some people try way too hard to get attention.

[refujiunderground]

anything to stay relevant huh? give it up, green day, it's over. blink 182 saved their washed up asses by riding on their wave as well did a bunch of other groups (sadly, blink 182 is finished too. they were done when they broke up.) btw, i regret buying the american idiot album (i gave it away to my brother) and that nimrod album was trash too (it's collecting dust along with the wack ass alanis morrissette cd, the good charolette cd and the second simple plan album). why did i ask for that for christmas back in 2004? so much for trying to be open minded trying to listen to other music genres and being experimential listening to half assed pop punk rock albums and groups. i've learned my lesson. i love you ipod and illegal downloading. what could i ever do with you? i no longer have to waste 14 dollars to be disappointed when i could download somebody's album and throw it in the trash bin in under a minute.

 

[refujiunderground]

How ironic, right now i'm watching a BBC Four documentary about Mrs. Mills, how apt.

who's that and what about this thread is ironic? are you talking about me trying too hard to get attention when you say irony?

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

Uhuh.

Green Day came first(in this arena), Blink 182, Sum 41, that one Canadian pop-punk band with the one really cute lead vocalist and all those other pop-punk bands rode THEIR coattails, but they all rode the coattails of The Ramones, Fugazi and et cetera ad naseum. So off the bat, you're wrong.

As for his meltdown, it's probably the most "punk" thing he and the band have done in years(I haven't paid them any mind since American Idiot, as I was heavily disappointed with their new MCR-leaning), and he's already messing it up by apologizing and going into rehab. So now he's back to pop mode. And now i'm back wishing for the days of Dookie and Slap-Happy Hours, when I was first introduced to the band.

Much ado about nothing at all.

 

[HoodedRat]

anything to stay relevant huh?

Green Day?

... just another cheap post-punk corporate rock band ... as if they've ever been 'relevant'.

 

[BFizzle]

DTM @ trying Prince Bieber.

 

[refujiunderground]

Not at all refuji, here's a link to the good woman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mrs_Mills
Check her music out.

i'll check it out. doesn't she look like that woman from your country that was really famous for a good minute? you know who i'm talking about. it's not adele. it's an older woman that simon cowell was dissing on that x factor show but she owned him when she sang her ass off. what is her name? she was big about a year ago then disappeared. help me out here. she came from scotland or one of those places.

Uhuh.

Green Day came first(in this arena), Blink 182, Sum 41, that one Canadian pop-punk band with the one really cute lead vocalist and all those other pop-punk bands rode THEIR coattails, but they all rode the coattails of The Ramones, Fugazi and et cetera ad naseum. So off the bat, you're wrong.

As for his meltdown, it's probably the most "punk" thing he and the band have done in years(I haven't paid them any mind since American Idiot, as I was heavily disappointed with their new MCR-leaning), and he's already messing it up by apologizing and going into rehab. So now he's back to pop mode. And now i'm back wishing for the days of Dookie and Slap-Happy Hours, when I was first introduced to the band.

Much ado about nothing at all.

before you try to school me on shit that i've known years ago, green day pretty much started the whole pop punk mess and then everyone else came along. they all were inspired by the punk rock groups from the 70s and 80s. all the pop punk rock musicians like blink and green day all say that when giving out their background so you can't school me on that because i know already. i gotta give them props because you always hear them shouting out all the old punk rock groups in their interviews, saying that those were the people that inspired their shit. you won't find rappers saying that though either because they're too cocky or basically were inspired to rap from someone they heard on the radio. you always have the history of hip hop being twisted around because people don't pay homage to the old timers.

and green day has always been riding around the irrelevant mark. they were finished until they tried to reinvent themselves with that american idiot album trying to make a "mature sound". for a second, it was the thing for pop punk rock artists to reinvent themselves in the last decade into a more "mature" sound so they could be taken more seriously as music artists since pop punk was most associated with being clowns and being stupid. blink 182 were the ones that started the trend though. the funny part about it was all of the bands on that trend either broke up like blink or just disappeared altogether like simple plan. there were some pop punk bands able to ride whatever wave was left like fall out boy and panic at the disco but they all just disappeared or died away too. green day ain't even pop punk rock band anymore. they managed to turn themselves into a contemporary rock band where they're actually getting love from soft rock and contemporary adult stations like lite fm.

another funny thing too is that green day can't use the young people to stay relevant anymore. they had tlr and all the pop radio stations BUT now times are changing where dubstep and club music took over and mtv no longer has tlr or is playing music videos so yep, they're finished.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

before you try to school me on shit that i've known years ago

Stop right there. Wasn't giving you a history lesson; don't care to - was just a correction. Thanks.

