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State of Oregon Kidnaps Canadian Child.

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/calgary-boy-reunited-with-mother/article1601942/

A Calgary boy who spent two years in foster care south of the border – apparently after he was caught riding his bike without a helmet – was reunited with his mother Friday.

Noah Kirkman, 12, was on holiday in Oregon in 2008 with his stepfather when he was stopped by police. Because his stepfather wasn’t his legal guardian, authorities took custody of the boy.
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That sounds completely bonkers.
 
This is really heinous! The Oregon authorities had no right to keep a Canadian citizen's child no matter what they say. "Bureaucratic bumbling" ? I think the mother might have legal grounds to sue the state of Oregon. I hope she pursues the matter.
 
You didn't know? Americans police the world my friend. They have jurisdiction over ANYONE's kid.
 
Just supports my contention that CPS are the biggest child molesters there are.
 
FanofFiction said:
You didn't know? Americans police the world my friend. They have jurisdiction over ANYONE's kid.
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That’s true, and not just kids.

A marijuana activist who sells weed-seeds in Canada, as a business, which is not breaking Canadian laws, and fully declares his earnings and lists his business on his taxes, has been deported to America after American officials demanded he be turned over for selling seeds to US customers. Canada (thanks to our lovely Conservative government) complied.

That’s right: a Canadian citizen, born and raised, who broke no major laws in our own country (at the most he could have received a $200 fine for selling across the border), will now be spending the next 5 years in a US prison.

For selling SEEDS.

Source.
 
BearBoi said:
That’s right: a Canadian citizen, born and raised, who broke no major laws in our own country (at the most he could have received a $200 fine for selling across the border), will now be spending the next 5 years in a US prison.

For selling SEEDS.
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Well, they can't stop the illegal business going on across the southern border so they're stopping the legal business across the northern border.
 
gsdx said:
Well, they can't stop the illegal business going on across the southern border so they're stopping the legal business across the northern border.
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This isn't anything new, either. The guy in Nelson who got me stoned told me that, a few years ago, the U. S. Government sent some DEA people up to Nelson to arrest some people, who I think were also KIDNAPPED southward into the United States to stand trial. I think that I vaguely remember something like that, but I didn't realize they had gone that far north. (Nelson isn't REAL far north, but other places like Creston and Langley are much closer, and are probably the real ports of trade.)

This thread AND what I mentioned are both wrong on so many levels. Whenver the U.S. can, they'll do something which entirely defies Canadian sovereignty. Or,. for that matter, the sovereignty of ANY nation that "we" can violate. Such violations are even more often done under the rubric of corporate law, by U.S. - based corporations, which are extraterritorial governments of their own, accountable to nobody but people who want the maximum profit.

AGAIN, I've said it so many times: I REALLY wish I'd been born Canadian.
 
frankfrank said:
This thread AND what I mentioned are both wrong on so many levels. Whenver the U.S. can, they'll do something which entirely defies Canadian sovereignty.
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In the case I mentioned, it was because the (Conservative) Government allowed them to.

However, there are numerous other examples I could list. For example, American warships routinely violate Canadian waters without prior notice. Also, FBI Agents routinely cross the border to conduct arrest without prior notice.

Excellent points, all.
 
The late Canadian Prime Minister, John Diefenbaker must be rolling over in his grave. He was probably the most distrusting PM of Americans in our history and would never stand for this. He was conservative too. I wish Harper could channel a little the Dief.
 
BearBoi said:
That’s true, and not just kids.

A marijuana activist who sells weed-seeds in Canada, as a business, which is not breaking Canadian laws, and fully declares his earnings and lists his business on his taxes, has been deported to America after American officials demanded he be turned over for selling seeds to US customers. Canada (thanks to our lovely Conservative government) complied.

That’s right: a Canadian citizen, born and raised, who broke no major laws in our own country (at the most he could have received a $200 fine for selling across the border), will now be spending the next 5 years in a US prison.

For selling SEEDS.

Source.
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I've never heard that it is legal to trade in marijuana seeds in Canada. Do you have a source for that one?

