admitting that you didn't even know what he meant?

It's a shame you keep misconstruing what others say. I never said I don't know what Biden meant. I understood it fine, although Kuli with his infinite patience explained it in that thread much better than I.

I said I don't know specifically what "international crisis" he had in mind when he referred to 4 or 5 scenarios, though, as I pointed out, he apparently did mention the Middle East and Russia.

 

[Spensed]

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She was responding with a 15 second answer to a third grader. It was fine.

Sure, judging her answer by the standards of a third grader, it was fine. LOL.

 

[smelter]

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Do the lovefest Obama interviews frustrate you as much?

I'll answer that if you give me a specific example.

 

[bike10]

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Is it now time for someone on the team tell her what her duties are as vp?

Did she sleep through civics class in high school? Did she ever read the constitution?

I guess the constitution is not in the Bible.

 

[G-Lexington]

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>>>if in 2012 Palen becomes the candidate for President, who do you think she will choose as her VP. It would have to be someone better than she.

I think you're still thinking several decades in the past. Palin is ideal for the gig because she's Bush Jr 2.0. An attractive personable face behind which the machinations can take place. Palin's inexperience would make her much more likely to stick to the party line, and less likely to "play the maverick". (Her actions of the past week, where she has "deviated from the game plan", may have thrown a spanner into the works, however.)

In Bush's case, they put Cheney on board - he was the old-school, experienced, hard-line Washingtonian who calmed the fears of anyone in GOP that considered Bush not trustworthy. They felt, accurately, that Cheney would guide Bush along the correct (read: GOP) course.

Palin presumably would need someone similar. They could just find a well-scrubbed youngish white guy to complete the ticket of "two anchormen", but I think that's wasting the spot. They'd need someone who represented the GOP core, to reassure the voters that this wasn't a "maverick" ticket. The tough person would be finding someone who would want the gig. Cheney was astute he'd never be president - he's too explosive, and isn't good at smiling when he feels like frowning - so he accepted the subordinate role. It's tough playing sidekick to a buffoonish guy like Bush when you're actually quite intelligent. Would a GOPper - presumably one who couldn't be president - be willing to take that rol on next to Palin? Time may tell.

Lex

 

[Sondrith]

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Is it now time for someone on the team tell her what her duties are as vp?

Did she sleep through civics class in high school? Did she ever read the constitution?

I guess the constitution is not in the Bible.

I refer you to my post #68. Which was taken directly from the US Senate website, the US senate says that she was actually correct in her statment, albeit she simplified her words as she was responding to a 3rd grader. Judging from this thread, its not Gov Palin that needs a civics class.

It astounds me that you all want her to be stupid and continuously wrong that you are willing to completely ignore the truth.

 

[Sondrith]

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No amount of truth, history or people who know what the !@#$ they're talking about will change that.

That is probably the first thing you have said that makes sense. You just refuse to admit that she's right, and no amount of truth or history will change your mind.

I recommend reading a bio of John Adams, you know the first VP and what exactly he did in the US Senate. Just because the role as of late has been that of a place holder, that doesn't mean that is how it was historically, or how is should be.

 

[Sondrith]

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Because she's not right.

Just give it up... she's an idiot and so are her followers. She was brought in to court the idiot vote and she's done a great job doing it.

It's like arguing with an echo...you stomping your feet and demanding her to be wrong dosen't work. She's not wrong in her statment, a little oversimplified but still correct. Again I refer you to the US Senate website.

Like I said I realize that you have to stick with your argument that she's wrong because of what that would make you, but your wrong Jasun and would be best to just let this thread die.

If she and her followers are idiots, and she's right. What exactly does that make you?

 

[Sondrith]

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like I said.. it's doesn't really matter.

She's not going to get the job anyway.

THAT! Right there is what people are complaining about. 5 pages of you saying that she's an idiot and has no clue about what she is talking about and when it's proven that she is in fact correct that's the answer given by Democrats, and the liberal media. "it dosen't matter anyway"

 

[Spensed]

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^ Before she was nominated, she is on record as saying she didn't know what the Vice President dies and now she says the Vice President is in charge of the Senate, which is wrong.

As a single wrong answer, one might be able to rationalize it away, but as part of a series of gaffes, it suggests she's a novice at national and international affairs, which is what she is.

She's great as a rabble-rouser for thankfully a limited number of people. But her polling suggests that more people just see through her act and don't want her as VP.

 

[Sondrith]

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^ Before she was nominated, she is on record as saying she didn't know what the Vice President dies and now she says the Vice President is in charge of the Senate, which is wrong.

As a single wrong answer, one might be able to rationalize it away, but as part of a series of gaffes, it suggests she's a novice at national and international affairs, which is what she is.

She's great as a rabble-rouser for thankfully a limited number of people. But her polling suggests that more people just see through her act and don't want her as VP.

I refer you and others to post #68, my information comes DIRECTLY from the US Senate website, as well as the Merriam-Webster dictionary. She wasn't wrong in her statment. You saying she's wrong is no more correct than Jasun.

 

[Spensed]

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Spensed, you know I love you but give it up. you can only tell people the sky is blue so many times before you have to just shrug and let them insist you're crazy for not seeing it's red.

