Should Texas secede from the U.S.?

[Críostóir]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

The Civil War wasn't originally about slavery, it was about states' rights and Lincoln being elected, later did it become about slavery.

This is a fairly typical pro-CSA viewpoint, but not historically accurate. The secession movement was about slavery to begin with. Saying that the war was about states' rights is a lot like saying that WWII was about Pearl Harbor. That was the match; the tinder had been laid long before. I would submit that a fire is more about the tinder than about the match.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

The backlash against TX companies from Americans would be harmful. The companies I mentioned would not be able to survive off TX citizens alone. Texas would not be part of NAFTA so we could tax the hell out of the imports.

TX does have a huge shipping industry, but for what purpose? A majority of it is to bring goods into the US...the US would speed up the rebuilding of it's own coastal ports. Hirricanes are gonna get stronger and more frequent...coastal states are gonna be expensive to maintain.

The space industry in TX is a good source of revenue in the state, I'm not sure why you think that after we removed it, it would not missed.

One of the main reasons people are even talking about this right now is because of taxes and the fact that gov't is "getting so big"...imagine what taxes will be like while the state is building it's infrastructure, currency, restructuring it's gov't, rebuilding your own military -- I'd imagine like a lot of small countries military service would be required for young adults.

But...it could go very smoothly with GW Bush at the helm You'll always have TX's favorite son

The Texas companies you mentioned are some of the best, the backlash would barely harm them. AT&T for example is often the only carrier in some areas, or the best carrier. Not to mention they also have a worldwide presence. These companies arent just stuck in America.

Eventually, Texas would be brought into NAFTA pretty fast, and prob by the US if they want to continue getting their oil refined here, or if they want the oil that from the Gulf of Mexico oil wells that Texas owns. Sure we don't have as much oil as say Canada or some of the middle east, but it is cheaper than Canada's and the middle east has a lot of other countries to deal with now.

As you just mentioned, a lot of goods brought into the texas ports are for Americans. Hello high export taxes and possible protective tariffs for the US (would tariffs effect that kind of thing?) Not to mention building and revamping ports isnt a fast or easy job. So America would be coming to us for awhile.

While NASA is a nice little money grabber, I doubt it as important as your making it out to be. Of course I could be wrong.

Oh taxes would skyrocket in the state. I never said I supported Texas seceding, it would be stupid. While we could survive on our own, there would be a war and we would loose...maybe.

TX hates George Bush, lets get that straight. Even conservatives can't stand that man, we didn't like him as governor, and he was a shitty president. Where you get this "favorite son" is bullshit.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Now that I think about it... if Texas wanted to separate from the union, wouldn't the federal government go down there and keep them under control?

 

[Alpha1851]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

It would be interesting to see Texas...even with their oil money...fund their own military, independently support their massive immigrant population, rebuild a space program (if they were so inclined), fund their own schools, back their own currency, support their own insurance industry (the get hit by some pretty strong storms), fund their schools, register their over 60 folk, guard their borders. It would be odd to look at a map and see Texas as it's own nation.

Since TX is so close to us, they wouldn't need to fund their own military or guard their own borders. Other countries would still be afraid to attack them. It's in our best interest, for the most part, to guard the countries closest to us. If Iraq (or whatever) invaded TX and built up army bases, they'd be that much closer to our soil. I'm sure you already thought of that though.

Isn't TX's population the most overweight in the United States? If so, let's get rid of that state--maybe we'd no longer be an obese country. Getting rid of the big hair alone has got to count for something.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

How exactly would AT&T, a foreign company in this scenario, still operate in the US as it currently does. It couldn't own more than 40%. Radio Shack has had to file for bankruptcy protection.

Well telecommunications is kind of a recession proof business. I mean people are gonna need their phones no matter what to even get a job and keep in touch with the right people. And as I have already, there are some places in the US where they are the ruling company or the only company. I

Again, the US need for TX shipping ports would decline because we'd just speed up rebuilding our own ports. Stuff from Europe would hit the east coast and anything even having to travel into the gulf would just travel to the LA, MS, AL or FL. They couldn't choke hold the US with high taxes or tariffs. We'd just reroute.

I wonder if you read any my actual post or not, I already laid it all out for you, no need to repeat. This is the same question, and you have my answer.

Oil wouldn't be an issue either. Alaska's ANWR would be swiss cheese and west coast off shore drilling would be a non-issue. Canada and other foreign oil sources would fill in if there was a dispute between the US and the nation of TX.

