So should this guy be a policeman ??????

[Willie Boy]

I think proper judgement of the officer belongs to an independent panel with full access to all possible information regarding the incident. I don't have that, but it's hard to imagine an impartial viewer watching the video and concluding it was policework well done.

But we don't have any record of what happened prior to the video being started. There's always stuff that happens that can easily explain what goes on in the vids. But of course the camera operator doesn't show that, just the bit they want shown. An actual impartial viewer would acknowledge the heavy bias of the vid from the start.

 

[peeonme]

My uncle was a cop in the Detroit Police Dept. He retired in 1967, he started out on the beat and was an Inspector (I believe) when he retired.
When the cops in Detroit killed a guy named Malice Green my uncle made the comment that the cops "were a different breed".

In all fairness, society is a different breed, unruly, lacking in manners and self centered. We recruit these cops from our own ranks.
In America today I fear that it means that we get them from broken homes, from poorly ran schools and an environment that says "me first".

Do they show a lack of self control? Maybe, just like the rest of us, you know, road rage, flipping off other drivers, fighting with neighbors, hell, look at the pool of people who are our leaders.

Should we expect them to be cut of a different cloth than the rest of us? Maybe we should hold them to a higher standards, maybe Americans should start holding themselves to a higher one as well.

 

[xbuzzerx]

My uncle was a cop in the Detroit Police Dept. He retired in 1967, he started out on the beat and was an Inspector (I believe) when he retired.
When the cops in Detroit killed a guy named Malice Green my uncle made the comment that the cops "were a different breed".

In all fairness, society is a different breed, unruly, lacking in manners and self centered. We recruit these cops from our own ranks.
In America today I fear that it means that we get them from broken homes, from poorly ran schools and an environment that says "me first".

Do they show a lack of self control? Maybe, just like the rest of us, you know, road rage, flipping off other drivers, fighting with neighbors, hell, look at the pool of people who are our leaders.

Should we expect them to be cut of a different cloth than the rest of us? Maybe we should hold them to a higher standards, maybe Americans should start holding themselves to a higher one as well.

If you want to get into the "psychological profile of modern police", studies also indicate that police and criminals have similar psychological profiles, both equally distinct from the everyday population. It's one-sided laziness to just blame it on "society in general is ruder and meaner, so the cops are too." There are people attracted to the job because they have power trips, authority complexes but none of the smarts or education to have any serious position of leadership in another field of work. Dealing with what might be a sometimes unruly public or people with "attitudes" is part of the job. If you're going to blame anything, blame the hiring, screening, and training processes that are producing cops like this. But blaming society or stretching one's neck to look for any justification or provocation from citizens to say a cop acting this way is understandable is bullshit.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

But we don't have any record of what happened prior to the video being started. There's always stuff that happens that can easily explain what goes on in the vids. But of course the camera operator doesn't show that, just the bit they want shown. An actual impartial viewer would acknowledge the heavy bias of the vid from the start.

The videos before this one are out there for people to watch. But no amount of videos will convince some people that the police act like fuck wits.

 

[Cormac135]

It looks like he's resigned.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-policeman-resigns-seen-video-throwing-girl-ground-215553860.html

 

[zoltanspawn]

The videos before this one are out there for people to watch. But no amount of videos will convince some people that the police act like fuck wits.

Well, there's always stuff that happens that can easily explain what goes on in the vids.

 

[Hakuba]

yeah, and then he runs in to this situation and he's going to lose his career over it. No body has even heard his side of the story yet, but he's suspended. I wouldn't be a cop today for all the money in the world. We live in a hostile, litigious society that is soon to be run by the marauding public. You'd all better go buy guns!

If no one has heard his story than why are you automatically on his side?
The police, if anyone, need people who are willing to admit to their mistakes, not people who will always defend their colleagues blindly. Policemen are closely scrutinized because they have both power and responsibilities that the rest of us don't.
Considering all the videos that have come up lately showing police brutality and the killing of unarmed civilians It's pretty disturbing that you as an ex-policeman are critical of the idea of people filming policemen supposedly just doing their jobs.

