savages Attack a Transgendered Female at Mcdonald's

[pat grimshaw]

…You see the situation as either/or…

Indeed!
The discussion here has gone a little 'Reductio ad absurdum'

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

The parents.

Get ready to call me the bad guy again, to call me homophobic and to insist that I'm taking the attackers' side.....

You are so far out of line blaming their parents for this behavior. Good parents have bad kids, and bad parents have good kids. The world isn't this easy, 1-2-3 place you guys imagine where the answers are always this easy. You know zero about how they were raised or who they were even raised by. Leave the parents out of this, they didn't assault anyone. These are two grown adults who made a choice to be violent, or are we just on a hunt to criminalise as many people as possible? Why not throw the teachers under the bus too? Ex-boyfriends? Siblings? Who else is at fault for what two individuals chose to do?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Indeed!
The discussion here has gone a little 'Reductio ad absurdum'

It does have some entertainment value, I LOVE watching these girls THINK they've backed you into a corner by twisting the facts and words.

See how just a few posts above beachqueen tried to charge me with violence by stripping one line from a story where I was defending my life? And his cheerleader is even worse, she hasn't said two words about the story, she's just chiming in with garbage about how I've never dated a tg person and am homophobic and this and that. And why? Because I choose not to be hateful.

 

[yummylongsword]

Get ready to call me the bad guy again, to call me homophobic and to insist that I'm taking the attackers' side.....

You are so far out of line blaming their parents for this behavior. Good parents have bad kids, and bad parents have good kids. The world isn't this easy, 1-2-3 place you guys imagine where the answers are always this easy. You know zero about how they were raised or who they were even raised by. Leave the parents out of this, they didn't assault anyone. These are two grown adults who made a choice to be violent, or are we just on a hunt to criminalise as many people as possible? Why not throw the teachers under the bus too? Ex-boyfriends? Siblings? Who else is at fault for what two individuals chose to do?

Depending on the definition of adult you're using, one or neither of them were actually "full grown adults." It's impossible to assign blame to something as complicated as your mental health due to upbringing, but if we could measure and record every single thing that influenced a child's mind, the parent would be way up there at the top in terms of the person who had most influence. Of course a parent isn't the sole person to blame and there's no objective way to prove that they're guilty of anything, but the attitude of a parents is often reflected in the attitude of a child. Nonetheless, an individual is still responsible for their own actions... it's just a shame some individuals are taught that they aren't.

You seem to think that coming to a conclusion without exact and perfect knowledge is just judgmental, which is ridiculous. We come to conclusions based on what we observe. What I observe here is a human being brutally attacked by two other humans (although they don't deserve the title, imo). That, in and of itself, is unacceptable, no matter WHAT provocation there was. Whatever happened in the bathroom is irrelevant, short of physical instigation by the victim, and even if the victim DID start the fight, the two girls took self-defense much further than necessary, therefore turning it into assault. A far more likely scenario, based on the attitudes of the attackers and spectators and the fact that they were in a ghetto McDonalds, is that there was little to no provocation from the victim and that the attackers were entirely responsible for the incident.

 

[fetaby]

Get ready to call me the bad guy again, to call me homophobic and to insist that I'm taking the attackers' side.....

You are so far out of line blaming their parents for this behavior. Good parents have bad kids, and bad parents have good kids. The world isn't this easy, 1-2-3 place you guys imagine where the answers are always this easy. You know zero about how they were raised or who they were even raised by. Leave the parents out of this, they didn't assault anyone. These are two grown adults who made a choice to be violent, or are we just on a hunt to criminalise as many people as possible? Why not throw the teachers under the bus too? Ex-boyfriends? Siblings? Who else is at fault for what two individuals chose to do?

So 14 is grown now?

Until a child is a legal adult, the parents are responsible for their behavior, no?

But you are correct in that it isn't a hard and fast rule for explaining things of this nature. But I wasn't intending it to either so nah.

What I was saying, is that the consciousness of problems existing is generally traced back to the 50's. Or "the good ol' days". Why is that? Because of the median age of the people dealing with these problems. It's a time from just out of our consciousness because the only people alive from then are fucking old. And who talks to old people?

The use of violence to solve any and every problem is a behavior that is learned. So who is teaching them?

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

For starters, THANK YOU KINDLY for the first intelligible response I've seen directed towards me.