 

[maxpowr9]

Green Day had a resurgence with American Idiot [the band went on hiatus after Warning which wasn't bad but quite generic] but that quickly went away when they went Broadway. I guess they tried to follow in The Clash's footsteps. I prefer to look back at them with nostalgia like Blink 182.

I will add to something that refuji is getting at that I have sad many times before. To enjoy punk music past the age of 25 shows one has way too much angst that should have been abandoned when they reached adulthood. I could say the same for metal as to have that much anger as an adult is not healthy. With how much is corporatized, most music just flat out sucks now.

I will say I still have a small crush on Billie Joe he is bi at least and not the crappy bi like Pete Wenst [another washout] who says: "anything above the waist".

 

[refujiunderground]

Green Day had a resurgence with American Idiot [the band went on hiatus after Warning which wasn't bad but quite generic] but that quickly went away when they went Broadway. I guess they tried to follow in The Clash's footsteps. I prefer to look back at them with nostalgia like Blink 182.

I will add to something that refuji is getting at that I have sad many times before. To enjoy punk music past the age of 25 shows one has way too much angst that should have been abandoned when they reached adulthood. I could say the same for metal as to have that much anger as an adult is not healthy. With how much is corporatized, most music just flat out sucks now.

I will say I still have a small crush on Billie Joe he is bi at least and not the crappy bi like Pete Wenst [another washout] who says: "anything above the waist".

i gotta half disagree with you on that. i don't think that listening or liking a certain music means that you're a certain way. i listen to some violent rap music and that hasn't made me hurt or go and buy any handguns now. i'll admit that i do have some emotional issues where it kind of reflects on the music i listen to sometimes BUT i wouldn't go out there and do something stupid like get into a fight with someone over something petty. maybe when i was 14 and even back then, i was a hesitant because i wasn't trying to let down my parents, go to jail or end up in a pine box somewhere. there's some music that sounds way too good regardless. as long as it sounds nice, it really doesn't matter.

but on billie, i keep hearing that dude is bi but yet i can't find any proof on the web. i've been googling around for a minute. anybody could give me a link to where he says it?

and pete wentz, i think that dude is gay. yeah, he admitted to being bi BUT i don't believe that shit. i think both him and patrick stump are gay. i honestly think that him and patrick may have had something going on and him marrying ashlee simpson led the group to break up. dude seems like a narcissist anyway.

you wanna know who also seems like he might be a closet case that i'm surprised nobody has mentioned. tom delonge from blink. i know blink used to do the whole gay jokes thing along with all that other clownish behavior BUT there's something about dude whenever he would say all that though like he really meant it. there was one time where in an interview where he said "if we had to sleep with each other so we could stay a rock band, we would do it". that and besides the way he carries himself. some of those punk rock bands do seem like they have some closet cases and it wouldn't surprise me. half of the music industry is either gay or bi anyway.

Susan Boyle?

yeah, that's her name. she disappeared off the face of this earth.

Thats her Jason

Apart from a similar build, i can't really see it refuji.

well, that's the end of that. they both seem to have the same style though.

 

[Telstra]

What was that all about ?
"He's been around since 1988" How come he doesn't look old ?

 

[G-Lexington]

Green Day has run into the problem many bands have faced - how do you make a career out of something inflammatory?

No one cares that Barry Manilow put out various types of pop schmaltz for decades, because that's about all he ever put out, and neither he nor his fans wanted/expected anything more. With him, "edgy" meant recording "Copacabana" or "Some Kind of Friend", neither of which would stun a standard fan.

