Solution to Child Povery is not more tax credits

[evanrick]

Tax credits for parents of poor children will not bring children out of poverty. It will only lead to more poor people having children, whose children will also grow up to be poor. Government giving these kinds of tax credits increase the burden on all other taxpayers to foot the bill for ill prepared parents.

A better solution is a better economy on the whole and the elimination of tax credits for familes, and replaced with lower payroll taxes for everyone. This will send a clear standard that the point of being employed is to earn a living, not to earn tax credits and government subsidies. These types of tax credits do not pay for themselves any more than tax credits for the wealthy create jobs.

Making "welfare" work isn't working, as child poverty has increased since welfare reform.
A stonger middle class economy does way more to improve the lives of everyone, especially children, since a stronger tax base allows for much more significant investment in education.

Too long the focus has been on helping the poor, when those policies have not achieved. Tax credits will not raise the minimum wage, tax credits will not reduce the cost of college or healthcare, tax credits will not reduce the cost of housing.

Tax increases on the wealthy will turn around America's steady decline.

Since 2000 and the election of George Bush, child poverty has increased 50%.

Child poverty has not been this high since the previous Bush left the white house in 1992.

Its clear that a economy based on trickle down economics hurts children even more, creating a cycle of dependency, with America leading poverty in the developed world.

Republican policies have destroyed America, sacrificing our future for their tax cuts.

How long will Americans tolerate this destruction? How long will voters tolerate living at their mercy?

How many more will have to go hungry for Republican politicians and crony corporations?

Another fact republicans here can go choke on, 10 of the 11 states with the least amount of poor families are all blue states and voted for Obama in 2008.

Republicans are criminals and traitors, stealing from everyone.

 

[Benvolio]

You are blaming Republicans for welfare? Child poverty has increased since Johnson's war on poverty. When a young girl reaches poverty we promise her that if she get pregnant and remains unmarried, we ill pay her a nice income--more than she could earn, and if she continues to have more babies, she will get paid more and longer.
And once again you are trying to discuss poverty without discussing the Big Immigration Gorilla in the room. We should not need another thread on immigration, but it is irrational to discuss poverty without discussing it.

 

[Kabluey]

India has f%#@ all immigrants moving in.
Why is India so poor?

Must be those Mexicans.

 

[TX-Beau]

...When a young girl reaches poverty we promise her that if she get pregnant and remains unmarried, we ill pay her a nice income--more than she could earn, and if she continues to have more babies...

I read this and nearly spat coffee on my keyboard. Thanks for the laugh!

 

[star-warrior]

You are blaming Republicans for welfare? Child poverty has increased since Johnson's war on poverty. When a young girl reaches poverty we promise her that if she get pregnant and remains unmarried, we ill pay her a nice income--more than she could earn, and if she continues to have more babies, she will get paid more and longer.

The trick is to have 19+ babies and make a t.v. show.

 

[thewiz]

The trick is to have 19+ babies and make a t.v. show.

Plus you also have to be "Christian" and Republican. And don't even think about not being the correct color because you might be mistaken for an immigrant.

Apparently someone has not looked at welfare in a long while and only takes the 30 second sound bites from FOX as the basis for his knowledge.

 

[peeonme]

You are blaming Republicans for welfare? Child poverty has increased since Johnson's war on poverty. When a young girl reaches poverty we promise her that if she get pregnant and remains unmarried, we ill pay her a nice income--more than she could earn, and if she continues to have more babies, she will get paid more and longer.
And once again you are trying to discuss poverty without discussing the Big Immigration Gorilla in the room. We should not need another thread on immigration, but it is irrational to discuss poverty without discussing it.

First, let me ask, does the young woman begin menstruating when she reaches poverty?

 

[Benvolio]

First, let me ask, does the young woman begin menstruating when she reaches poverty?

Excellent. It is so satisfying to know that my faithful followers study my teachings so diligently that every typing error is detected and studied.