You seem to think that coming to a conclusion without exact and perfect knowledge is just judgmental

If I didn't know better, the first part of the sentence is damn-near the definition of judgmental. I'd understand blaming the parents if we had SOMETHING to go on. Hell, at least a picture of them because a picture can be telling. But for all we know, their parents could be dead. Every person on the planet doesn't have parents. Off the top of my head I can name four friends under the age of 21 who have at least one parent if not both are deceased, in which case wouldn't blaming them not only be silly but disrespectful to the deceased?

WHAT provocation there was. Whatever happened in the bathroom is irrelevant, short of physical instigation by the victim, and even if the victim DID start the fight, the two girls took self-defense much further than necessary, therefore turning it into assault. A far more likely scenario, based on the attitudes of the attackers and spectators and the fact that they were in a ghetto McDonalds, is that there was little to no provocation from the victim and that the attackers were entirely responsible for the incident.

I'm willing to concede this, I never insisted anything on either side of the fence, but the mere suggestion that perhaps this was a provoked (don't chime in anyone else unless you understand the difference between 'provoked' and 'justified') attack is what has everyone's panties in a bunch. I wish I had a dollar for every fight I've seen-- at school, at home, at family reunions, out in public. People fight every day for all sorts of reasons and one thing I've learned is that just because someone loses the fight does NOT mean they didn't provoke it or throw the first punch. I'm not justifying the attack, but if the reason for the attack doesn't matter on here, it WILL matter in court, so I thought it was worth discussing.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

I agree with the fact that I disagree with the fact that I fail to agree to disagree with those who disagree to agree with those who are not outraged enough to agree with the amount of outrage shown by those who disagree with the lack of outrage shown by the least (perhaps, visibly) outraged people in this thread, in reaction to the subject at hand.

Don't get me wrong, I was pissed when I first saw the video, two or three hours ago, but I'm not one to dwell on anger, heart disease runs in my family so being angry all day about everything I see will do nothing but send me to an early grave.

I seriously think JUB should offer free blood-pressure screenings, if this one incident causes this much outrage for these folks, how will they handle it when they realize that such attacks are on the rise? Philly comes to mind, a week or two ago there were quite a few news strories about transgender-related murders and assaults.

And it's only gonna get worse. Gender identity has flown under the national radar but now it's on the news, it's on tv, it's in music videos and on sketch comedy shows. This is going to awaken many dormant homophobes and transphobes (is that word?). So if our job is to get mad at every attack, we may as well quit our jobs and invest in some wrist guards cuz our fingers are gonna be flying across these keyboards faster than our eyes can follow.

 

[TriBi]

I am closing this thread for a while to allow emotions to cool off.

There have been more insults flung around than I am prepared to try and clean up...
a) because I have better things to do with my time
b) if I did there likely wouldn't be enough left to be intelligible.

I would remind people to debate the subject - not attack the poster.

I may re-open this thread later. IF I do so I expect people to continue to post in accordance with the CoC - I hope everyone is aware of the consequences of NOT doing so.

 

[TriBi]

I have been asked to re-open this thread by someone wishing to post an update.

I trust those who previously turned it into a personal argument will refrain from doing so again. Let's start afresh and keep things civil please.

 

[SilverWolf]

McDonald's employee fired after taping video of fight

A Baltimore County McDonald's owner announced on Saturday afternoon that an employee who taped the violent beating of a customer — a video that went viral Friday — had been fired.

"My first and foremost concern is with the victim," franchise owner Mitchell McPherson said in a statement, adding that action might be taken against other restaurant workers as well. "I'm as shocked and disturbed by this assault as anyone would be. The behavior displayed in the video is unfathomable and reprehensible."

Even though he unintentionally did some good by videotaping this tragic event and posting it online (if he did not, we might never have known about this), I'm glad he was fired.

 

[Comrad]

McDonald's employee fired after taping video of fight


Even though he unintentionally did some good by videotaping this tragic event and posting it online (if he did not, we might never have known about this), I'm glad he was fired.

This is EXACTLY the point i was trying to make in my post a few pages ago. I am not shocked he hear he was fired. I was more than shocked he was dumb enough to post a GIANT picture aside the video with commentary. He should be been fired for stupidity alone.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

McDonald's employee fired after taping video of fight


Even though he unintentionally did some good by videotaping this tragic event and posting it online (if he did not, we might never have known about this), I'm glad he was fired.

