Senate Repeals DADT

[JackFTwist]

very sad about DREAM, very happy about DADT's repeal

 

[chrisrobin]

If I may quote the incomparable Joe Biden, this really is a BFD. Let's hear it for perseverance!

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Senate DADT vote likely on Saturday

McCain is a bigot. If it gets repealed, his head might explode.

Ands certain Republicans would want the brains lacquered over to be preserved as relics.

Your mouth to God's ear! We used to call that a "nervous breakdown." What an image! John McCain in a strait-jacket.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone. Maybe enough to put him in a chair like Stephen Hawking has.
He and Cheney could be the first of the Borg.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Senate DADT vote likely on Saturday

President Obama LIVED & BREATHED the Constitution at Harvard...But people still question why he did what he did...

So, Obama never was a Constitutional professor at the University of Chicago?

No, he was not a "Constitutional professor", he was a lecturer in a narrow aspect of constitutional law. He didn't "live and breathe" the Constitution, he addressed that narrow aspect.

The difference is like that between the ordnance guy on deck 4 on an aircraft carrier and the CAG on the topic of striking at an enemy.

 

[Kulindahr]

2. Separation of powers is maintained.
(Pres. Obama's rejection of using an executive order which still
would have made it possible for a reverse executive order in the future.)

With respect to an executive order, you should have labeled this as "Constitutional Crisis Avoided" -- Obama had no authority to issue an executive order on the matter.

And by the west, Majestic wrote a whole paragraph. Cherry picking what you want to respond to is a sign of weakness.

No, it's a sign of focus.

 

[MoltenRock III]

I saw on the USA Today, and the Post both said in a "historic move" and "groundbreaking expansion of freedoms". Fucking make me puke! Yeah, real "historic" when 38 other nations have gay marriage / civil unions, and the US has only gotten around to letting gay men and women die openly for serving their country. Yeah..... real historic. How many other nations have openly gay people serving in their militaries? 19? 24? More?

What a fucking farce. The only thing "groundbreaking" here is the Senate doing the right thing.

 

[Kulindahr]

Actually, it has passed the Senate. But the full repeal will not occur until the president signs AND the president, SecDef and joint chiefs chairman certify it.

The bill orders a mandatory waiting period, I forgot how long it is.

I'm thinking sometime in the Spring.

The waiting period is a set amount of time. The trick is the certification: Obama will probably be quickest, and I bet Mullens is slowest, because his signing off will mean he's satisfied that everything is set up for the transition to go smoothly.



Those stars on the flag seem a bit bluer, don't they?

 

[Rex]

So is this law actually overturned for real now? Like, there is no going back and other B.S. ?

Is it actually final this time?

 

[Kulindahr]

So is this law actually overturned for real now? Like, there is no going back and other B.S. ?

Is it actually final this time?

Well, conceivably (remotely), Obama could fall over dead, leaving the law unsigned, and then Biden could choke on some Christmas treat and die, too, and a massive blizzard could paralyze Washington, D.C. so that by the time a new President could be sworn in, it would be a certain weeping Republican by the name of Boehner, who would exercise his "pocket veto" to kill it.

To avoid that, Congress could just recess, not adjourn, and it would become law regardless, unsigned.

So to be REALLY safe, Congress shouldn't adjourn until Obama signs it.

 

[hotatlboi]

DADT is still in force for now, meaning that it isn't ok for gay service members to come out yet. It will be in place for a least a few more months. But the repeal is a certainty now.

 

[Rex]

As for DADT being law, it's now as good as gone.

There is now an executive process set in motion that will culminate with a complete integration of open gays in the military. How long it takes is an angle of a few months.

In that case, this calls for a celebration with some music and dancing bannanas.

WOOOOoooo! As a military member this is great news.

 

[Kulindahr]

DADT is still in force for now, meaning that it isn't ok for gay service members to come out yet. It will be in place for a least a few more months. But the repeal is a certainty now.

True -- and important to remember.

What the vote in Congress did was like putting the bag over the prisoner's head and tying it off. Obama signing it will be like putting the bugger's head on the block. Certification will be swinging the axe.


Then we just have to make sure that the Reptheocrats don't get the head and stick it on a pole and start over.

 

[CoolBlue71]

Re: Senate DADT vote likely on Saturday

Right before election day, Kirk was portraying himself as an independent. When he compared his victory to "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" I wanted to puke. If I say anything further, I will be violating JUB posting (and George Carlin) standards.

He's one of the best U.S. Senators (Karl Rove money) can buy. He's not to be trusted.

Hopefully Mark Kirk is a one-term Senator. His seat has lately been flipping: 1998 (D to R), 2004 (R to D), and 2010 (D to R). It would help if -- in a realignment presidential period with Advantage: Democratic Party -- Team Blue wins a third consecutive term in Election 2016.

 

[hotatlboi]

Re: Senate DADT vote likely on Saturday

Hopefully Mark Kirk is a one-term Senator. His seat has lately been flipping: 1998 (D to R), 2004 (R to D), and 2010 (D to R). It would help if -- in a realignment presidential period with Advantage: Democratic Party -- Team Blue wins a third consecutive term in Election 2016.

