So should this guy be a policeman ??????

[xbuzzerx]

No amount of facts should excuse this behavior.

This, as well.

Let alone when the primary provocation in the entire incident seems to have been "neighbors got nervous seeing black kids invited to a pool party."

 

[peeonme]

If you want to hold people who carry guns and may shoot you to death to a low standard, that's your choice.

Legally I would hold them to a high standard in a court of law, when dealing with most people I have learned to tone down rhetoric
and to be cautious about what I expect from them. This would go for cops, I don't expect them to know that I am a law abiding person,
they deal with societies worse all of the time, this desensitizes anyone.

I have been on the other end of a cops gun, I did what I was told and didn't get killed, I see a correlation in this. I was unarmed, I had committed no crime I could have ran (I was only 19) or argued, but it seemed wise to obey and discuss the matter later.
Had the cops decided to beat me up I would have seen a lawyer, then again I am white, had I been black it may have gone another way, I remind myself of this all of the time.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Legally I would hold them to a high standard in a court of law, when dealing with most people I have learned to tone down rhetoric
and to be cautious about what I expect from them. This would go for cops, I don't expect them to know that I am a law abiding person,
they deal with societies worse all of the time, this desensitizes anyone.

I have been on the other end of a cops gun, I did what I was told and didn't get killed, I see a correlation in this. I was unarmed, I had committed no crime I could have ran (I was only 19) or argued, but it seemed wise to obey and discuss the matter later.
Had the cops decided to beat me up I would have seen a lawyer, then again I am white, had I been black it may have gone another way, I remind myself of this all of the time.

If you don't expect police to behave any better than in the string of incidents we see in the news lately, then I don't even see why you believe in having them at all.

 

[Willie Boy]

And when in case after case, we find that the society-wide policies governing the police sanction this kind of behavior, and the cops are ruled justified over and over?

So far we have seen video of a cop who MAY or MAY NOT have been out of control. He may have been over aggressive or not, we don't really know and can't tell based on the video shown as evidence. We don't know what he was reacting to, he may have noticed something his compatriots didn't that he thought required swift action. Or it could be that he really needs to switch to decaf, and a much less stressful job. Until the facts are known we don't know. As far as previous instances where there was an outcry of "police brutality" and the cops were ruled justified..... Well, if people hadn't rushed to crucify they may have actually seen the evidence and realized that what was going on DID in fact justify the actions of the police. But no, we can't accept that because then we can't keep rushing to judgement against those who risk their lives every single day to uphold the law.

The issue of cop behavior and cop overaggression resulting in these kinds of headlines happening over and over is not a case of a series of completely isolated incidents involving single individuals who are having a bad day.

Of course not. For the most part it is nothing more than media over sensationalism and idiots who hate the police nit-picking and trying to find issues where they don't exist. The major problem with that is that when an actual incident does come along it doesn't immediately get recognized as many tend to tune out much of the outcry as just more of the idiotic babble.

This is an institutional problem and the small number of police who have faced serious repercussions in no way justify anyone's blind faith that so long as we can wait and watch a review panel rule that this behavior is exonerable under standing police policy, we can conclude this is proper standards of behavior for police.

This idea right here is the problem. It holds at its heart the premise that ALL police officers are bad and therefore any outcry MUST BE the truth. Might as well just come out and label all cops as witches and burn them at the stake.

Besides, the only groups that hold to your beliefs are ones with criminal histories, or a heritage of criminal histories.... them apples didn't fall far from the con/ex-con tree.

 

[xbuzzerx]

This idea right here is the problem. It holds at its heart the premise that ALL police officers are bad and therefore any outcry MUST BE the truth. Might as well just come out and label all cops as witches and burn them at the stake.

Besides, the only groups that hold to your beliefs are ones with criminal histories, or a heritage of criminal histories.... them apples didn't fall far from the con/ex-con tree.

LOL. Did you really just say "you must be a criminal?" Despite my exceedingly low opinion of your worldview in general on a variety of topics, I have to toss aside even that comment as so laughably pathetic and uniquely desperate it doesn't warrant serious response.

As to the (completely illogical) conclusion you drew that my criticism of what is considered acceptable under broadly institutional police policy must mean I think "all cops are bad", no. What it means is that people aren't going to act or behave any better in a position of power and authority than the rules and the ability to enforce those rules are going to hold them to. And only a "total idiot" (you're very fond of the term to describe any opposing viewpoint) would expect anything else.

And I have absolutely no problem given the state of events, such as unarmed people dying under ILLEGAL police chokeholds, with the statement that existing policy or the willingness and capability of the institutional policies which police the police to enforce them, are clearly ineffective at holding police to a standard of behavior that meets with any scrutiny.

 

[JohnnyAnger]

Buzz you really need to learn - the policeman must be right, because his police. If you say otherwise you are a criminal or have a criminal heritage.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Buzz you really need to learn - the policeman must be right, because his police. If you say otherwise you are a criminal or have a criminal heritage.

Of course. That plus the fact that I know that, as a white person, I will not be treated in this way by police unless I actually do provoke it. Therefore in the Just World by ipso facto, all of these black people in all of these cases did something to warrant this level of belligerence. And only police haters would ever think otherwise.

 

[peeonme]

If you don't expect police to behave any better than in the string of incidents we see in the news lately, then I don't even see why you believe in having them at all.

Why would I? I use caution in dealing with a person carrying a gun. As to why I believe in having them around, they keep the other guys who carry guns (who are less desirable) in check.
If a cop pulls me over I roll my window down and set with my hands on the wheel where he can see them, again, I am white, I really don't sweat it a lot.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loc.../04/15/inkster-police-beating-video/25829407/
The above link is an example of why I use caution around cops, you never know when the guy behind the badge will act this way, it's best to avoid them and if dealing with them, don't push any buttons.

 

[zoltanspawn]

No amount of facts should excuse this behavior.

What if it turned out she had an atomic bomb in her bikini top and was going to blow McKinney up?

 

[Willie Boy]

LOL. Did you really just say "you must be a criminal?"

Actually, no. I did not say that. But the fact that that is what you came out with from the post you quoted does speak quite a bit to your reading comprehension and thus your intelligence. It also explains why you hold the views you do. But I'm not going to waste time trying to explain as you aren't going to understand.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Actually, no. I did not say that. But the fact that that is what you came out with from the post you quoted does speak quite a bit to your reading comprehension and thus your intelligence. It also explains why you hold the views you do. But I'm not going to waste time trying to explain as you aren't going to understand.

I assure you, I wouldn't understand what you have to say anyway because it never makes any sense. So thank you for saving us both the time and bother. You may return to your passive aggressive assertions of idiocy and people with criminal histories who just irrationally hate the police.

 

[Telstra]

thank you all for allowing me to re-evaluate without all the drama a JUB about face can bring to a person....

Meaning your judgement about this video was wrong

 

[Telstra]

And we see you posting like a brainless idiot. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed online? By your own..... I hate to dignify it with the term logic, but there isn't anything to describe it.... the answer would be yes.

Your argument about this video is extremely stupid.

 

[Telstra]

If no one has heard his story than why are you automatically on his side?
The police, if anyone, need people who are willing to admit to their mistakes, not people who will always defend their colleagues blindly. Policemen are closely scrutinized because they have both power and responsibilities that the rest of us don't.
Considering all the videos that have come up lately showing police brutality and the killing of unarmed civilians It's pretty disturbing that you as an ex-policeman are critical of the idea of people filming policemen supposedly just doing their jobs.

So doctor FPNY is an ex policeman.
No wonder no wonder ....