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School Suspends Teacher After Gay Marriage Facebook Comment

Well, I almost throw up reading about how reactionary christian asshat teachers sound off on homo issues so I guess he and I are even.
 
I think he's overreacting to same sex marriage.

Perhaps he's another self loathing closet case who's beaten into a hateful mess by religion.

This is like a broken record. The more I learn, the more I understand that religion does as much harm as good in society.

It's really sad. I feel sorry for people who are so narrow minded (not necessarily the religious, I'm speaking of the bigots and haters in general)

:(
 
There are so many issues here:

First of all, it appears that the impact of technology (internet, social networking, texting) has surpassed what we do in our ordinary lives making them more complicated. (I thought computers were supposed to simplify!)

Secondly, the notion of personal Facebook does not exist. Everything is public. The Anthony Weiner saga illustrates that.

Question: what would have happened if the teacher had expressed the same point of view on the editorial page of the local newspaper? As odious as his point of view might be, he has the right to be heard.

I don't think any laws were violated. His statements were repugnant, but that's not against the law. Not understanding the dynamics of the social network is just plain stupid. There's no law against that either.

If I were the principal, I would reinstate him with the understanding that he keep certain opinions to himself in public. If he expresses an intention to "pursue other interests" I would not try to stop him.
 
I don't think any laws were violated.
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The "law" that was violated was an ethics clause in his contract. Part of being a teacher is agreeing to follow the ethical standards of that profession.

Relating your students to a "cesspool" is counter productive to the learning environment...
 
Oh theres god ^^ And i think the studend who talks nice about him made out with him in the lockerooms :p
 
What, same sex marriage!? Not in my lifetime!




Pfft, that's what he gets.
 
did you hear that. he is a nice christian man........ who hates gay people.
 
chrisrobin said:
There are so many issues here:

First of all, it appears that the impact of technology (internet, social networking, texting) has surpassed what we do in our ordinary lives making them more complicated. (I thought computers were supposed to simplify!)

Secondly, the notion of personal Facebook does not exist. Everything is public. The Anthony Weiner saga illustrates that.

Question: what would have happened if the teacher had expressed the same point of view on the editorial page of the local newspaper? As odious as his point of view might be, he has the right to be heard.

I don't think any laws were violated. His statements were repugnant, but that's not against the law. Not understanding the dynamics of the social network is just plain stupid. There's no law against that either.

If I were the principal, I would reinstate him with the understanding that he keep certain opinions to himself in public. If he expresses an intention to "pursue other interests" I would not try to stop him.
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chrisrobin, I am shocked and utterly delighted by your post. I completely agree with your assessment.

Folks, we have got to respect freedom. Liberty is the only political ideology that is going to allow subversive communities (such as ours) to exist. What this teacher said was awful, but he absolutely has the right to say it. We can't pick and choose what rights to honor.

This teacher posted his comment on his facebook page. If he had made his rant in class, that would be different. Any sort of "ethics standards" he agreed to can't legally extend to his personal life, especially considering he works for a PUBLIC school. Public schools, since they are tentacles of the government, are bound by the First Amendment. They don't get the same freedom as private institutions to mandate arbitrary regulations.

I hope the ACLU intervenes on this issue like that did in this case: http://abcnews.go.com/WN/indiana-school-sued-student-athletes-suspended-sexy-pics/story?id=8975121. People do need to understand that social media is public, so any comments posted on social sites are not immune from public scrutiny and attack. They are, however, protected against government censorship and punishment.

If this guy infects his job with his pathetic political views, then by all means terminate him. But don't persecute him just because he says something you don't like. Freedom has to work both ways. I'm not saying we should tolerate bigotry and discrimination. I'm saying we should fight to change the world by enshrining, not destroying, free speech and liberty.
 
If people get to 'have their say' backed by "freedom of speech"... then those of us more intelligent get to use our freedom of speech to call their ass out on it...and if need be, hold them accountable.

Freedom of Speech is so greatly important, but a doubled edged sword, in a way... and I'm personally getting sick and tired of having to hear, "well, they get to have their say"...as if it's a free for all, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. There absolutely is...we get to use our freedom of speech to state why it's wrong.
Just because one has the freedom to say whatever they like doesn't mean they won't, and shouldn't, be held accountable when they cross the line into ignorant, discriminatory and bigoted speech...not to mention that of the factually wrong and illogical.
You get to say what you want...ok. Doesn't mean you get to get away with it...nor does it make you 'right'.
 
When you are a teacher, you are a public employee.

The perception is that, because you are entrusted to educate, you are held accountable to a higher standard than the "average guy on the street."

When you are a teacher, anything you say outside the privacy of your own home is fair game for public scrutiny. Just ask the "soccer moms and dads," or the local reverend. This is magnified when you are teaching in a smaller community.

Facebook is a public forum. Once something is on there, it's there in cyberspace, forever (for that matter, same rule applies here to JUB). My school district has actually strongly suggested that we do not participate in Facebook, because there have been other instances where teachers have made comments that have been cause for job dismissal.

My participation here on JUB is public, but my I keep it far from my job. If at any time, I think that there will be an issue, I will bow out from both Mod Towers and this site.

I could go back and forth debating this, but the bottom line is that the guy made an inappropriate statement in public. He deserves to be called on the rug for it. If he loses his job, it was because of his own bad judgment.
 
though I agree he has the right to say whatever or however he feels about an issue whether I agree with it or not. The fact is it's against the teaching code of ethics of which I'm sure he is familiar with.
 
navigaytion said:
That is a bit of a stretch, and you've taken his statement out of context.
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Considering the sheer numbers, it is not unreasonable to assume that he has gay students. His statement is very much indicative of his bias.

Anyway...
Any sort of "ethics standards" he agreed to can't legally extend to his personal life, especially considering he works for a PUBLIC school.
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Not true.
 
fetaby said:
Considering the sheer numbers, it is not unreasonable to assume that he has gay students. His statement is very much indicative of his bias.
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It's indicative of his prejudice against gay marriage, yes. But his statement of disgust was not directed at the students. You can't automatically pin that on him.
 
navigaytion said:
It's indicative of his prejudice against gay marriage, yes. But his statement of disgust was not directed at the students. You can't automatically pin that on him.
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Yes, because only straight people get gay married... :roll:
 
navigaytion said:
The fact of the matter is that the students were not being targeted, and he wished harm to no one.
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Actually the fact of the matter is that he made a claim that a particular segment of society induces harm, specifically that he is somehow nauseated by those entering into a same sex marriage.

There is nothing sickening about gay people loving each other and committing to each other.

His claim that there is does cause harm. And for the sake of the gay students in his class, his ability to harm them has been minimized.
 
fetaby said:
Actually the fact of the matter is that he made a claim that a particular segment of society induces harm, specifically that he is somehow nauseated by those entering into a same sex marriage.
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There was no mention of harm to anyone. There was only his personal sense of disgust at marriage equality.

There is nothing sickening about gay people loving each other and committing to each other.
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He is disgusted with marriage equality, but you don't know that he's disgusted with gay people and their relationships, in general.

His claim that there is does cause harm. And for the sake of the gay students in his class, his ability to harm them has been minimized.
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It doesn't cause harm anymore than him expressing any other political opinion. Just because some people's feelings are hurt doesn't mean he has harmed them or that he deserves punishment.

Censorship does more harm.
 
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