Thanks I appreciate the thought.

But sometimes it is just sport.

Fun to see these guys knock Obama for not doing enough for gays and praise McCain because he's just straightforward in being anti-gay.

Or try to present Palin as a substantial candidate. LOL.

 

[Spensed]

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I refer you and others to post #68, my information comes DIRECTLY from the US Senate website, as well as the Merriam-Webster dictionary. She wasn't wrong in her statment. You saying she's wrong is no more correct than Jasun.

I read your post #68 and you're just making the same novice mistake that Palin did. Both of you sound like you fast studied the information and stopped too soon.

After the Senate website says what you assert it does, it goes on to qualify the Vice Pesident's presiding over the Senate. You just read the first sentence and ignore the context and the rest of the paragraph. See for yourself.

Other than to succeed to the presidency upon the death or resignation of a president, a vice president's only constitutional duty is to preside over the Senate. Vice presidents cannot vote in the Senate, except to break a tie, nor may they formally address the Senate, except with the senators' permission. Initially vice presidents appointed senators to standing committees, regulated access to the galleries and supervised the keeping of the Senate Journal, but these duties were later removed.

http://www.senate.gov/general/Features/Part_1_VP.htm

Neither the Senate site, nor the Constitution, nor the current reality of the Vice President's role in the Senate, evidences that the Vice President controls the Senate in the way Palin's unqualified statement claimed.

If she'd got it right, it would never have become something worth commenting on.

 

[Sondrith]

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I think youre getting caught up in the part about "formally addressing the Senate" or that the VP doesn't vote unless there is a tie. The VP if they so choose can sit and determine who has the floor to speak, and rule on decorum. Just because they currently don't (I'm sure they have other more pressing issues to attend to) dosen't mean that they can't. The only time the US President "formally" addresses congress is the Sate of the Union, that doesn't mean that he docent ever speak to Senators.

"It was only after 1953, Vice President Richard M. Nixon changed the vice presidency by moving his chief office from the Capitol to the White House, by directing his attention to executive functions, and by attending Senate sessions only at critical times when his vote, or ruling from the chair, might be necessary. Vice presidents since Nixon's time have followed his example." Before that the office of the VP office was located in the Congressional building, and was staffed and funded via the Legislative Branch

I would also state that the rules of the Senate are phrased "Presiding Officer" the first of which would be President of the Senate, then President Pro Tempore, then whichever jr Senator had been tasked (which is usual).

Nothing states that the VP couldn't go in and do daily functions as the Presiding Officer of the US Senate.

But yes technically she was correct in her statement, but as you see it has become an issue.

 

[Sondrith]

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check and mate. Can we please end this class in remedial politics?

Why on Earth would you want to end this? I'd hope that you would be learning something from this "remedial" session.

 

[Spensed]

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I think youre getting caught up in the part about "formally addressing the Senate" or that the VP doesn't vote unless there is a tie. The VP if they so choose can sit and determine who has the floor to speak, and rule on decorum. Just because they currently don't (I'm sure they have other more pressing issues to attend to) dosen't mean that they can't. The only time the US President "formally" addresses congress is the Sate of the Union, that doesn't mean that he docent ever speak to Senators.

"It was only after 1953, Vice President Richard M. Nixon changed the vice presidency by moving his chief office from the Capitol to the White House, by directing his attention to executive functions, and by attending Senate sessions only at critical times when his vote, or ruling from the chair, might be necessary. Vice presidents since Nixon's time have followed his example." Before that the office of the VP office was located in the Congressional building, and was staffed and funded via the Legislative Branch

I would also state that the rules of the Senate are phrased "Presiding Officer" the first of which would be President of the Senate, then President Pro Tempore, then whichever jr Senator had been tasked (which is usual).

Nothing states that the VP couldn't go in and do daily functions as the Presiding Officer of the US Senate.

But yes technically she was correct in her statement, but as you see it has become an issue.

Taking your Senate citation at face value, it tells us that a Vice President

- cannot vote in the Senate (unless to break a tie);
- can't formally address the Senate without permission;
- can't appoint senators to standing committees;
- can't even regulate access to the galleries; and
- can't even supervise the keeping of the Senate Journal.

That doesn't sound like control to me.

Where does it or the Constitution or current Senate practice evidence that the Vice President has to the power to control the Senate and that what Palin said is correct?

Nothing states that the VP couldn't go in and do daily functions as the Presiding Officer of the US Senate.

Like her, you've got it back to front. For the VP to go in and do daily functions as the Presiding Officer of the US Senate, he or she would need some affirmative authorizing power to do that (or be permitted to do it with the Senate's consent, in which case he wouldn't really be be in control).

I'm no more a Constitutional scholar than Sarah Palin is and would be more than happy to be proved wrong. But you've yet to come up with that authorizing power.

Until you do that, she isn't even technically right. Just plain wrong.

 

[sunoftheskye]

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Uh, you don't even need to go to the dictionary in order to define "presiding over the Senate".

That site you linked to, provides a link to the Constitution which explains it perfectly...

The vice president does not "get in there and make policy changes", or even debate any policy on the floor.