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soccer players sex abuse

This thread is SO full of undocumented generalisations

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While slightly off topic this particular reference to the arrest of a detective in Vancouver, BC is noteworthy for it relates to a veteran, and decorated investigator of sexual abuse, being charged with sexual abuse. It can be difficult to know who to trust.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...sexual-exploitation-and-sex-assault-1.3915994

I quote:
A veteran Vancouver police detective, who in 2015 received a special citation for his work on a sexual exploitation investigation, has been charged with sexual exploitation. Det. Const. James Fisher was arrested Wednesday and faces three counts of sexual exploitation, one count of sexual assault, one count of breach of trust and one count of attempt to obstruct justice, according to court documents obtained by CBC News.
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´Soccer´ is a backwards culture that worships stupidity.
There are human beings who are less deserving of homo-rape...
 
ruggerladirish said:
The ones who abused kids too small to fight back or resist should have their balls cut off.
But I've read that some of the lads coming forward alleging inappropriate touching, masturbating etc during massage sessions are up to 20 years of age. A 20 year old football player that couldn't say no or physically resist? Absurd.
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There are some 20 year old men that are naive, lonely and vulnerable
. They seek approval and attention, some predators are experts at picking them out.
I don't know the age of the predator or when the abuse began, does anyone have a link that is more informative? This is all speculation without any further info.
 
HoodedRat said:
.. those seeking a piss-easy method of social control?
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Yep. Religion might have been useful back in the primitive days when we were scared of the unknown like thunder and plague and lightning.

But we have science now and we can think for ourselves. But those who were into religion as an "easy method of social control" are now into the slushy thing called PC where they go around being sanctimonious, telling other people what to think and placing guilt-trips on those they want to control.
 
peeonme said:
There are some 20 year old men that are naive, lonely and vulnerable
. They seek approval and attention, some predators are experts at picking them out.
I don't know the age of the predator or when the abuse began, does anyone have a link that is more informative? This is all speculation without any further info.
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I have no sympathy if you're over the age of 18 and the sex was consensual. Its called a bad relationship at that point, sucks that you were emotionally vulnerable and somebody took advantage of that, but that's part of growing up IMO. I'd even argue that if you were 16 or 17 and the sex was consensual, its kind of fucked up, but at that point you should know you're being manipulated and should have never put yourself in that situation. Its not rape if you're sexually mature and consent IMO.
 
Aron9000 said:
I have no sympathy if you're over the age of 18 and the sex was consensual. Its called a bad relationship at that point, sucks that you were emotionally vulnerable and somebody took advantage of that, but that's part of growing up IMO. I'd even argue that if you were 16 or 17 and the sex was consensual, its kind of fucked up, but at that point you should know you're being manipulated and should have never put yourself in that situation. Its not rape if you're sexually mature and consent IMO.
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Innit funny how you see the words 'naive, lonely & vulnerable', then ya drop the age down to sixteen and call it consent? I'm sure it's been a real hoot for your partners so far, you not understanding the meaning of consent.

In order to have consent you need information and a lack of pressure to fuck, particularly from authority figures. Which is one of several reasons why people in authority aren't supposed to be screwing their charges. Consent doesn't involve targeting the vulnerable and naive because they're vulnerable and naive.
 
Amazing how there are always those who make excuses for it. "Oh I'm not hurting the child (teen/disabled), I love them!" If the rapist truly loved the victim the assault would have never happened.
 
Willie Boy said:
Amazing how there are always those who make excuses for it. "Oh I'm not hurting the child (teen/disabled), I love them!" If the rapist truly loved the victim the assault would have never happened.
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There is no question that in actuality, a child abuser is not doing a loving act; however, whether one is talking about parental non-sexual child abuse, or whether sexual child abuse, the abuser consistently sees the abuse in a way that is deluded. Parents believe they were doing what was best for the child by teaching them a lesson, even one that went beyond the bounds of normal discipline.

Sexual abusers of children have consistently referred to the child as one would a partner, with clear delusion, as if the child were an adult in a relationship. There is a real mental illness involved in real pedophilia (pre-pubescent rape) that is distinctive from merely pursuing underage but post-pubescent youth.
 
NotHardUp1 said:
There is no question that in actuality, a child abuser is not doing a loving act; however, whether one is talking about parental non-sexual child abuse, or whether sexual child abuse, the abuser consistently sees the abuse in a way that is deluded. Parents believe they were doing what was best for the child by teaching them a lesson, even one that went beyond the bounds of normal discipline.

Sexual abusers of children have consistently referred to the child as one would a partner, with clear delusion, as if the child were an adult in a relationship. There is a real mental illness involved in real pedophilia (pre-pubescent rape) that is distinctive from merely pursuing underage but post-pubescent youth.
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I tend to agree but I don't hold any empathy for that kind of self-delusion. The discrepancy between actions (if they actually considered a kid to capable of making decisions they wouldn't be leading to a specific conclusion in the first place. Let alone while desperately avoiding all others' eyes under a deliberate guise of 'caring for someone who hasn't decision-making skills').

The 'I really love 'em.' also isn't the only reason I've heard, far from it. I'll see if I can find a particular book; it included in depth interviews about reasonings and motivations and they're not always what it's been popularly portrayed as. It's just the one most trotted-out, I assume because people both love a spectacle and loath the idea of confronting uncaring nastyness itself- others delusion is usually much easier to swallow. I think the stated beliefs often contain too many discrepancies to not have an individual knowingly lie to themself. It isn't as if there's no pedophillic attraction that's not acted on, (I'm certain there is, as ethics aren't synonymous with arousal) - though how one could measure lack of behavior in a specific demographic that tends to, ah, lie like rugs about attraction is debatable.
 
luckynumbah7 said:
I tend to agree but I don't hold any empathy for that kind of self-delusion.
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No, not proffered for the solicitation of empathy, only to remind us that the pedophile is truly mentally ill, truly deluded. His behavior is still immoral, still criminal, still reprehensible, but is a pathology, not merely a bad decision. Commenting that is "love" is not real love is a moot point. No one sees it as a valid form of love. Everyone justly condemns is. Discussion of his delusional rationalization is oblique to dealing with the problem of abuse.
 
Aron9000 said:
I have no sympathy if you're over the age of 18 and the sex was consensual. Its called a bad relationship at that point, sucks that you were emotionally vulnerable and somebody took advantage of that, but that's part of growing up IMO. I'd even argue that if you were 16 or 17 and the sex was consensual, its kind of fucked up, but at that point you should know you're being manipulated and should have never put yourself in that situation. Its not rape if you're sexually mature and consent IMO.
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If sex is used as a reward for keeping one's position on the team, keeping their job or just to be allowed to hang out and be friends then it is not consensual.
Nothing should be used as leverage to exploit the body of another person.
It would be hard to call it molestation with someone over the legal age, but it would be immoral none the less.
 
I think doing this is awful---but at some point society comes up with a random age of consent---I didn't have sex per se until I was almost 20---and I made mistakes from 20 to 25---because I was a naive guy---but I don't want to feel like a victim even though you can describe it that way----we as a society have to not victimize everyone who makes a poor choice due to youth. I think victimizing and stigmatizing guys who are of age and try gay sex a few times is making a bad thing worse. The more we think gay sex is the most horrible thing you can do then what are we saying? If the coach was an older woman I'm sure all would be fine. Not all fine---but you know this would not be as big a deal. It's the homo sex that is a big deal----obviously if the person in power makes it seem ---put up or shut up---that's a different situation.
 
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