 

[Willie Boy]

The videos before this one are out there for people to watch.

Are they? There haven't been any shown.

But no amount of videos will convince some people that the police act like fuck wits.

I have never even suggested that. I've always said we should wait until ALL the facts are known so we can make an intelligent, informed decision, as opposed to idiotically jumping the gun as is common when a single inflammatory vid is offered against an officer. Especially one that claims to be the complete vid but from the beginning is proven to only be the after effect as observed by friends of the suspect. Such a thing is of course heavily biased against the cops, whether or not they have done anything wrong.

So instead of police acting like fuck wits we have idiots proving themselves to be fuck wits and human sheep following along blindly because they have been conditioned to fear the Law.

 

[dpnice]

Anyone with an iota of intelligence would be foolish to base an evaluation of the whole situation solely on viewing that one video. It doesn't tell the whole story and films only a short sequence of events.

But it is sufficient to evaluate the actions and behaviour of the policeman, obviously not what caused them or how he behaved before and after the filmed sequence.

His language, his relationship skills and his capability to calm down a difficult situation were horribly deficient, lacking in all self control. Everything he did and how he did it were wrong.

No police officer, what ever the situation, should loose his self control. That is what is expected of them.

 

[xbuzzerx]

I have never even suggested that. I've always said we should wait until ALL the facts are known so we can make an intelligent, informed decision, as opposed to idiotically jumping the gun as is common when a single inflammatory vid is offered against an officer. Especially one that claims to be the complete vid but from the beginning is proven to only be the after effect as observed by friends of the suspect. Such a thing is of course heavily biased against the cops, whether or not they have done anything wrong.

So instead of police acting like fuck wits we have idiots proving themselves to be fuck wits and human sheep following along blindly because they have been conditioned to fear the Law.

Blah blah blah.

What's total crap about this religious insistence we must "wait for all the facts" is that it only works in one direction. It is never applied before people begin with their defense of police violence gunning down and killing unarmed people-- they are always presumed to have had legitimate and self-defense reasons, until overwhelmingly proven otherwise. This same logic was trotted out for Zimmerman and I have never once seen it trotted out before people leaped to assume a black person who got the shit beat out of them, got chokeholded to death or was gunned down unarmed probably did something to justify it.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

No amount of facts should excuse this behavior. He literally complains to them that they "made him run around in the sun", he is complaining about doing something that is obviously required being in the Police Force. He clearly has a bad attitude and he let it get the best of him, which not an excuse in any occupation. I don't even know why he hand cuffed any of those kids because they were are compliant until he started roughing up the girl for simply mouthing off.

Anyone can understand that their job can cause a lot of stress but at the same time these people are not all flipping out at their jobs. Just like I don't see every Officer flipping out in worse situations.

I am not biased against Police or for them. I know there are good cops and there are bad ones. To me this is an example of a bad one.

 

[peeonme]

If you want to get into the "psychological profile of modern police", studies also indicate that police and criminals have similar psychological profiles, both equally distinct from the everyday population. It's one-sided laziness to just blame it on "society in general is ruder and meaner, so the cops are too." There are people attracted to the job because they have power trips, authority complexes but none of the smarts or education to have any serious position of leadership in another field of work. Dealing with what might be a sometimes unruly public or people with "attitudes" is part of the job. If you're going to blame anything, blame the hiring, screening, and training processes that are producing cops like this. But blaming society or stretching one's neck to look for any justification or provocation from citizens to say a cop acting this way is understandable is bullshit.

There is a difference between justification and explanation. I have come to expect little from government employees, I am seldom disappointed.
It's a pretty commonly known fact about why cops become cops, however there was a time when beating the hell out of a citizen was not tolerated. I dealt on a few occasions with cops as a teen. I was always impressed by how polite they were, I remember 2 of them taking away my cigarettes and giving me a ride home. I was 15 at the time, they didn't feel the "need" to prove that they were the boss. I could go in to other situations, cops breaking up fights that I was in, not a hand was put on anyone.
Of course when the cops said to break it up we listened, today a lot of kids would tell them to fuck off. I am also sure that many cops
would get physical while giving orders.

