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• obviously erect cock through the soft materials of his pants, but he wouldn't let me do so, practically commanding me with nothing more than grunts to lie back down and to get back to work jerking my own cock. Finally, it was just too much and I came in great spurts all over my chest and belly as I lay on the ground. He smiled and said thanks, leaving me there panting but satisfied. I quickly looked around to see if anybody else had been watching since I had been lost in lust for a few minutes.
  

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  The whole experience only last 15 minutes or so.. but it was so totally hot and unexpected that it was the source for many a long reflection on what had happened and why it has seemed so sublime a sexual encounter. It was the event that caused me to focus on the clothed / unclothed aspects of homosexual attraction and probably what made me identify with CMNM. Obviously, there were a few more elements involved: I was naked in public, and the guy was more than 20 years younger than me.
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One of the new members on the cmnm.tribe.net (private group) started a discussion recently. I'd like to hear about others guys' experiences with "innocent" CMNM, especially first times. Here's one of mine to get the discussion started:

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My first time real CMNM was may-be 6 or 7 years ago. First, let me say that I am str8-married but have always been at least bi-curious and then bi-discreet. So while this was not my first time messing with a guy, it was a first CMNM experience. I was on a business trip and looking around for a jo partner on line. Most every response wanted way more than I was looking for. One str8 guy got me chatting and told me about a scenario he'd like to play out, which we did.

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My friend came over to my room. He brought a six pack. it had been unusually hot and sticky and I had not showered yet after my business day. We enjoyed a quick cold beer together, and opened the second within a few minutes an hung out sitting on the only couch in the room. Half way through the 2nd beer, I said I had not showered yet and wanted to jump into the shower real quick sync I felt grimy. He said sure. While I did not undress in front of him, he did sneak into the bathroom while was showering and took a peak or two while I was in the shower. I came out only in the rather small hotel towel. I just needed to cool down a bit more.

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At this point I sat in the chair opposite the couch and continued slowly sipping my beer. after

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a shower and almost 2 beers, I was feeling horny and sneaked a feel now and then. He pretended not to notice at first, but then gave me an encouraging nod. I let the towel drape open and let him see my growing member. I was feeling both embarrassed and comfortable at the same time. All the while, he had his shorts and t-shirt on. Then he said, nah, it's cool, so I just took the towel off and started to openly stroke, slowly. He wanted a closer look, so I sat on the coffee table in front of him, and then next to him on the couch. He played with himself through his pants, but I did not see his dick that first time although I really wanted to.


I think being denied seeing him naked and hard was a turn on but also a bit embarrassing that he was just watching me masturbate. Of course, I got to a point where I tried to stop since I could not see his, but he egged me on and convinced me to shoot for him to watch. It was very cool to have to let my guard down and just be totally natural and do this private act in front of another guy.

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  It happened to me another way. I guess there were other so-called CMNM experiences before that, but this one was so memorable and definitely fit the category. I had gone out to a public park along the shoreline of the bay. It's a semi-deserted spot but there were people around but just not in the immediate vicinity. I stripped naked and discreetly sunbathed. I had taken a couple of beers along to enjoy and so was feeling horny. A cyclist appeared and sort of appeared interested in getting a look, but he left after a bit. That just made me hornier.
  
  Then a 20-something guy noticed me from a distance and slowly made his way over toward me. I could tell he was intrigued and wanted to confirm that I was actually nude. Eventually, it became obvious to him that I was naked and aroused. It made it deliciously erotic for me to expose myself to him in public, but he kept just getting closer. Without saying a word, but only gesturing, he urged me to grab my cock and starting jacking. He remained standing and fully clothed in his athlete training pants and a jacket, but he kept keeping closer until finally he was at my feet. He used his own feet to press my legs further apart and he stared down at me, jerking with gusto for his pleasure. I tried sitting up to grasp his
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[h=3][/h][h=3]Joe Jonas just blew the lid off the Disney empire. In an explosive tell-all, the middle Jo Bro exposed some of his dirtiest secrets — including the fact that he lost his virginity at age 20, when he was dating Ashley Greene![/h]

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Joe Jonas, 24, revealed many of his dirty little secrets in his tell-all interview with New Yorkmagazine. Not only did Joe admit that he first smoked weed with Miley Cyrus and Demi Lovato, he also said that he lost his virginity at the age of 20 — right when he was dating Twilightstar Ashley Greene! Read on for more details.

