Should Texas secede from the U.S.?

[The Warmth]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

^Right, the higher the income a person has, the more privilege and mobility they possess. People with upper-middle class standing are able to find a good life anywhere, I fail to see how that takes away from the bigger picture.

Again I'm simply perplexed as to what angle you're going for here. When discussing something as opinion-based and relative as desirable places to live, no one is really right or wrong.

 

[The Warmth]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Yes.

Even here in marvelously liberal Oregon (with the highest unemployment rate in the country) construction projects are continuing, certain businesses are thriving, it's still difficult to get a table or a drink in many cafes and bars, friends are making more money than ever, life can be good. Even if it isn't, statistically.

Speaking of statistics, I did a quick search of suicide rates and found Oregon at 10th (no surprise, you can get a doctor to assist you), Washington at 21, and Texas coming in at 38. What, if anything, should we make of these stats? Is Oregon a "shithole" too?

Well, no, actually. On the grander scale I find suicide to be beneficial than anything else.

Curious as to where else you'll take this. I do believe we've been through this before, you're the uppity prick who had to comment on any and all my opinions in the "best city" thread.

 

[tonyboy]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Apparently, our Governor thinks we should.

Article: Perry says Texas can leave the union if it wants to

Actually Texas does have certain rights granted to them that no other state has.

They entered the Union after being an independent country.
The were given the right to form 5 or 6 states out of there territory if they chose to do so.
They are the only state that is allowed the right to place their state flag at the same height as the American Flag.... All other states are to place their flags below the US flag.


There is no way in hell that they would leave the USA.... but I think the Gov is right in sayng that they could do so legally.... far different than when the southern states tried to leave in 1861.

 

[TickTockMan]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Not if it means losing you Piggy. I haven’t got to play with your tail yet.



I do got a passport though.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Actually Texas does have certain rights granted to them that no other state has.

They entered the Union after being an independent country.
The were given the right to form 5 or 6 states out of there territory if they chose to do so.
They are the only state that is allowed the right to place their state flag at the same height as the American Flag.... All other states are to place their flags below the US flag.


There is no way in hell that they would leave the USA.... but I think the Gov is right in sayng that they could do so legally.... far different than when the southern states tried to leave in 1861.

I'm not sure they still could legally secede, but could you imagine if Texas became five states, and had ten senators in the US Senate?

 

[hermanding]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

it will not happen. as danny says, he is playing to his base. but texas has its own history - the only state that was its own republic. it has a self image for better or worse, and some places do not have that. perhaps, it could apply to become one of the states of Mexico
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[maxpowr9]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

[STRIKE]As diverse of an economy it might be, [/STRIKE]Texas is for all intents and purposes a complete shithole.

Texas does not have a diverse economy. I am taking a class specifically discussing economic innovation. The top 10 states with diverse economies are...

1. MA
2. CT
3. NJ
4. PA
5. CA
6. NY
7. MN
8. IL
9. VA
10. NC

This is based upon the 2008 study of the Innovation Economy Index. My prof heads the board so she clearly knows what she is talking about.

http://www.masstech.org/institute/index2008-21909.pdf

 

[The Warmth]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

This is based upon the 2008 study of the Innovation Economy Index. My prof heads the board so she clearly knows what she is talking about.

HAH, that makes it so much better.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Wait why does the governor want to secede? What happened are "state's" rights being stepped on again?

 

[Lukeee]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Is being un-American a bad thing? I think I am un-American, not sure.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

So what are they gonna take the rest of the south with them to form a new Confederacy or just Texas as a nation itself?

 

[LittleDove]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I graciously retract prior statement about treason. After doing some research, and oh I love to research, I found that nowhere in the constitution does it bar a state from secession. No such act is treasonous, but it is still bad form.

But, as that paragon of conservatism, Chief Justice John Marshall long-ago pointed out, nowhere does the Constitution give any individual state, nor any collection of individual states, the right to dissolve it or their union with the rest of the nation.

As far as treason goes, as the Constitution narrowly and rigidly defines it, the actual act of secession may not constitute treason. However, the acts which would almost necessarily result from such a declaration would, most likely, constitute treason, especially if the US government sought to enforce Federal law.

 

[rickston69]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

It certainly may not be treason to want to leave the Union however it is certainly an anti-American stance to take or to even mention the possibility of it. I also thought Texans were so patriotic and pro-American; guess that is only when it's convenient for them. Why isn't Homeland Security investigating this? That kind of talk smells of a possible revolt and government takeover.