Kirk voted for repeal. That shows he is probably not a far right shill to me.

 

[Glafna]

Congrats guys. One step closer to full equality.
Well.. as full equality as we can get.

 

[Apollo]

Posted by metta in the hot topics thread.

Moments ago, the Senate voted to end "Don't Ask, Don't Tell."

When that bill reaches my desk, I will sign it, and this discriminatory law will be repealed.

Gay and lesbian service members -- brave Americans who enable our freedoms -- will no longer have to hide who they are.

The fight for civil rights, a struggle that continues, will no longer include this one.

This victory belongs to you. Without your commitment, the promise I made as a candidate would have remained just that.

Instead, you helped prove again that no one should underestimate this movement. Every phone call to a senator on the fence, every letter to the editor in a local paper, and every message in a congressional inbox makes it clear to those who would stand in the way of justice: We will not quit.

This victory also belongs to Senator Harry Reid, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and our many allies in Congress who refused to let politics get in the way of what was right.

Like you, they never gave up, and I want them to know how grateful we are for that commitment.

Will you join me in thanking them by adding your name to Organizing for America's letter?

I will make sure these messages are delivered -- you can also add a comment about what the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" means to you.

As Commander in Chief, I fought to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" because it weakens our national security and military readiness. It violates the fundamental American principles of equality and fairness.

But this victory is also personal.

I will never know what it feels like to be discriminated against because of my sexual orientation.

But I know my story would not be possible without the sacrifice and struggle of those who came before me -- many I will never meet, and can never thank.

I know this repeal is a crucial step for civil rights, and that it strengthens our military and national security. I know it is the right thing to do.

But the rightness of our cause does not guarantee success, and today, celebration of this historic step forward is tempered by the defeat of another -- the DREAM Act. I am incredibly disappointed that a minority of senators refused to move forward on this important, commonsense reform that most Americans understand is the right thing for our country. On this issue, our work must continue.

Today, I'm proud that we took these fights on.

Please join me in thanking those in Congress who helped make "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" repeal possible:

http://my.barackobama.com/Repealed

Thank you,

Barack

 

[fasteddy]

Finally, one less piece of insanity, makes you want to join in and sing along...........


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[IllgetyouHackman]

I saw on the USA Today, and the Post both said in a "historic move" and "groundbreaking expansion of freedoms". Fucking make me puke! Yeah, real "historic" when 38 other nations have gay marriage / civil unions, and the US has only gotten around to letting gay men and women die openly for serving their country. Yeah..... real historic. How many other nations have openly gay people serving in their militaries? 19? 24? More?

What a fucking farce. The only thing "groundbreaking" here is the Senate doing the right thing.

It is historic in an American context...So could you please give it up already, because quite honestly your language and rhetoric in that post made me want to puke. Just get over yourself.

 

[Sausy]

I'm very happy with the repeal of DADT,and credit has to go to President Obama who said he would make ending discrimination against gays serving in the military(in the guise of DADT)one of his main priorities.He said it would end under his watch,and he delivered.I'll have a good number of disagreements with his policies but on this he deserves a great deal of credit and appreciation,as do those Democratic leaders who have made ending DADT a major priority and have worked hard to secure this passage of its repeal.

Thanks also to the eight Republicans who defied the social right to do the right thing.

 

[Stardreamer]

Re: Senate DADT vote likely on Saturday

Is it really a Victory?

Here's the thing folks...Since 2008 The Obama Administration and the CURRENT Democrats in Congress has done more for the Gay Community than any previous Administration & Congress in our American History...It's certainly not appreciated...

There's a portion of the Gay Community that HATES President Obama and could careless about Bills he pass that will allow Gays in our country to feel like "Citizens"...


So who is this a Victory for? Conservative Gays & Moderate Dems in the Gay Community still plan on not voting in 2012 or vote for a Republican or continue Praying that the Democratic Party nominates another Candidate to run.....


Over the last 2yrs The Obama Administration has tackled most of the issues they stumped on and it's still not enough..It's VERY interesting that The Obama Administration only received 70% of the "Gay Vote" in 2008, yet President Obama is FEARLESS when he speaks about Gay Rights and has passed more Bills for Gays than any other struggling Group......That 70% of Gay Supporters has dwindled down to about 50% or less...How Fucking TWISTED is that...It's comical when you think about it..


So who is the "Victor" in all of this?

As someone who did NOT vote for Obama in 2008 and has been very disappointed with most of his performance so far, I been rather impressed with his performance since the election. If the Republicans continue to disappoint and Obama continues to show growth in the job, I am beginning to consider Obama worth voting for in 2012 but that still a ways off.

Gays and Bis are not robots that all march to a single tune, they cover the spectrum of political theory and many aren't single issue voters regardless of how relevant the single issue may be to them. They may feel that advancing gay rights is secondary to a fear that Keynesian economics will destroy the country or that the war on terror is important for national security or that the health care plan will bankrupt the nation or just may be part of the majority of Americans who just feel the US is going in the wrong direction.

Of course now will come the inevitable hyperbole about Republicans, slavery and extermination camps but really that is about as (actually a little less likely) than the hyperbole that Democrats are going to implement Soviet style Communism and start loading rich people on trains.