He would've done more good to break up the fight than to film it and giggle like a school girl and tease the victim, at least in that case he would've been fired for being a hero rather than a douche.

I'm soooo glad he got fired, his behavior was unprofessional and all-around prickesque.

This is EXACTLY the point i was trying to make in my post a few pages ago. I am not shocked he hear he was fired. I was more than shocked he was dumb enough to post a GIANT picture aside the video with commentary. He should be been fired for stupidity alone.

Shocked? Facebook was created so idiots such as himself could incriminate themselves. Nobody in this video clip strikes me as the brightest crayon in the box.

 

[SilverWolf]

He would've done more good to break up the fight than to film it and giggle like a school girl and tease the victim, at least in that case he would've been fired for being a hero rather than a douche.

I'm soooo glad he got fired, his behavior was unprofessional and all-around prickesque.

I agree he could have done more good and he should have.

 

[BearBoi]

Update: Victim Speaks Out

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423,0,3336656.story

(If posted already, sorry, I skimmed the prevoius pages only, but didn't notice this link.)

 

[Comrad]

Update: Victim Speaks Out

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-mcdonalds-beating-20110423,0,3336656.story

(If posted already, sorry, I skimmed the prevoius pages only, but didn't notice this link.)

The trannie came off better when he didn't speak. And i like it now seeing as how many conclusions people were jumping to here. Judging from his story it no longer sounds like a "gay bashing". It just sounded like every other Saturday night brawl. In her owns, his own story, it sounded as if this was a jealous woman's fight. In which the girl dude lost the fight, the only bad part was it was 2 on 1. The question is, would this be an issue if it was not a trannie and it was a natural woman... "I don't remember going into a seizure--I mean do remember going into one" story dose not add up to me. And I did not know people spat up blood while going through a seizure. The trannie sounds almost as ghetto as the other two girls....And fuck me, one of them was 14! WTF! What are they putting in the food at MC Ds that can make a 14yr looks like a 32yo grown woman!

 

[pat grimshaw]

I must confess that —after all of yesterday's drama and indignation— this latest clip is an anti-climax.

 

[navidzurender]

that 14 years old bitch clearly has a very bad childhood experience.

And the employees who were just watching while the woman is being attacked are just as fucked up as those who attacked the victim.

People these days, pff

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Oh this is just too rich. Lemme savor this moment.

Savoring.... savoring.... savoring.... oh yeah that's gooood.

Well, according to Chrissy during an on-camera interview, this was not an issue of any hate crime or homophobia, the incident was spurred when a boyfriend of one of the attackers tried to holler at her. The bathroom's role in this is merely the place where the attack began, it had nothing to do with a tg woman using a female bathroom. And this is according to the victim's own words.

There aren't enough smileys in the world. NOW do you see why I wanted more facts? Why I wanted to know the details of the assault? Why I didn't make assumptions just because a tg woman was attacked? Not to condone any violence against LGBT folks (which I happen to be a part of, DUH!) but because things aren't always as they seem. If the judge over this case immediately charged them with hate crimes, the victim's own testimony would've immediately raised civil rights issues on the behalf of the ATTACKERS. Like it or not, one aspect of fairness and justice is prosecuting people APPROPRIATELY, based on THE LAW and THE FACTS, not hyperinflated emotions and knee-jerk response.

This was simply an unnecessary brawl at a Mcdonalds, unfortunate, but not the hate crime that 4 pages of font suggest, no, insist, no, state as fact to have been.

And if you want the interview link find it yourself, my german shepherd fetches, I don't.

karen_walker +1



EDIT: No, wait, for all the charges of transphobia I endured, I'm gonna give myself 2 points.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Still savoring.......

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Good point, KW...but the fact still remains that we've seen several individuals who are in dire need of home training. From someone...

No one's disputing that, the ferociousness of the attack-- coming back repeatedly for more, is something that needs to be dealt with. But I think we're past the point of home-training. This is the equivalent of a dog that has pissed all over the house, rolled around in it, then pissed some more. When they get to that point it's better to just euthanize.

Or maybe we're wrong, maybe these birds will go on to become college professors and win Nobel prizes for peace or mathematics.