Shooting at Colorado high school

[LeicsDom]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25378389

A teenager opened fire with a shotgun at a Colorado high school, wounding two students before killing himself.

I now it is going to be an unpopular view from the right wing Yanks, but when is the US going to realise that making it harder to own guns will stop this sensless killing?

 

[unloadonme]

Events like this happen so often that they're hardly newsworthy any longer.

 

[chrisrobin]

Events like this happen so often that they're hardly newsworthy any longer.

Spoken for truth.

 

[Vitamin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25378389

A teenager opened fire with a shotgun at a Colorado high school, wounding two students before killing himself.

I now it is going to be an unpopular view from the right wing Yanks, but when is the US going to realise that making it harder to own guns will stop this sensless killing?

The solution to violence and overcrowded prisons should not be to make more Americans criminals.

 

[Stardreamer]

I'm still waiting for more details but what I've heard so far the boy used a shotgun taken from his own home, likely a father's hunting weapon, and possibly had one or more Molotov cocktails (an improvised incendiary device made by putting a rag into a liquor bottle). About the only realistically proposed gun laws that might have had an affect here is trigger locks and gun safe laws.

 

[LeicsDom]

The U. S. all got together and decided that the gun didn't cause the vindictive little shit to head to class yesterday and attempt to get revenge on a teacher he didn't like.

You still can't see it, can you?
This happens so rarely in UK because it is a lot harder to get hold of guns.
If the 'vindictive litttle shit' hadn't been able to get a gun he couldn't have done it. QED

 

[Willie Boy]

The U. S. all got together and decided that the gun didn't cause the vindictive little shit to head to class yesterday and attempt to get revenge on a teacher he didn't like. He shot the other two students in frustration as he attempted to find his real victim.

We checked some data and learned it wasn't the availability of weapons that produced these episodes of rage, but the engendering of a culture of entitlement, mixed with rabid militarism masked as patriotism. The mix, as we were all amused to finally figure out, is quite lethal when fed to the mentally unstable or to the ungoverned will of a disgruntled teenager (it wasn't entirely clear that there was a difference in the two types of perps.)

He left a note saying that he had never been spanked as a young child so had never learned to curb his outrages. We haven't confirmed yet whether he was cut or uncut.

We also decided to have corn flakes for breakfast yesterday and watch some TV and stay up late. The U.S. had a pretty good day yesterday, except for that thing in Colorado.

Snarky comment..... But quite accurate, although the US Government, as a whole, has yet to understand.

 

[m1thousand]

I think it might get worse when 3D printers are available because guns can be made with 3D printers. Homemade plastic guns that can pass through metal detectors (in case a school has a metal detector)

 

[Yuki Sohma]

I do not honestly understand all or part of a youth's realization that killing is okay because it solves their immediate problems and it seems those students who do go over the edge also commit suicide. If anyone can figure out how to prevent suicidal behavior you need to share with all of us. I've had too many (one is too many) friends kill thenmselves as a way out.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

To not care about living must be very painful.

 

[Stardreamer]

A suspected motive is now out, the boy was kicked off the school's debate team, the teacher he was looking for was the team's coach.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

A suspected motive is now out, the boy was kicked off the school's debate team, the teacher he was looking for was the team's coach.

$hit, really he killed because of the debate team.

 

[Willie Boy]

I wouldn't want to have disappointed Leics after all the trouble he went to in setting up the bait.

Positing that no one could disagree with his solution without becoming a right wingnut is a too-convenient predicate.

True, but I enjoy your entertaining response to it, far more than I enjoyed his comment to begin with.

To not care about living must be very painful.

Not really. The painful part is getting to the point of not caring.... Once there the pain is actually gone. What's left is an empty sadness.

A suspected motive is now out, the boy was kicked off the school's debate team, the teacher he was looking for was the team's coach.

Its been out since the beginning, where have you been?

 

[rareboy]

Well at least we know why he didn't make the debate team.

