Should Texas secede from the U.S.?

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I disagree. The US power is currently between the extremist right wing (Republicans) who have the ability to lie to themselves and Moderates. I do not consider the Democrats to be liberal.

The conservative party should be the Liberatians or the Independent Party, not the Republicans. The Republican party needs to go.

The Green Party is a liberal Party, as are some of the others.

Most people in the US do not know what liberal is if they think that the Democrats are liberal.


Any political party that takes an offical stance against equal civil rights must lose their political power. Just as if the KKK gained power, I would want to see their polital power to naturally disinitigrate.

What would you consider the democratic party then.. conservative, or liberal?

The democratic party is NOT as conservative as the republican party. The democratic party is all the gay community has.. as well as other minorities and people who are struggling. It may not be a perfect party and it did originally dominate the white trash party and slavery issues. The republican party HAS done some good things.. but every star shines its brightest before it fades out... I think now that the issue of slavery in the south is over as well as segregationist acts.. the Republican party was no longer needed over time. The democratic party slowly took the liberal stance and though it isn't as liberal as many would like it to be.. its better then nothing. I consider myself Green Party but I didn't throw my vote away. Obama is better then McCain... and he needed every vote he could get. Cynthia McKinney was a good choice but had I voted for her... the vote would've been wasted and one less Republican vote would've been canceled out

 

[Triple G]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

If you read the Constitution, the Federal Government has VERY limited powers. With the help of corrupt Federal courts Washington has unconstitutionally sized almost unlimited power. 80% of what they do is illegal. It is time states start secessing and regain their rights

 

[Kurn]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

As to the "Southern Premise." This premise for secession would be valid under the Articles of Confederation. Under the US Constitution it is not and has not been since George Washington took the Oath of Office as President of the United States.

A secession of any state would potentially be a violation of the right of citizens of the state to be guaranteed a government which is republican in form. That is, if even a small percentage of the population of that state wished to continue as citizens of the United States, they would, of constitutional right, have their continuation as such enforced by arms if necessary. This statement adheres very strictly to the Constitution. The guarantee of a republican government is like the guarantee of a person's private property.

Secession might be possible. But only through meticulous and peaceful channels.

 

[bike10]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Governor Perry must have slept though his history classes. No state can leave the union. But if Texas does take the land of Plain with you. But don't come asking for assistance for hurricanes or other disasters.

 

[Kurn]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

If you read the Constitution, the Federal Government has VERY limited powers. With the help of corrupt Federal courts Washington has unconstitutionally sized almost unlimited power. 80% of what they do is illegal. It is time states start secessing and regain their rights

This is not a true statement. A careful reading of the Constitution--ALL of the Constitution will reflect that this is not a true statement.

 

[voyager6]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

can we invade them for their oil, if they do it ?!

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Yes. And then we can take a big knife and cut it out.. we'll let it float out into the ocean. See how they can swim.

 

[Kurn]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

We don't try anyone for treason anymore. There's been plenty of people who gave aid to our enemies. Some serve in Congress.

Should citizens who don't read the Constitution vote? I think Mr. Jefferson would say, Yes, they still should be able to vote, unless they are obviously mentally incapacitated or something.
I'm afraid that many commentators on Talk Radio are actually closer to Treason.
Read the constitution carefully. ALL OF IT.

The often-cited 10th Amendment, by the way, in effect, provides that if the People wish to have the State provide reasonable measures for the General Welfare, they may direct that it do so. (This is not the usual way that this Amendment is treated in Talk-Radio-land.)

 

[GL]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

texas will not secede from the union.

period.

this is much ado about nothing. this is about a clod hopper from west texas who lucked into the office and because nobody could field a better candidate stayed on riding the "red" wave. now he's faced with losing an election, before the campaign has begun in the form of kay bailey hutchison. she has made it plain that she will run for the office when she leaves the senate. perry is barely liked in texas and is desperately trying to remain viable.

 

[JasunStrikesBack]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

OK, Texas can't leave on their own but can the rest of us black ball them and throw them out?

 

[GL]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

yeah, i guess if you want...

 

[metta]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

What would you consider the democratic party then.. conservative, or liberal?

Again, the Democrat party is a moderate party. It is not a liberal party.
The CURRENT Replublican party is an extremist party. It is not CURRENTLY a conservative party. It is more of a party where one goes to feel superior and self righteous than other people.

 

[harristate]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

texas will not secede from the union.

period.

this is much ado about nothing. this is about a clod hopper from west texas who lucked into the office and because nobody could field a better candidate stayed on riding the "red" wave. now he's faced with losing an election, before the campaign has begun in the form of kay bailey hutchison. she has made it plain that she will run for the office when she leaves the senate. perry is barely liked in texas and is desperately trying to remain viable.

You've just said exactly what I was thinking as I read this thread. Rick Perry's statements were nothing but a publicity stunt geared toward his future campaign against Kay Bailey Hutchison, which he'll probably lose. And boy did he have a captive audience with a capital lawn full of right-wing extremists, most of whom hate President Obama simply because he's not a white male. The Republican party has been taken over by religious zealots and other extremists that are, in my opinion, the Taliban's equal when it comes to human rights violations and lack (or ignorance of) compassion, understanding and empathy for people with different beliefs than their own. Compared to these frighteningly stupid and narrow-minded people, the Democrats (like me) are more "moderate" than ever.