It still takes several years to building off shore drilling port, not to mention the US has to approve it, and you would still have to worry about the environmentalist, and powerful people agaisnt the concept. You would like to think other countries would fill in the amount, forgetting the rising demand in other countries making it almost impossible to just suddenly route more oil to the US. Not to mention there are established deals and agreements that aren't easily broken just because the US neeeds more oil.

It would be extremely interesting to see what the TX constitution would look like when they rewrite it for their new independent status.

Probably wouldnt be as good as the US constitution, but it would work. I would prob move to London if we did secede.

The George Bush comment was a joke...I'm not sure why you're taking this thread as anything other than a casual discussion.

It is a nice casual discussion with tons of fun speculating on what would happen if this actually happened. The George Bush comment just pissed me off though, the rest I am indifferent too. I am liking our conversation though.

 

[Apollo]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Since TX is so close to us, they wouldn't need to fund their own military or guard their own borders. Other countries would still be afraid to attack them. It's in our best interest, for the most part, to guard the countries closest to us. If Iraq (or whatever) invaded TX and built up army bases, they'd be that much closer to our soil. I'm sure you already thought of that though.

Isn't TX's population the most overweight in the United States? If so, let's get rid of that state--maybe we'd no longer be an obese country. Getting rid of the big hair alone has got to count for something.

Lol you'd have to get rid of a lot more than Texas to fix America's obesity problem.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

Lol you'd have to get rid of a lot more than Texas to fix America's obesity problem.

exactly. It has alot to do with lack of nutritional education. That's everywhere. My mom said kids used to be alot skinnier, now most kids are fat because lazy parents get their kids McDonalds because they are too lazy to cook and let them get there hands on nothing but junk food.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

"Don't mess with Texas" is the sort of expression that makes people in the other 49 states roll their eyes.

Don't mess with Texas is a litter control slogan.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

I can't believe anyone but nutjobs would take Perry's implication seriously, the man is about to be eaten by Kay "I am not a crook" Baily and this whole thing is just a bald attempt to gain a base since he lost the other base by being a frikkin retard.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Should Texas secessed from the U.S.?

This is a fairly typical pro-CSA viewpoint, but not historically accurate. The secession movement was about slavery to begin with. Saying that the war was about states' rights is a lot like saying that WWII was about Pearl Harbor. That was the match; the tinder had been laid long before. I would submit that a fire is more about the tinder than about the match.

What he said.

 

[jackoroe]

It is the right of every state to decide if and when they leave this "Union". They joined it freely, they must be allowed to leave should they so desire.

 

[Críostóir]

It is the right of every state to decide if and when they leave this "Union". They joined it freely, they must be allowed to leave should they so desire.

Did you read the thread? This is not the case. We fought a war to decide this little legal issue, and to establish that no, states do NOT have the right to leave the union at all.

 

[jackoroe]

^I stand by the statement.

 

[Críostóir]

But you do not DEFEND the statement. Good. Saves me a lot of work.

 

[jackoroe]

We were British subjects at a point in our history. We decided that that arrangement was no longer to our liking, we changed that arrangement. There is no reason a state could not leave should they decide the Federal Government has exceeded their Constitutional authority. Especially with all the God damned lawyers we have today willing to make the argument.

 

[Críostóir]

There's plenty of reason they couldn't leave. In fact there are four reasons:

1. The US Army
2. The US Navy (not relevant for landlocked states)
3. The US Marines
4. The US Air Force

If you don't think the United States as a whole would strongly suppress any move toward secession, you are seriously in dreamland.

 

[ronboy]

Texas has a wonderfully colorful and proud history.

It was an independent republic from 1836-1845, when it joined the United States as the 28th state.

It is an economic, and cultural leader.

Texans have served important roles in our nation's history (both for good and bad)

Texas is an important part of what makes the United States a diverse, culturally rich nation.

 

[The Warmth]

I've been doing some offhand research, and I'm warming up to the idea of at least visiting, however I'd probably stick to Austin. It sounds like a decent place.

 

[Críostóir]

Texas has a wonderfully colorful and proud history.

It was an independent republic from 1836-1845, when it joined the United States as the 28th state.

It is an economic, and cultural leader.

Texans have served important roles in our nation's history (both for good and bad)

Texas is an important part of what makes the United States a diverse, culturally rich nation.

Explain what you mean by the red portion? I don't disagree with any or the rest of this post, but I find it impossible to comprehend how anyone could believe that part. Serious question.

 

[Boyz615]

I thinking it a political thing. White people don't like being told what to do by a black president. Why secede now when Bush F*ck the economy up. I see it as a cry baby...Maybe this time the Mexican can retake Texas, Remember the Alamo!