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SCOTUS rejects Brown V Board history

Andreus

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I'm not sure the alienation of minorities is going to play well in 08 for the presidents gang of five on SCOTUS....Hillary had to say about it....

this is going to stick like glue to the repub candidates during the national conventions.... the Dem candidates will most assuredly harp on this one as a means of highlighting the different parties approaches to minority concerns....

Source... CNN.com



June 28, 2007
Clinton: Court turned its back on ‘Brown v. Board’
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WASHINGTON (CNN) — Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton was quick to criticize a Supreme Court Ruling Thursday that calls for limiting the use of race in when assigning students to public schools, saying the “Court turned its back on the promise of Brown vs. Board of Education.”
The New York senator was referring to the landmark 1954 Supreme Court Ruling that called for the desegregation of public schools.
“At a time when our nation’s schools are increasingly resegregating, we should be championing local efforts to pursue integration and reduce racial inequities in schools,” Clinton said in a statement.”
“These decisions take away the right of local communities to ensure that all students benefit from racially diverse classrooms,” she added. “Recent evidence shows that integrated schools promote minority academic achievement, and can help close the achievement gap.”
On Thursday, The Supreme Court struck down public school choice plans in Seattle and Louisville, concluding they relied on an unconstitutional use of racial criteria, in a sharply worded pair of cases reflecting the deep legal and social divide over the issue of skin color and education.
A conservative majority, led by Chief Justice John Roberts, said other means besides race considerations should be used to achieve diversity in schools.
– CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney
 
It's a step towards achieving a color blind society. Race should never be a factor in any governmental endeavor. Skin color doesn't mean a damn thing. People are people. Now the Supreme court recognizes that. Hopefully, the rest of us will too.
 
I think this is a good thing to happen. Using race for a quota system has always been a problem The KY case, a kindergarten boy,white, lived 5 minutes from school. He had to be bused 90 minutes away to a school "less white". His school had to many "white" kids by school standards,yet still had empty desks.

I don't favor affirmative action of any kind , either.
 
desegregation is core to the fairness of education

i cant imagine what could be wrong with it

the truth is that minority poverty wont be cured until the education system is fixed

this decision puts us back to the fifties and i am worried about the implications for the impoverished inner city children who are already marginalized

it really scares me
 
Black students are not the only ones that can be discriminated against. Our Constitution is supposed to be color-blind. Equal protection for ALL.

Great decision today.
 
Black students are not the only ones that can be discriminated against. Our Constitution is supposed to be color-blind. Equal protection for ALL.

Great decision today.

yay

now everyone is vulnerable to discrimination in education

somehow i dont think that this is progress
 
Andreus a question for you,or anybody.

Should the Federal Government even have a role in the education of the kids ?

Local governments have a much better grasp as to what their kids needs are,and better able to provide for the needs.(Yes the Fed should set Standards ) Local control is alway better to most any thing.

Yes the inter-city will suffer and are at a disadvantage. That is why School Vouchers should be used,so they can find better schools,if they want.
 
this one of those democrat republican answers

i believe that the federal government has the responsibility to insure that all states are complying with a standard that is fair and equitable for all people of all states within the union

if it didnt, then the USA we have today would look alot different

Alot

and not in a good way

if we have the ability to attain a higher standard than a state is currently willing to attempt for no rational reason, then the federal government should legislate to force them to do so... and i believe that for any topic that can affect the citizens as a whole

the most recent thing i can remember was the standardized legal age for the consumption of alcohol

all states that didnt comply to the new age of 21 were deprived of federal highway funds

the last few states moved into compliance at that point and drunk driving deaths drastically declined in their states. they were forced to be the beneficiaries of established standards that were proven to save lives

their citizens profited
 
I don't believe in busing little black kids way out in the country to go to a white school... and busing those little white kids all the way to the inner city.. just seems stupid to me.
 
Andreus a question for you,or anybody.

Should the Federal Government even have a role in the education of the kids ?


Absolutely.

Children in Kentucky ought to have the opportunity to attend public school that provides them with an education on a par with that which they'd receive if they grew up in Connecticut or California.

