So, depression and suicide are NOT hot topics.

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Now here is something to cheer everyone up.

 

[gsdx]

An now, a few words on depression and suicide from Gene Simmons:

In an interview with Songfacts.com, Simmons essentially dismissed depression as a mental disorder. "For a putz 20-year-old kid to say, 'I'm depressed. I live in Seattle.' Fuck you, then kill yourself. I never understand, because I always call them on their bluff. I'm the guy who says 'Jump' when there's a guy on top of a building who says, 'That's it, I can't take it anymore. I'm going to jump.' Are you kidding? Why are you announcing it? Shut the fuck up, have some dignity and jump! You've got the crowd," Simmons said. "By the way, you walk up to the same guy on a ledge who threatens to jump and put a gun to his head, 'I'm going to blow your fuckin' head off.' He'll go, 'Please don't.' It's true. He's not that insane."

Mötley Crüe bassist Nikki Sixx chastised Simmons on his Sixx Sense radio show. "It's pretty moronic because [Simmons] thinks everybody listens to him, that he is the God of Thunder. He will tell you he is the greatest man on earth, and to be honest with you, I like Gene. But in this situation, I don't like Gene. I don’t like Gene's words," Sixx said. "There is a 20-year-old kid out there who is a Kiss fan and reads this and goes, 'You know what? He's right. I should just kill myself.'"

Sixx added, "For people who are depressed, there is a way out. There are many, many ways out. And I don't want people to listen to an interview from a rock star, who's telling you the only way out is out."

Full Report: https://ca.music.yahoo.com/gene-sim...anger-nikki-sixx-213100085-rolling-stone.html
Full Interview: http://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/gene_simmons_of_kiss/

 

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Now here is something to cheer everyone up.

Didn't he just get back from a recent banning?

 

[medic1]

^Yes he did, seems to be a habit with him.

 

[The Fly]

It seems the Mods are treating this as it's treated in everyday society. Hush it up and move it out of view.

People who are dealing with depression and suicidal thoughts go to the H&W forum for help with their situation, not a discussion.

Members have said that the HT forum is just superficial and silly...........maybe this is why. Anything serious in nature is wrapped up, locked down, and shuttled away.

I've never had to deal with depression, thankfully. But am fairly well acquainted with suicide, unfortunately.

They are serious subjects, but not taboo.

 

[bankside]

I found this thread, and the other thread, like I find all new threads: by clicking "New Posts" in the toolbar at the top. I have no idea what section of the forum this thread is in. I know I could look, but I don't find it that relevant as a poster on any subject. I rarely do know what section a thread is in, so to be honest I can't figure out the fuss.

I get that it might not be convenient for people who have a different browsing style than me, but it makes zero difference to my experience here where something is posted. If somebody is asking for help, I try not to pile on and beat them down whether they're in hot topics or a "no flame zone" which is about the only time when forum rules are relevant anyway. Other than that it is just a feature for organizational convenience that I never use. I do not think it is an example of a conspiracy or indifference. I just find that unconvincing completely.

People here have lots to say on this topic; I'd rather hear their views on the actual subject than a meta-discussion about how or where we talk about the subject.

 

[gsdx]

Didn't he just get back from a recent banning?

^Yes he did, seems to be a habit with him.

This time, I believe he wanted 'out'. Not to break any confidences, but he actually sent me a PM apologising to me, and it was a serious apology.

He even asked in one thread how to delete his account. I believe that he seriously did not want to be here anymore.

 

[rareboy]

This time, I believe he wanted 'out'. Not to break any confidences, but he actually sent me a PM apologising to me, and it was a serious apology.

He even asked in one thread how to delete his account. I believe that he seriously did not want to be here anymore.

Glad to hear that he apologized to at least one person here.

Glad he got his wish to not be here.

Hope he sorts himself out.

Back to topic....with the news that Williams had found out that he had Parkinson's disease, his depression is even more explicable.

When I was growing up, our next door neighbour, an engineer in his early 50's found out he had cancer and took their vehicle out to a parking lot by county morgue, doused himself in gasoline and then set himself ablaze.....another family member learned they had early onset dementia and hung himself. Too sad.

 

[gsdx]

I found this thread, and the other thread, like I find all new threads: by clicking "New Posts" in the toolbar at the top. I have no idea what section of the forum this thread is in. I know I could look, but I don't find it that relevant as a poster on any subject. I rarely do know what section a thread is in, so to be honest I can't figure out the fuss.

Not everyone uses the 'New Posts' option. I know I don't, and never have. I even had to go look for the option just now. I didn't know where it was, and it wouldn't surprise me how many Jubbers don't know the option even exists.

The fuss is that the thread was moved into a forum where male celebrities are idols, fantasy and jackoff material, and usually discussed sexually. Just because Robin was a male and a celebrity, it seemed more important to throw him into a forum just because he meets the criteria of the forum - that he is a male and a celebrity. His death, his depression, his addictions, and his suicide, were, apparently, not even considered.

I rarely, if ever, visit other forums, and I'm not about to spend my day in the celebrity forum waiting for someone to post in that one thread.

 

[gsdx]

Back to topic....with the news that Williams had found out that he had Parkinson's disease, his depression is even more explicable.

I think the biggest obstacle regarding Robin's depression is that most people find it difficult to believe that someone so upbeat, energetic, and funny could possibly be so depressed that he would kill himself. It's very difficult to know what is going on in someone's mind.