 

[GL]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

You've just said exactly what I was thinking as I read this thread. Rick Perry's statements were nothing but a publicity stunt geared toward his future campaign against Kay Bailey Hutchison, which he'll probably lose. And boy did he have a captive audience with a capital lawn full of right-wing extremists, most of whom hate President Obama simply because he's not a white male. The Republican party has been taken over by religious zealots and other extremists that are, in my opinion, the Taliban's equal when it comes to human rights violations and lack (or ignorance of) compassion, understanding and empathy for people with different beliefs than their own. Compared to these frighteningly stupid and narrow-minded people, the Democrats (like me) are more "moderate" than ever.

i like you already! and obviously i agree with your points.

dallas, huh? i've popped into dallas from time to time... great town!

 

[Joshua_me]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Not only should Texas secede but I wouldn't stop there..

I 'd insist they take Florida with them. We'd keep Virginia and North Carolina.

That way, the rest of the country can get settled into the 21'st century,and leave them to burn books,speak in tongues,slave for shit wages and wave their flags as their quality of life declines to lower than a roaches belly.More importantly, they would leave the rest of us alone.

Now hold on there, Pony-Boy....

Don't drag my state of Florida into this...

Well, not ALL of it, anyway. Remember we're basically a red state with blue trim....

Just take out any part more than 10 miles away from the coastline.

 

[metta]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Now hold on there, Pony-Boy....

Don't drag my state of Florida into this...

Well, not ALL of it, anyway. Remember we're basically a red state with blue trim....

Just take out any part more than 10 miles away from the coastline.

Josh-man, I have to agree with Kenny on this one. Think about it - with global warming, Florida's coast are going to end up under water. Look what is left. You are just going to have to move to California before they leave with Texas.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Now hold on there, Pony-Boy....

Don't drag my state of Florida into this...

Well, not ALL of it, anyway. Remember we're basically a red state with blue trim....

Just take out any part more than 10 miles away from the coastline.

exactly We will keep florida and forgive them for their associate with the white trash ex confederacy. They have now moved towards a liberal base and are starting to slowly grow up finally. Same for Virginia.

 

[Críostóir]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

OK, Texas joined with rights no other state has. But when there's a dispute over legal rights, there are several ways to resolve the problem:

1. Debate and discuss until you come to consensus (this seldom works with any group over about 20 people)
2. Submit to the authority of an arbiter who both sides agree is impartial
3. Fight a bloody war, and the winner's interpretation is the law thereafter

The states' right of secession was decided by the third method above. No, Texas isn't an exception. It joined the CSA, which (since they lost*) was a treasonous organization within the USA, not a separate country. If Texas had the right to secede, it lost that right by treasonable conspiracy with the CSA. Or if not, at any rate it's been firmly decided that states don't have the right to secede, no matter what the Constitution may say or not say on the matter, and there is clear precedent for how this nation deals with declarations of independence among its states.

I'm taking an ironic tone here, but my point is that in the fabulously unlikely event that Texas voted to secede, it would be stopped from doing so by force, and reduced by war. Another reason it will NOT so vote is that Texans haven't forgotten what happened the last time.

I've often (jokingly, though Texans don't seem to get it) suggested that we should give Texas to Mexico, to even out the two economies. BUT I WAS KIDDING.

I rather like the idea of Texas splitting into multiple states (NBL though that is). If you look at the demographics and election results in the state, I suspect that the division of Texas would result in a net blue-shift in American politics.
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*"Treason is a charge invented by winners as an excuse for hanging the losers." -- Benjamin Franklin

Does Senator Perry fancy himself a Chancellor

If so, may he meet with the same fate.

 

[Críostóir]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I know some very nice liberal people in Houston. Houston is beautiful, as long as you stay in an air-conditioned car while you look at the beautiful oak trees.

The climate there is unspeakable. I was there in October and thought I was going to die of the heat just going from an air-conditioned house to an air-conditioned car. What it's like in July I cannot imagine, except that the Open Mouth Of Hell comes to mind as a fair comparison.

 

[frankfrank]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

CRISTOIR: I know some very nice liberal people in Houston. Houston is beautiful, as long as you stay in an air-conditioned car while you look at the beautiful oak trees.

The climate there is unspeakable. I was there in October and thought I was going to die of the heat just going from an air-conditioned house to an air-conditioned car. What it's like in July I cannot imagine, except that the Open Mouth Of Hell comes to mind as a fair comparison.

I've been there in the summer. Yecch! How cruel.

However I was never "lucky" enough to see what a former friend (he died in 2005) told me that HE once saw while living in Houston. There was a thunderstorm, and the temperature was 104 just AFTER the thunderstorm, and steam was rising from the concrete and asphalt.

Well, if we got rid of Texas (or, more accurately, Texas "got rid of itself" from the U.S.), there's be two less Republican Senators, a mostly-Republican delegation in the U.S. House would also disappear, and a huge number of electoral votes which are almost guaranteed to go toward the Republican Presidential candidate would go away as well.

So, though I have ALWAYS liked Texas and I've always had a good time when visiting there, I wouldn't mind seeing its influences on national elections being nullified by secession! Yes, it's true - I've NEVER had a "bad" time in Texas and I've been there many times.