Personally I say let them go and take Chuck Norris, Perry, Bush and all the other nuts that want to leave with them. It would be great to see how they would fight off Mexico when they decide to take back what was once theirs.

If there is anyone else in the country that is unhappy with our current administration, then go with them too. If there isn't enough room for everyone, then send them to Iraq and let them live in the land their War Gods invaded and destroyed.

Ann Richards is probably rolling over in her grave with even the mention of secession.

 

[JSB_01]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

So what are they gonna take the rest of the south with them to form a new Confederacy or just Texas as a nation itself?

Probably just Texas by itself. I don't think the other southern states would want to separate from the US. It may lead to another civil war! But it's all hypothetical.
As Republican as Texas may be, if the governor were to try and secede, he'd fail. Texans are a little to pro-America to do that. I'm pro-America, too, but not in the sense that I think we're the greatest in everything. Texas could be so much better than it is, but it'll take a change in the minds of its citizens before the state improves.

Oh, and good luck with Mexico - you'll sorely need it.

We already need help with that. There are way too many illegal immigrants coming in. Not to mention drug trafficking. Unfortunately, this is not a problem easily solved. But that's another thread altogether!

 

[spooger]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

the USA is a federation of states...supposedly with rights reseved for the states to protect them from the overbearing powers of a centralized government....

that is essentially what the premise of the civil war was...states's rights.....slavery was a secondary issue...

it is only by historic precedent post civil war that the centralized government has become so overwhelmingly powerful...in many people's view.....too powerful ... and contrary to the principles of the Founding Fathers

in actuality any state has the right to secede from the union....and should if the federation abuses its powers....

 

[metta]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Yes, but you have to take the other red states around you with you.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Yes, but you have to take the other red states around you with you.

yes please take the redneck trash with you!

However then again, we need the south for its conservative Republican party. As liberal and democratic as I am, we need both parties to keep a balance. Too much liberal control can cause damage as well as too much conservative control can cause damage. Then again The north still has a conservative base which would still keep a check and balance system. Ok yeah lets get rid of them!

If there is another civil war, as scared as I am of war and a big wuss.. that is the ONLY war I'd gladly fight for with honor... go shoot some rednecks/hicks and I can't get arrested because I'll be in the military and a war.

 

[metta]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

yes please take the redneck trash with you!

However then again, we need the south for its conservative Republican party. As liberal and democratic as I am, we need both parties to keep a balance. Too much liberal control can cause damage as well as too much conservative control can cause damage. Then again The north still has a conservative base which would still keep a check and balance system. Ok yeah lets get rid of them!

If there is another civil war, as scared as I am of war and a big wuss.. that is the ONLY war I'd gladly fight for with honor... go shoot some rednecks/hicks and I can't get arrested because I'll be in the military and a war.

I disagree. The US power is currently between the extremist right wing (Republicans) who have the ability to lie to themselves and Moderates. I do not consider the Democrats to be liberal.

The conservative party should be the Liberatians or the Independent Party, not the Republicans. The Republican party needs to go.

The Green Party is a liberal Party, as are some of the others.

Most people in the US do not know what liberal is if they think that the Democrats are liberal.


Any political party that takes an offical stance against equal civil rights must lose their political power. Just as if the KKK gained power, I would want to see their polital power to naturally disinitigrate.

 

[Kurn]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

On whose authority is it treason?

It would be treason if an act of succession were enforced by arms. "Levying war" against the United States is the singular premise for a charge of treason in the Constitution.
The subsidiary charge is "giving aid and comfort to their enemies" which is often grounds for a primary premise if the enemy is foreign.

The relevant Constitutional passage is in Article III which substantiates the Judicial Power, Section 3, defining and circumscribing the grounds for a charge of Treason, which is as follows:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Constitution, recapitulating, restricts the application of this word. The President, for instance, could be ever-so hot-headed, and find himself throwing this accusation at somebody, but only this precise definition can be Treason in the United States.

The second part of Section 3 further restricts the charge of Treason to the "life of the person attainted." In other words, the family of a traitor or his or her descendants would not be attainted. The category for Treason, in American constitutional English is "attainder." Treason is charged by a "Bill of Attainder" and "attainting" someone conjures up the image of putting a black mark on them or on their name or escutcheon (varpen).

 

[Spiff]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Sure, let those Texan rednecks suck seed. They're good at it.