But punk (and pop-punk), like rock-and-roll (circa 1956) before it, was loud and shocking to the masses. What do you do once everybody's watching, and they're expecting you to be loud and shocking? You can fulfill those expectations, at which point you're getting kinda stale. Or you can try ramping it up further, although chances are you didn't keep much in reserve your first few go rounds. Or you can take a detour, and risk alienating your fanbase.

Green Day has sort of tried all of the above at various times, to varying degrees of success. They've tried staying the course (Insomniac, Warning), and they sounded fine if overly familiar doing that. They tried ramping it up, which in a sense was what American Idiot was all about. And they succeeded there, in my book, although the follow-up seemed more labored than normal. And they've tried detouring. "Time of Your Life (Good Riddance)" was almost shocking the first time I heard it. The Foxboro Hot Tubs was a really fun detour through classic punk/garage/60s rock. And the musical was an interesting idea but one that didn't work in my eyes.

But they're Green Day. This type of music, to whatever degree, is what they do. What should they do - give up? It's not like their new material is awful, or even bad - it just isn't as fresh as one would hope. They're still making good music - they're just no longer the new faces on the scene. And after two decades of putting out music, one can forgive them for sounding "craftsman-like" or "journeyman".

The fact is - it's always been thus. Show me a musical act that has been around for decades, and I'll show you one who put out substandard albums of typical fare, passable-to-terrible musical detours, or both. The true joy is seeing them suddenly rediscover their muse, or tap into something just right, and see them produce great music once again. And that can be anything from Paul McCartney's "Run Devil Run" (and most of what followed) to ZZ Top's "Eliminator" to Elvis's "Suspicious Minds".

Lex

 

[refujiunderground]

Green Day has run into the problem many bands have faced - how do you make a career out of something inflammatory?

No one cares that Barry Manilow put out various types of pop schmaltz for decades, because that's about all he ever put out, and neither he nor his fans wanted/expected anything more. With him, "edgy" meant recording "Copacabana" or "Some Kind of Friend", neither of which would stun a standard fan.

But punk (and pop-punk), like rock-and-roll (circa 1956) before it, was loud and shocking to the masses. What do you do once everybody's watching, and they're expecting you to be loud and shocking? You can fulfill those expectations, at which point you're getting kinda stale. Or you can try ramping it up further, although chances are you didn't keep much in reserve your first few go rounds. Or you can take a detour, and risk alienating your fanbase.

Green Day has sort of tried all of the above at various times, to varying degrees of success. They've tried staying the course (Insomniac, Warning), and they sounded fine if overly familiar doing that. They tried ramping it up, which in a sense was what American Idiot was all about. And they succeeded there, in my book, although the follow-up seemed more labored than normal. And they've tried detouring. "Time of Your Life (Good Riddance)" was almost shocking the first time I heard it. The Foxboro Hot Tubs was a really fun detour through classic punk/garage/60s rock. And the musical was an interesting idea but one that didn't work in my eyes.

But they're Green Day. This type of music, to whatever degree, is what they do. What should they do - give up? It's not like their new material is awful, or even bad - it just isn't as fresh as one would hope. They're still making good music - they're just no longer the new faces on the scene. And after two decades of putting out music, one can forgive them for sounding "craftsman-like" or "journeyman".

The fact is - it's always been thus. Show me a musical act that has been around for decades, and I'll show you one who put out substandard albums of typical fare, passable-to-terrible musical detours, or both. The true joy is seeing them suddenly rediscover their muse, or tap into something just right, and see them produce great music once again. And that can be anything from Paul McCartney's "Run Devil Run" (and most of what followed) to ZZ Top's "Eliminator" to Elvis's "Suspicious Minds".