I don't blame society, as a way of justifying anything, I just say look around you and ask if we should expect anything better.

As for the videos, the cops would be the first to use them as evidence if the roles were reversed.

 

[bankside]

Blah blah blah.

What's total crap about this religious insistence we must "wait for all the facts" is that it only works in one direction. It is never applied before people begin with their defense of police violence gunning down and killing unarmed people-- they are always presumed to have had legitimate and self-defense reasons, until overwhelmingly proven otherwise. This same logic was trotted out for Zimmerman and I have never once seen it trotted out before people leaped to assume a black person who got the shit beat out of them, got chokeholded to death or was gunned down unarmed probably did something to justify it.

No, not bla bla bla. Not total crap.

The reason we wait for all the facts is because one video doesn't show them all, depending on what's in the frame and what's not, who is taking it and what they focus on, when it starts, and how it is edited.

Here's an example of where exactly this kind of glib nonsense almost resulted in a bus driver getting fired until the second video emerged. If this was a police situation instead of a school bus, you'd have convicted the guy already.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06/03/edmonton-bus-driver_n_7503596.html

There is no problem throwing officers through the shredder, AFTER a proper investigation if they have failed to uphold the law. But they are absolutely entitled to the benefit of the doubt until any charges against them, and people really have to get over themselves and wait for all the facts.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

So what are the facts when it comes to him putting two of the kids in hand cuffs who were just walking across the street?

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

The facts are that this was a white neighborhood and the white people in this neighborhood got upset that black people were swimming in "their" pool.

 

[FPNY]

The guy appears to be a dick. He should resign. I've reevaluated my position.

 

[gsdx]

It looks like he's resigned.

http://news.yahoo.com/texas-policeman-resigns-seen-video-throwing-girl-ground-215553860.html

The guy appears to be a dick. He should resign. I've reevaluated my position.

As posted by Cormac, he already has:

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - A Dallas-area policeman seen in a viral video tossing a bathing suit-clad teenage girl to the ground has resigned from the McKinney Police force, the city's police chief said on Tuesday, calling the officer's actions indefensible

McKinney Police Corporal Eric Casebolt, who is white, had been placed on administrative leave pending an investigation of how he appeared to target black youths at the disturbance on Friday in the city about 30 miles (50 km) north of Dallas, an incident that has raised fresh questions about racial bias in U.S. policing.

"He came into the call out of control and as the video shows was out of control during the incident," McKinney Police Chief Greg Conley told a news conference. Casebolt tendered his resignation on his own, Conley added.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/texas-policeman-resigns-seen-video-throwing-girl-ground-215553860.html

 

[FPNY]

thank you all for allowing me to re-evaluate without all the drama a JUB about face can bring to a person....

 

[xbuzzerx]

No, not bla bla bla. Not total crap.

The reason we wait for all the facts is because one video doesn't show them all, depending on what's in the frame and what's not, who is taking it and what they focus on, when it starts, and how it is edited.

Here's an example of where exactly this kind of glib nonsense almost resulted in a bus driver getting fired until the second video emerged. If this was a police situation instead of a school bus, you'd have convicted the guy already.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/06/03/edmonton-bus-driver_n_7503596.html

There is no problem throwing officers through the shredder, AFTER a proper investigation if they have failed to uphold the law. But they are absolutely entitled to the benefit of the doubt until any charges against them, and people really have to get over themselves and wait for all the facts.

And when in case after case, we find that the society-wide policies governing the police sanction this kind of behavior, and the cops are ruled justified over and over?

The issue of cop behavior and cop overaggression resulting in these kinds of headlines happening over and over is not a case of a series of completely isolated incidents involving single individuals who are having a bad day. This is an institutional problem and the small number of police who have faced serious repercussions in no way justify anyone's blind faith that so long as we can wait and watch a review panel rule that this behavior is exonerable under standing police policy, we can conclude this is proper standards of behavior for police.

 

[xbuzzerx]

There is a difference between justification and explanation. I have come to expect little from government employees, I am seldom disappointed.

If you want to hold people who carry guns and may shoot you to death to a low standard, that's your choice.