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Everyone knows that the Jonas Brothers once wore purity rings, but in the interview with NY mag, Joe admits that much of that had to do with maintaining their squeaky clean Disney image — the “pledge” had been a childhood promise, and once the boys became famous they didn’t want to wear them! In fact, Joe broke his pledge once he turned 20.

“We decided to take the rings off a few years ago,” he says. “I lost my virginity when I was 20. I did other stuff before then, but I was sexually active at 20. I’m glad I waited for the right person, because you look back and you go,‘That girl was bats–t crazy. I’m glad I didn’t go there.'

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UK:​

Holkham, North Norfolk (take windbreak)
Studland, Dorset (but can get crowded)


FRANCE:
Ardeche river bathing
Cap d'Agde (south of France)

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SPAIN:
Playa del Torn, L'Hospitalitat del l'Infant, Tarragona Province
Papagayo national park, Playa Blanca, Lanzarote

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Gran Canaria (Playa del Ingles)


PORTUGAL:
Praia do Meco, south of Lisbon


GREECE:
FKK beaches by boat from Naoussa, Paros (avoid August)


CROATIA:
FKK beaches by boat from Hvar (though don't expect sand)


GERMANY:
Teufelsee, Grunewald, Berlin


AUSTRALIA:
Maslin Beach, south of Adelaide
or for beauty without people, almost any deserted beach
e.g. in Cape le Grand national park, Esperance, Western Australia


SOUTH AFRICA:
Sandy Bay, south of Cape Town (cold water!)


AMERICAS:
Zipolite, Oaxaca province, Mexico
Playita, Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica
Herring Cove, Provincetown, Mass, U.S.
Golden Gate beach, San Francisco, California
Black's Beach, San Diego, California

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So, any suggestions?
stay bare
atitlan
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Online groups related to nudism, naturism.


Here are a few other groups you may have interest in these topics. You must become a member in order to view or receive posting or access. Each group may have certain other restrictions to join or require approval.

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Young Men's Naked Association (2): (also on Google)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ymna2

Blacks-Beach Yahoo Group (which was the source of this compiled list -- Thanks!)
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Blacks-Beach

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Naturism/Nudism News - News & events around the world effecting us:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Naturism-Nudism-News/
Or:
http://groups.google.com/group/Naturism-Nudism-News


Lake Mead (clothing-optional beach on the Nevada/Arizona border near Las Vegas):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LakeMead/

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San Onofre Beach (clothing-optional beach in extreme Southern Orange County/Northern San Diego County in Southern California):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/San-Onofre/


Smuggler's Cove (clothing-optional beach near L.A., CA):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Smugglers-Cove/


Southern California (C/O) Hot Springs:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/So-CA-Hot-Springs/


Southern California Naturism:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/So-CA-Naturism/


Southern California Naturist/Nudist Apartments:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/So-CA-Naturist-Apts/

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Tecopa Hot Springs (a hot spring about 80 mi. from Las Vegas or 85 from Baker, CA):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tecopa-Hot-Springs/


General groups/lists for the Southern California area group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Groups4SoCA/


If you are a man & interested in male-only naturism/nudism groups, check these out, too:


B-MEN: Beach Men Enjoying Naturism (in Southern California):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/B-MEN/


G+N Magazine - A new magazine for male naturists/nudists, similar to the now defunct "Naked Magazine":
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GN-Magazine/



Gay Naturism/Nudism News - News & events around the world effecting us:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gay-Naturism-Nudism-News/
Or:
http://groups.google.com/group/Gay-Naturism-Nudism-News


GNI (Gay Naturists International) members & anyone interested in GNI:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GNI-Members/


Casual Nudity among Men (all settings covered):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Male-Casual-Nudity/


A forum for Male Naturists/Nudists anywhere in the world:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Male-Naturist/


Southern California Naturist Guys:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Southern-California-Naturist-Guys/

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Southern California Gay Campers & Hikers:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/So-CA-Gay-Campers-n-Hikers/


Southern California Men's Gym - We are seeking to start a men-only, clothing-optional fitness center in Southern California, and would like your opinions:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/So-CA-Mens-Gym/


Southern California Gay Men's C/O Resort - We are seeking to start a men-only, clothing-optional resort in Southern California, and would like your opinions:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/So-CA-Gay-Resort/

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From: atitlan on his Google group [ymna2]


Your Recommended nude beaches

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It might be a good idea to revisit the topic of recommended nude beaches and ask you for your contributions.


