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Sugar Tax? It Is Time to Crush the Sugar Industry

To what end? That it benefits the industry to the extent that it can continue marketing more product.


Yes, that's a fair point actually - maybe they could fight for market share. But I was focussing on the way that increased costs will change consumer behaviour and drive consumers away from the product. From that point of view, I'm not sure it matters whether the increased cost comes from a tax, or from corporate greed.
 
I have figured out a way to make vegetables more affordable: ship them in bulk to a larger city with enough demand to eat the whole truckload, and then sell them from a big-box store on the edge of the city that you have to take a bus to, and where the people have enough money in their accounts to buy their groceries on any day of the month so you have no losses from unsold produce in the 5 days before government cheques come out. Otherwise you'd have to charge triple just to break even.
 
Rather than tax, remove the subsides on the usual suspects. There is no reason the taxpayer should underwrite ginormous agribusiness.
 
My little sister moved to Alaska with her husband (because they will pay off his student loans) - I was SHOCKED how expensive produce cost way up there.

bankside mentioned it already, the carriers/shippers want their share, and oh yes, since sumpters are uncommon in the western world: in the first line of course the lovely oil industry ;)
 
What is a sumpter?

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Rather than tax, remove the subsides on the usual suspects. There is no reason the taxpayer should underwrite ginormous agribusiness.

Oh! I like this one!
 
Ahh. Much obliged. I googled it only to get a town in Oregon. I've never heard or seen the word in print until now.

I'm pretty sure they'd be even more expensive. Those big oil-powered ships are about the cheapest way to move anything.
 
I'm pretty sure they'd be even more expensive. Those big oil-powered ships are about the cheapest way to move anything.

Not sure. Seen from a global economic point of view, sumpters provide much more employment than the oil industry I'd presume. (Think of the blacksmiths, and veterinarians, and so forth.)
 
Listen to you liberals, yearning for totalitarian control. Ceausescu, that great Romanian liberal, limited the people to 1400 calories a day as I recall, perhaps you should try that in stead of just limiting sugar and soda.
 
Listen to you liberals, yearning for totalitarian control. Ceausescu, that great Romanian liberal, limited the people to 1400 calories a day as I recall, perhaps you should try that in stead of just limiting sugar and soda.

1400 calories, how much cheap Bourbon is that?
 
Listen to you liberals, yearning for totalitarian control. Ceausescu, that great Romanian liberal, limited the people to 1400 calories a day as I recall, perhaps you should try that in stead of just limiting sugar and soda.

Ceausescu was a socialist (the opposite of a liberal) who favoured totalitarian government control of the economy instead of a free market (again, the opposite of a liberal).

And since a socialist, centrally-directed economy is bound to fail, it is not surprising he had a problem of scarcity, thus he had no choice but to limit what the population could consume. (Well, he did have a choice, but that choice would have been abandoning socialism and opening up to a liberal free-market economy.)

The problem with sugar in the free market is not one of scarcity but of plenty. There is too much of it available too cheaply, and people overconsume to the point of ill effects on their health. In a free market, that would be nobody's business but the consumers, happy to keep gorging themselves, and the manufacturers, happy to keep a tidy profit stuffing the populace with marshmallows.

Except, of course, for externalities.

The harm or benefit from that transaction normally accrues to the vendor and the purchaser. When the harm or the benefit spills over onto the rest of the population, that is an externality, either positive or negative. In this case, over-consumption of sugar weakens the population and imposes costs on other individuals as a result.

THAT gives us a free market mandate to reduce sugar consumption by making it more expensive to do so, and a mandate to collect the revenue from doing it to offset those negative externalities.

Not one damn socialist thing about it. That argument is entirely from conventional free-market principles going straight back to Adam Smith.
 
Nevertheless, controlling what the people eat and do not eat is authoritarian. Evan communists and other socialists claim that they re doing it for the benefit of the people. What you are describing is a difference in the ideology and possibly methods used to justify control, not a difference in control.
 
listen to you liberals, yearning for totalitarian control. Ceausescu, that great romanian liberal, limited the people to 1400 calories a day as i recall, perhaps you should try that in stead of just limiting sugar and soda.

"not my corporate subsidies!!!!"
 
Nevertheless, controlling what the people eat and do not eat is authoritarian. Evan communists and other socialists claim that they re doing it for the benefit of the people. What you are describing is a difference in the ideology and possibly methods used to justify control, not a difference in control.

Nobody is telling people what they can eat, we're just demanding they pay the full bill. Making them pay the costs of what they eat is purely free-market economics and nothing authoritarian about it. But letting them pay less than the full cost and making the rest of us pay the costs of their choices? That is pure authoritarian socialism.

This tax reduces socialism by stopping somebody else from passing the costs of their lousy lifestyle on to me, and places the burden of an unhealthy choice on the person himself, still free to make that choice, which is exactly what the free market should do.
 
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