His insistence on just blowing the other team away instead of being able to actually articulate his point of view just didn't fir within the rules.

 

[Stardreamer]

Its been out since the beginning, where have you been?

Hasn't been in any of the news stories I have read until today.

 

[Kulindahr]

My solution would be:

-Pay more attention to the mentally ill and get them help. The ones who are quiet are the ones most ignored, and it's usually the quiet ones who are dangerous
-Keep drug addicts out of prison, and the real killers and rapists in prison
-Schools need to have metal detectors, security doors, bulletproof glass and all sorts of measures to keep the violent people out
-Stop glorifying violent movies and games. People like to think those aren't the problem, but for people with mental issues and twisted behavior/thinking, it's a teacher to their dark side
-Keep guns away from the youth, criminals and government. Can't trust any of them

First three would help some, the next probably not, and the last... cute.

What we need is COngress to step up and exercise its power to regulate the militia. Specifically, to address this instance, if that gun belonged to someone else who just left it laying around, that person should also be penalized -- members of a well-regulated, i.e. disciplined and trained to be safe, don't leave firearms laying around fr others to use.

But, as it has been argued ad nauseum, those with criminal intent will find a gun. Being harder to find will not stop the psychos, or in this case, probably just the malevolent.

I don't see other cultures with the sense of entitlement that Americans have, the expectation to express individual ego mixed with a violent pop culture. Add to that the toxic mix of a constant diet of satire and disrespect for all authority figures, and it is not rocket science to figure out that these folks cannot accept being thwarted by a teacher who doesn't cater to some whim.

If there is a kid who believes he can attack a teacher, he will find a way to do so, with or without the guns.

Japan has become the sometime victim of students attacking teachers too, just not in the same percentages. It is likely tied to the increasing Westernization of Japanese children, and just plain spoiling.

I've never owned a gun, never hunted animals, and never carried weaponry for personal protection. I've never voted Republican except for my city's mayor. I favor restriction of assault weapons and automatic rifles, but this was with a shotgun. There will always be shotguns in a country that has wildlife hunting, and a scheming little psycho will always find a way to get one.

Proposing a total gun ban would in fact trigger actual revolution in some areas of these United States.

And exactly what would have prevented him from fashioning his Molotov cocktail?

Do you honestly believe a young English kid has the same issues with arrogance and power that so many American kids do?

Those are already fully regulated. Those saying otherwise are lying for political gain.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

To not care about living must be very painful.

Not really. The painful part is getting to the point of not caring.... Once there the pain is actually gone. What's left is an empty sadness.

...& said emptiness leads to destructive behavior. I understand that the killer shot anothert student in the head,,,"in the head'.........such a sad horrible action......why kill another student..........just go a head and end your life if that is your sad end objective.

 

[Kulindahr]

I think it might get worse when 3D printers are available because guns can be made with 3D printers. Homemade plastic guns that can pass through metal detectors (in case a school has a metal detector)

I'm not worried about plastic guns -- so far, even with experts working on the problem, no printed gun manages more than a handful of shots before it blows up. Unless you want to go to materials that would make a printed gun cost hundreds or thousands of dollars, it just can't be done yet. OTOH, many gun parts can be printed, the ones that don't take much of a shock, but that's not enough to make a gun "invisible". So though 3D printers are becoming widely available, it will be some time before one will be capable of printing a useful firearm... there are some thing they could print now that could be very deadly, but I'm not going to specify.

 

[cgymike]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-25378389

A teenager opened fire with a shotgun at a Colorado high school, wounding two students before killing himself.

I now it is going to be an unpopular view from the right wing Yanks, but when is the US going to realise that making it harder to own guns will stop this sensless killing?

You can take the gun out of the culture but not the culture out of the gun. UK just has a different social makeup/history. OK...not explaining myself well but it isn't the availability of guns. It's a violence prone culture goes back to manifest destiny and all that. UK not all similar...

But Colorado seems to have more than a fair share of these events....

 

[Yuki Sohma]

3D printers printing weapons