Lex

you're right but trill talk though, i understand these guys have to make a living to live up to the expensive taste they have as celebrities. at some point, if you have nothing new that you know people are going to check out or be interested in, just fall back for some years or hang it up. i feel like artists like green day know that they have nothing fresh to bring to the table but yet still try to put out inspired music for their listeners doing them a bigger injustice than themselves. then they get all surprised when people are like "blah, your album sucks". what do you expect when you just put anything outthere? there's no certain way to know if someone's music is going to be well received or trash if you don't release it to the public BUT at the same time, some of these artists know that their song is weak, they put it out anyway thinking that because it's green day or madonna, that their fans will support whatever bullshit they put out as if their fans are some dogs or something. that's why a lot of the music sales have went bad. people been putting out a lot of trash and then they wonder why their albums don't sell.

and i gotta disagree with them not putting out bad music.

this isn't all that but it's eyyyyy.. kind of bored and uninspired. it sounds a little bit better than that half assed american idiot album or nimrod. billie's voice kind of annoys the shit out of me though. that dookie album was the best shit i've ever heard from them though.

i just think green day should probably just fall back for a minute. they just put out a new album on friday and dude probably just did all that bullshit just to get people to notice green day once again. no surprise being that i don't think people knew they had a record out.

 

[mikey3000]

I was a fan of Green Day back when, but nothing too serious. Sadly I still like my 80's music.

 

[refujiunderground]

I wonder if this incident was his rock bottom... it was just announced that Billy Joe Armstrong is entering rehab for substance abuse problems (not the usual "exhaustion" line).

that said, it was pretty fucking classless of the festival organizers to let Usher run 25 minutes late and then force Green Day to cut their set short.

but it's usher.. i'm not an usher fan anyway BUT green day... eyyyy

 

[refujiunderground]

These people (entertainers) go crazy when they do not get enough attention, they do the most unimaginably outrageous things to get attention.

I wonder what the Kardashians will do to get attention, since they really don't have any attention and rely on outrage as their product. What will happen when they run out of ideas? Will they sell, oh I don't know, Kim's hair?

I was grocery shopping with my roommate, when I saw a magazine that had the following headline: Kris has cancer. Or something along those lines. I'm like really? I have a hard time believing that after the 72 days marriage.

exactly, it's like they just get lower and lower and lower until they basically pwned themselves. look @ britney spears. she's the best example out of them all. as soon as her fame started dying down, she started doing all sorts of lame shit to be noticed from kissing madonna to cutting her hair off her head to getting married in vegas to her friend for 24 hours as a prank.

 

[refujiunderground]

I am not sure why this is making me laugh. I can't tell if you're being serious or not.

I wouldn't pay to see either them live but if I had to pick, I'd probably go with Usher. Besides, he's easy on the eyes.

i agree. at least there's a possibility that he might take off his clothes during the show. his dancing and his sexy ass singing. hopefully, he still is in shape and still has it. hope he hasn't slacked up. his prime may have been almost 10 years ago but hopefully he still has some in it to put on good shows and etc. dude fell off musically though.

 

[HunterM]

Here's the latest update:

NEW YORK (AP) - Green Day's Billie Joe Armstrong is headed to treatment for substance abuse.

Sunday's announcement by the band's rep comes after the 40-year-old frontman had a meltdown onstage at the iHeartRadio Music Festival in Las Vegas on Friday. As Green Day was wrapping up its performance during the all-star, two-day concert, Armstrong profanely complained that the band's time was being cut short.

While he's there, he'll be treated for musical instrument abuse as well.

 

[blackbeltninja]

I've never quite got the "artists must stay relevant" argument.

What would happen if we started applying that credo to JUBbers as well? Or just people in general? If someone told me I needed to be more relevant I'd probably laugh at them and then punch them in the face.

-d-

 

[FPNY]

I love Mrs. mills. She seems happy to be doing what she is doing. She plays a mean piano and her hair looks fab. How much more relevant could you be?

 

[G-Lexington]

it sounds a little bit better than that half assed american idiot album or nimrod. billie's voice kind of annoys the shit out of me though.

Well, for one thing, American Idiot certainly isn't "half-assed". It's pretty clear that a lot of time and effort went into it. That doesn't necessarily make it good, but I certainly don't think it's half-assed. Trust me - I've heard some REALLY half-assed albums before. And if Billie Joe's voice pisses you off, maybe you're simply not the target demo.

Lex