But anyway it is a bit of a stretch to say that American law has nothing to do with you when you're actively doing business with Americans when they are at home. As far as I can see, this guy was involving himself with the American legal system, and we have an extradition treaty with the States that covers everything but death penalty situations. The American legal system has no business involving itself in transactions entirely outside it's borders, but where one end of that transaction is in the States, I think they have every right to send Nancy Regan and a hundred Storm Troopers to receive this guy at the border, if they want to.

That's a far different situation imho than terrorizing a 10 year old.
 
FanofFiction said:
The late Canadian Prime Minister, John Diefenbaker must be rolling over in his grave. He was probably the most distrusting PM of Americans in our history and would never stand for this. He was conservative too. I wish Harper could channel a little the Dief.
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Seriously? By my reading of history, Diefenbaker was one of those western canadian whiners who got wood any time he got to cut the budget of one of those eastern liberal bastard tax and spenders, and in best western canadian whiner tradition, if he could suck up to the americans while he was doing it, so much the better.

Thus, he could toady to the Americans and cancel our own Canadian/British Avro Arrow, buy their Beaumark missiles instead, and kill two birds with one stone.

A pity those birds were both Canada Geese.
 
Bankside- he did love to cut Liberal spending indeed. He killed the AVRO Arrow... but he also hated and distrusted Americans. You can read his three volume autobiography; One Canada. Also, see Knowlton Nash's Kennedy and Diefenbaker... He had some MASSIVE hate on for Kennedy, though he was okay with Eisenhower... but other than Eisenhower he hated just about all things American.

That said, let me go on the record stating my mad love for Kennedy!! I just finished reading Ted Sorenson's Kennedy... fantastic read!
 
@bankside

They originally wanted to give him 25 years.

The fact is; this is an unprecedented affront on Canadian society. Even if he had been arrested in the US for breaking US law, he could, short of being convicted for terrorism or capital murder, apply to be deported to Canada to serve his sentence. Almost all such applications are granted.

Canada could have fought it. Canada should have fought it. Stephen Bush (heh, I’m so going to be using that now) just bent over.

As I mentioned, he has openly declared his business and what he sells. He pays his taxes and is a high-profile activist. Canada Revenue accepts his tax dollars for selling seeds and has NEVER bothered him. The most he could have suffered in Canada was a $200 fine.

Now he is a victim of the American inJustice system and betrayed by his own country.

It is fairly standard international policy, even among nations that have extradition treaties, to decline extraditing citizens whose actions are not criminal in their home country. To illustrate this, I will list another example:

Canada is one of the world’s largest online-gambling casino havens. A lot of it is owned/operated by Natives on reservations. This is completely ILLEGAL in the US. Tell me, do you think Canada would honour the extradition application for a Native Band Leader on gambling-related Charges to the US? And these guys are raking in hundreds of millions of dollars.

No fucking way. But a guy who sold some seeds...? We hand him over? Bullshit.
 
Well I'm going to declare this is not off topic because although it is not about Oregon, (Seriously, even if they were remotely concerned for the wellbeing of the child, on what planet would they give themselves a leisurely 2 years to make that determination. There had better be a lawsuit.), it is about extraterritorial use of power.

The whole world is not subject to the laws of one country - someone else's country - that would be the ultimate tyranny. As Christopher Hitchens points out, a country will never have a legitimate place in the world so long as it governs other people against their will.

However with Mr. Emery, never mind the states, he was charged and convicted of breaking Canadian law. It is not legal to sell marijuana seeds to other Canadians, let alone export them to the States. If mail-order pot seeds was a legal business in Canada, we wouldn't even be having this discussion, because the US would have asked for his extradition, and we would have said "Sorry, no, he's a fine upstanding businessman just selling his products. We can't stop Americans from buying his stuff because we can't stop anyone from buying a legal product. Good luck! Have a nice day, eh!"

But of course that isn't the case. If he didn't want to ever deal with the US justice system, he could have just not sold things to Americans that are illegal in both Canada and the States..

And I say that as someone totally okay with decriminalisation. But his business was against the law here, and against the law there, even though he thought the law was wrong.

I will agree that if other Canadians get the privilege of serving their jail time here, then so should he. But if Harper is so uncivilised that he's even willing to let people die in the states for their crimes, of course what hope does Emery have?
 
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