State Sponsored Homophobia: World Homosexuality Laws

[scream4ever]

Well now shit just hit the fan:

http://abriluno.com/ugandan-presidents-daughter-admits-she-is-gay/

 

[palbert]

Well now shit just hit the fan:

http://abriluno.com/ugandan-presidents-daughter-admits-she-is-gay/

From ^^

In a startling revelation, the daughter of Ugandan President Yoweri *Museveni admitted today during a radio talk show in Mbarara, in Western Uganda that she is homosexual, and that she is revealing this fact as a protest to the anti-gay law her father signed only a few days ago.

(If this is fake I can see a lot of trouble ahead for some reporters.)

 

[TX-Beau]

When Karma comes home to roost...

He'll just disown her and throw her in prison.

 

[Kulindahr]

It is you failing to grasp my point of view. I'm saying you wouldn't be responsible for the trees not surviving.

If you can understand the logic that it would be inappropriate and quite frankly wrong to blame the German government, if a jewish citizen was attacked by a neo-nazi gang, then you should be able to grasp that you can't blame the British for anti-gay laws upheld in SOVEREIGN African nations.

Now you're saying I didn't plant the trees.

The British put those laws in those nations. It's been shown that they imposed those laws against at least some of those places cultures. So they're responsible twice: for imposing the laws, and for polluting the cultures.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ Yes I agree!

and it's especially weird when other CE&Prs blame American evangelical nut jobs for 'polluting' the pure Africans with Christian ideas

 

[xbuzzerx]

Pat is trolling, of course, but it does raise an interesting point. We concede the negative and harmful influence of current ongoing U.S. evangelical efforts to "radically Christianize" parts of Africa, and I don't believe there's been prior disagreement at CE&P that this has played a substantial role in their anti-gay fanaticism. If we acknowledge that, how then can we dismiss that British laws and social mores on the same didn't have the same effect, and simply say "well, Africa could have stopped following that influence once they became independent, it's not Britain's fault at all"?

 

[pat grimshaw]

And another thing, all this supposes that the africans were just passive recipiemts of other people's ideas

 

[Keeland]

And another thing, all this supposes that the africans were just passive recipiemts of other people's ideas

Why not? Else explain Limbaugh, Fox, tea baggers, born-again fruitcakes, 90 years of commercials and the Academy Awards.

 

[TX-Beau]

Point taken. There is however the relevance of time here. Evangelical preachers are working NOW, at a time when some of those countries they are choosing to work in are becoming more homophobic.

Welllllllllll, you know, if Britain hadn't sent crazy religious people to the States........



Sorry, couldn't help myself. It think that it's a very different thing when you enforce a legal code on your empire that contains that provision - how many people were actually aware of it? Was there massive repression against gay people as a priority matter of state policy? - a hundred (?) years ago, from stand alone laws being passed now SPECIFICALLY targeting the same population AS a matter of formal Government priority.

The British Empire didn't like gay people. This is no shock, but I also don't seem to remember them going out of their way to round us up and imprison us.

I don't think that anyone said there was no influence from colonialism, just that it wasn't the only influence.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^
Yes Keeland I very much agree with you that great numbers of the general population from all nations of the world are passive receptacles.

But this man here below— somehow I don't think he's voicing intellectual notions received from evangelical Christians from the USA or Great Britain. He seems to be expressing quite visceral notions on the subject at hand

 

[Keeland]

But this man here below— somehow I don't think he's voicing intellectual notions received from evangelical Christians from the USA or Great Britain.

I can't speak for the U.K., but his brand of hatred and stupidity is legion in the U.S. and parts of Canada, especially Alberta. Those regions were doing it long before Uganda and the other African homophobic countries began to beat the drum for their pious Christian soldiers marching as to war.

It didn't spring out of thin air. Not for nothing did such well-heeled conservative Christian groups as the Republican-backed Family Research Council and its spawn, Focus on the Family, pour millions of dollars into fanning the fires of hatred in Africa.

 

[Kulindahr]

I'd love to see some pre-18th century documents by the Bantu-speaking Pouhain farmers (Bene, Bulu, Fang, Jaunde, Mokuk, Mwele, Ntum and Pangwe), the Nilotico Lango, Cape Bantu, Baganda.

I think you're under the misimpression that anyone believes you are swayed by facts or evidence. You are merely manipulating goalposts so that you can continue to maintain a position in spite of any evidence.

Oh, very well put!

 

[pat grimshaw]

Oh, very well ...

No one here has any documentary evidence on the sodomy done by the Bene, Bulu, Jaunde, Mokuk, Mwele etc, etc from the 18th century.

 

[Alnitak]

You gotta love how all the over reactive trolls come out of the woodwork on a topic they would normally ignore once you say something unflattering, and no matter how much evidence you give it will never be enough or good enough. And this is why I am devoting more and more my time to my 8000 followers (and growing) on Facebook where I am the administrator and the people are actually intellectual and engaged on topics that matter, such as gays being beaten up, which nobody here has expressed any concern over the last two pages except me.

Instead this thread, which was supposed to be about LGBT oppression, has devolved and digressed onto the point about whom is ultimately responsible for it in Sub-Saharan Africa, which by the way is NOT hotly debated among LGBT rights activists doing the work on the ground.

 

[palbert]

You gotta love how all the over reactive trolls come out of the woodwork on a topic they would normally ignore once you say something unflattering, and no matter how much evidence you give it will never be enough or good enough. And this is why I am devoting more and more my time to my 8000 followers (and growing) on Facebook where I am the administrator and the people are actually intellectual and engaged on topics that matter, such as gays being beaten up, which nobody here has expressed any concern over the last two pages except me.

Instead this thread, which was supposed to be about LGBT oppression, has devolved and digressed onto the point about whom is ultimately responsible for it in Sub-Saharan Africa, which by the way is NOT hotly debated among LGBT rights activists doing the work on the ground.

In future the intended subject might be better served by making it On Topic and specifically enunciated in the OP.

 

[pat grimshaw]

...I am devoting more and more my time to my 8000 followers...

Fair enough. This guy has 112,000 followers

 

[pat grimshaw]

I wish an African could contribute to this thread.

I think a 21st century African might have a little more insight into 18th century African matters than us who are separated by being on the other side of the planet and by centuries of cultural baggage, emotional baggage etc, etc, etc.

…..it's quite possible to say that a majority of people who live in anti-gay countries do so because of the British.

Your assessment fails to consider what anti-gay bias existed before the Evangelicals evoked it, or conversely, what simple-mindedness or evil that makes certain African cultures vulnerable to this sort of persuasion. Could anyone imagine an outside group entering Iceland or Bangkok and eliciting such a sheep-like response?...

 

[blackbeltninja]

Is there ANY documentation of the pro-gay laws in Africa prior to the Brits arriving?

Yes. They were painted on the walls of caves by Bushmen in the 1600s.









Is this really a serious question, asked about a continent chock-full of tribal, nomadic peoples?

-d-

 

[Rolyo85]

No, he's implying that the gays were just as persecuted as they are now, and it's not the British' fault. Of course, that ignores the fact that gays weren't really a thing ANYWHERE at the time, yet countries where religious dogma has been replaced with reason and logic have embraced LGBT rights. And the reason for why Africa is mired in religious dogma is very much the British.

There, history lesson done.

 

[palbert]

.... this is why I am devoting more and more my time to my 8000 followers (and growing) on Facebook where I am the administrator ....

I shall call for "loaves and fishes."