 

[opinterph]

Every member can preview each post before clicking the submit button. It isn’t difficult.

JUB also allows a grace period to edit typos.

 

[chrisrobin]

Excellent. It is so satisfying to know that my faithful followers study my teachings so diligently that every typing error is detected and studied.

Faithful followers? Teachings?

 

[luckynumbah7]

First, let me ask, does the young woman begin menstruating when she reaches poverty?

Zing!

Damnable postings length

Ben, girls reach puberty around 11yrs of age or so, you're gonna have to try that again. And no one pays enough for an infant to get by, let alone a growing child and a parent.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Faithful followers? Teachings?

Sounds better than gawkers and ravings, though it certainly isn't any more truthful.

 

[luckynumbah7]

@evanrick,

That's not quite how poverty works. People pay bills with tax credits, not have more children because of them. As for the rest of your post, correlation isn't causation. If people were focusing on the poor it would be helping, but the USA quit that decades ago. Gutted everything, and they've been whittling the rinds down ever since.

 

[evanrick]

@evanrick,

That's not quite how poverty works. People pay bills with tax credits, not have more children because of them. As for the rest of your post, correlation isn't causation. If people were focusing on the poor it would be helping, but the USA quit that decades ago. Gutted everything, and they've been whittling the rinds down ever since.

Where did they get those bills? If it's from children then they are not being responsible parents. if they accumulated those bills before having children that means the economy is weak, something more tax credits are not going to fix, it just hides the underlying problems creating an entitlement culture.

 

[TX-Beau]

I honestly don't think people actually consider tax credits when they are in the process of convincing a child. Frankly I suspect that the vast majority of all births are accidental.

 

[luckynumbah7]

Where did they get those bills? If it's from children then they are not being responsible parents. if they accumulated those bills before having children that means the economy is weak, something more tax credits are not going to fix, it just hides the underlying problems creating an entitlement culture.

....No. Bills happen whether you have children or not. That's why my partner can claim me as a tax break, it's because I cost money to maintain and he needs help to offset the costs because society has failed to rise to the challenge of creating an accessible world. Bills raise themselves because children also use utilities and need clothing and food. It has nothing to do with irresponsible parenthood - which, might I add, they'd be irresponsible parents if they didn't feed and clothe their child. The damn near negligable amount given to parents to offset the rising cost of raising children in an economy that hasn't raised benefits and wages to go with it isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what's actually wasted on tax breaks for the wealthy. You're looking in the wrong direction. And blaming parents trying to feed their children, of all things. Shame on you.

 

[opinterph]

I honestly don't think people actually consider tax credits when they are in the process of convincing a child.

Young children probably don't understand tax credits.

 

[peeonme]

I honestly don't think people actually consider tax credits when they are in the process of convincing a child. Frankly I suspect that the vast majority of all births are accidental.

Most births are intentional, most conceptions are incidental to having sex without proper precaution to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
It's fascinating to consider that we are all the result of an orgasm and most of us were not planned on.

As for tax credits for the poor, really? Do we have to pick on them?

 

[evanrick]

Most births are intentional, most conceptions are incidental to having sex without proper precaution to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
It's fascinating to consider that we are all the result of an orgasm and most of us were not planned on.

As for tax credits for the poor, really? Do we have to pick on them?

not picking on anyone just saying that tax credits that create dependency only shortchange other taxpayers.

 

[TX-Beau]

Most births are intentional, most conceptions are incidental to having sex without proper precaution to avoid unwanted pregnancies.
It's fascinating to consider that we are all the result of an orgasm and most of us were not planned on.

As for tax credits for the poor, really? Do we have to pick on them?

I don't know what it means that most "births" are intentional. Women who get pregnant unintentionally don't always have the means or the education, or the opportunity to abort unwanted pregnancies and the usual suspects in this country have done their best - and are succeeding in forcing them to have children they didn't plan and don't want.