Suicide is often said to be 'the cowardly way out', but I seriously believe that it takes more courage to commit suicide that it does to try to find a non-existent light at the end of a never-ending tunnel. Perhaps that's because I understand depression. I even wrote a story which I posted in the story forum in which a young man tried to hide his depression. I used the analogy of constant thunderstorms in his mind. At the end, when the thunderstorms were finally gone from his mind, he ended what he felt was a life which he truly felt had no future. I took so much flack from that ending, and there was so much discussion by so many fans that he took the coward's way out. They simply wouldn't accept my explanations about depression.

 

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Now here is something to cheer everyone up.

I felt that exact way when i found this.

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[mikey3000]

Sweet, saves me reporting that he left me a comment calling me a cunt yesterday.

Really? That is a surprise.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

I think the biggest obstacle regarding Robin's depression is that most people find it difficult to believe that someone so upbeat, energetic, and funny could possibly be so depressed that he would kill himself. It's very difficult to know what is going on in someone's mind.

Suicide is often said to be 'the cowardly way out', but I seriously believe that it takes more courage to commit suicide that it does to try to find a non-existent light at the end of a never-ending tunnel. Perhaps that's because I understand depression. I even wrote a story which I posted in the story forum in which a young man tried to hide his depression. I used the analogy of constant thunderstorms in his mind. At the end, when the thunderstorms were finally gone from his mind, he ended what he felt was a life which he truly felt had no future. I took so much flack from that ending, and there was so much discussion by so many fans that he took the coward's way out. They simply wouldn't accept my explanations about depression.

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strains a obvious but civlied worlds no not ans
_time keep giv parkin tickets_

anyway

planet stills spinnins
_YAY_

thankyou

 

[Kulindahr]

My head is fuzzed up enough from the pain meds rights now I couldn't tell if I'm depressed or not. Almost everything seems futile, but I'm often amused at the same time.

Weird space.

 

[rareboy]

I am the only gay in the village.

wow.

that got old real fast.

 

[sixthson]

I remember on more than one occasion, Croynan jokingly sending me a post comment asking me what I was doing in THAT forum (a forum apparently out of character for me to be visiting, whatever that may be). But I go primarily to the homepage, where there is something from every forum. I never really paid any attention to which forum because if I found it interesting, I might post something. If I didn't, I passed on by. I then visit new threads and hot topics.

I think the powers-that-be long ago decided what went into which forum and just moderate accordingly.

No topic, no matter how serious, is ever resolved in any forum. It's just discussed. It's nice to think that someone might glean some help along the line, but serious matters are require serious help. JUB is not that place.

The Robin Williams thread, like all other threads, simply run it's course. He is no more important than any other average Joe who has chosen the path he did. He is just more visible. Maybe if celebrities were not idolized in our culture as much as they are, the young and/or vulnerable would be less likely to follow his lead?

 

[sixthson]

wow.

that got old real fast.

Sockpuppets always do.

 

[gsdx]

The Robin Williams thread, like all other threads, simply run it's course.

But it hadn't, and that's the point. It was rolling along very nicely. There was no sign of slowing down until it was moved to the other forum. The regular visitors to the Celebrity forum aren't particularly interested in depression and suicide.

 

[gsdx]

Depression is a horrible thing just like being the only gay in the village.

If you're truly serious, I'm afraid you're looking for help or advice that you're not going to find here.

 

[MJEH89]

The fuss is that the thread was moved into a forum where male celebrities are idols, fantasy and jackoff material, and usually discussed sexually. Just because Robin was a male and a celebrity, it seemed more important to throw him into a forum just because he meets the criteria of the forum - that he is a male and a celebrity. His death, his depression, his addictions, and his suicide, were, apparently, not even considered.

I rarely, if ever, visit other forums, and I'm not about to spend my day in the celebrity forum waiting for someone to post in that one thread.

1. Okay, as a frequent contributor to the MC Forum, I'll concur the threads are usually very sexual in nature. But if everyone is so concerned about RW and his reasons/depression/suicide, why can't these issues be discussed in his MC thread?

2. His death situation "not even considered"? Again, if it's so important, why not carry on the convo in the other Forum?

3. Why do people possess this animosity towards the MC Forum? Okay, the idolization of the subjects is usually very sexual in nature. But this doesn't mean that ALL threads in the MC Forum must be.

I think the powers-that-be long ago decided what went into which forum and just moderate accordingly.

...but serious matters are require serious help. JUB is not that place.

1. Yes, it seems they have.

2. Absolutely!! If people need REAL help, a GAY PORN websiet is NOT the place to find comfort and solace.

The regular visitors to the Celebrity forum aren't particularly interested in depression and suicide.

Is this from where the animosity stems? Do people feel it is "beneath them" to view threads regarding male celeb crushes? Why would we be interested in depression and suicide in the MC forums? It is not particularly a place where individuals turn to seek advice on issues of well-being.

Again, as of today (8/16/2014) no one has started a thread in H&WB to discuss depression and suicide. For a group who seems so interested in the topic, I find it rather confusing why no one feels it important enough to start one.

Is it because the H&WB Forums don't generate as much traffic as HT? Are you afraid your opinions won't be seen by as many people?

You guys keep saying the same thing over and over again: "If it's not in HT, then we're just NOT going to discuss it!"

Really...??