That's not only fair for the children, it's what's best for our society because those kids will be able to use that education to keep us a productive and competitive society.
 
Nick that is were the Fed Standards come into play. How they are enacted should be a local thing ,me thinks.
 
The KY case, a kindergarten boy,white, lived 5 minutes from school. He had to be bused 90 minutes away to a school "less white". His school had to many "white" kids by school standards,yet still had empty desks.


The circumstances were not exactly that simple.


The school board's program is based on a combination of neighborhood school assignment, choice and racial balancing. In elementary school, each child is assigned to a neighborhood school. If a parent wants a child to go to another school, the parent can choose among as many as 10 schools in an assigned cluster scattered throughout the greater metropolitan area, and transportation is guaranteed.

Meredith's neighborhood school and first choice for her five-year-old son Josh was a year-round school. It had begun classes seven weeks before she registered for school and it was already full. Her second choice was close to her home, but not within her designated cluster. So she was assigned to another school, which was in her cluster, but farther from her house.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6567985
 
Nick that is were the Fed Standards come into play. How they are enacted should be a local thing ,me thinks.


Don't know what you mean by how they're enacted.

Standards have to BE enacted or they don't mean anything.
 
and that is were the problem is, "Her second choice was close to her home, but not within her designated cluster." That was the school that was to White and had room.

BTW color is not a factor. I am sure in Louisville many Blacks have had the same thing happen.

aside from this, The term Cluster really seems to make sense. A Cluster Fuck.
 
and that is were the problem is, "Her second choice was close to her home, but not within her designated cluster." That was the school that was to White and had room.


I know this isn't the root issue under discussion but frankly I have no sympathy for Meredith because she was two months late registering her son for kindergarten -- classes had already been underway for seven weeks by the time she registered. Everybody I know with a kid that age plans a year or more in advance. She's, at least, not a very responsible parent. And what a surprise that such a parent, who didn't do what SHE was supposed to do, would sue the school board because she can't get what she wants.
 
Don't know what you mean by how they're enacted.

Standards have to BE enacted or they don't mean anything.

A standard as in say CAFE Standards for car must be xyz.
How you do that is up to the car company.

Education,a kid must be able to red write,,at xyz How the school does it is up to the parent system .
 
A standard as in say CAFE Standards for car must be xyz.
How you do that is up to the car company.

Education,a kid must be able to red write,,at xyz How the school does it is up to the parent system .


I have no problem with that.

The point is a consistent standard.
 
I don't favor affirmative action of any kind , either.

Without affirmative action.. some minorities would never get a chance to have great jobs/get into great schools. I don't care how qualified they are.. the minority will always have the disadvantage. Affirmative action and other programs levels the playing field. But once they do get in.. they have to do the job successfully and get good grades as well, because that's the only way you will graduate. Bottom line is affirmative action gets you through the door, without it.. schools become more "white".

If you take away these things.. employers/admissions people will start discriminating against blacks, and etc. Since the law somewhat agrees with them... once these programs are taking away.

Let me ask this question.. how many blacks are in management roles at your job?
 
I guess the thing that strikes me most is that this decision should come down the same day the immigration bill died in the senate.

It was a good day for those who wish to build fences to keep them out and want more protection from those already in.
 
Without affirmative action.. some minorities would never get a chance to have great jobs/get into great schools. I don't care how qualified they are.. the minority will always have the disadvantage. Affirmative action and other programs levels the playing field. But once they do get in.. they have to do the job successfully and get good grades as well, because that's the only way you will graduate. Bottom line is affirmative action gets you through the door, without it.. schools become more "white".

If you take away these things.. employers/admissions people will start discriminating against blacks, and etc. Since the law somewhat agrees with them... once these programs are taking away.

Let me ask this question.. how many blacks are in management roles at your job?

the minority will always have the disadvantage. wrong

they have to do the job successfully and get good grades as well, because that's the only way you will graduate. correct

Bottom line is affirmative action gets you through the door, without it.. if you can't open the door by yourself,you should not go in.
 
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