For me, a recommended perfect nude beach might be one in a beautiful natural location, without any buildings at the back and with
sufficient other nudists to feel comfortable being naked but not enough to impose on the peace and quiet. Ideally some of these
nudists would be male singles or couples.

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I've been to a few nude beaches that have felt fiercely straight. But you might have your own ideas on what makes for a 5-star
nude beach.

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If this works, we could compile a full list with notes and directions on how to get there. Here's some to kick the process off - it's very
much a personal list, only a few of which might feature in a gay guide. Consider too that some I last visited years ago now and that there
are plenty of others I've not visited at all.

 

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Most of these establishments, if they are not brand new, can be found in the various gay magazines (zashi), which can be bought in some bookstores and perused in most saunas and in many bars. Next to the address (in Japanese) there is usually a map, which can be shown to a taxi driver. Until recently, these magazines were the main tool for making contact with like-minded individuals. Many shy boys who had never set foot in a gay bar, not to speak of a sauna, would place an ad in these zashis. Now, however, most of these boys own (or have access to) computers and find friends through the internet (try "Gay Net Japan").

Summing up, we could say that gay contacts in Japan are usually safe and are of a non-commercial nature. On the other hand, Japanese men are almost always much shyer than, e.g., Thais and (probably partly for that reason) linguistically more inhibited. Unfortunately, in this era of ever younger (body-and teeth-conscious) idols (pop-singers) on TV and on stage, the daddy-complex-syndrome that attracted so many foreigners to Japan after the war has more or less disappeared.

As recently as 20 years ago there were still many young Japanese who felt attracted to gaijins, more or less regardless of looks or age, because of their sheer size and "otherness". These foreigners (mostly North-Americans and Australians) symbolized the good life the after-war-generation had grown used to admiring in films and on television.

Nowadays, there are many handsome young Japanese who will only sleep with their own kind, and if they try some sex with a gaijin in a dark sauna-room, they certainly do not want to be seen with him in public.

Therefore, paradoxically, the quest for a lover (or long time companion) seems to be more difficult for many older foreigners than casual sex in an impersonal setting. Even young Westerners, if they are not extraordinarily handsome, seem to suffer from this development. Therefore, our initially quoted idyllic tale, might now be rather the exception which proves the rule. And globetrotters from the West, who might be looking for exotic adventures should be prepared to be somewhat disappointed by modern gay Japan.

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Therefore, nowadays Japan sometimes seems to be more Victorian than contemporary Britain or Germany. Foreigners always marvel at the inconsistencies: At certain matsuris (Shinto-festivals) young and not so young Japanese males still freely exhibit luscious buttocks in undoshi (loincloths). These matsuris are a favorite photo opportunity for foreigners and are called oshiri-no matsuri (buttock-matsuris) by the more appreciative.

Yet, no self-respecting Japanese woman would never bare her breasts on a beach, as German women especially are fond of doing. In sentos (public bathhouses), both sexes just barely cover their most precious parts with a skimpy towel like the ones we use for drying dishes, though bathing together is seldom practiced now (with few exceptions in remote areas).

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Gay Japan
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Two Guest writers reveal the obvious and hidden delights, differences and frustrations of living and visiting in modern gay Japan.
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Also see
Gay Japan News; Reports

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Gay Life in Japan (blog+info)
Page update March 2008

(1) Japanese Cock-Tales
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Thai Guys Magazine, Bangkok
Originally published on www.globalgayz.com/g-japan.html

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I was in Tokyo for a seminar and in the elevator of my hotel I noticed a beautiful young man with pitch-black hair and alabaster-skin smiling at me. To cut a long story short, after a brief conversation in the coffee shop, we ended up in my hotel room and made love passionately. It was like a dream. He wanted nothing from me (other than a lot of tenderness) and he even insisted on paying for the meals we ate out, even though he must have been about half my age. 'This is MY country,' were his words uttered with a smile, but also with a certain pride.

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This was certainly a welcome change from Bangkok, where I had made a short stopover. I missed the opening ceremony of the congress that night. We had lunch (and more) each day after that. He couldn't stay for the night because he still lived with his parents. He said, he was going to get married soon.

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The founder of the Noh-theatre, Zeami Motokiyo (1363-1443), is said to have been the lover of the Ashikaga-shogun. In the urban merchant-cultures of Naniwa (Osaka) and Edo (Tokyo) gay brothels peacefully co-existed with heterosexual ones (see the still fascinating account by Ferdinand Karsch: Das gleichgeschlechtliche Leben der Ostasiaten. München, 1906).


Does this mean that average Japanese are aware of this tradition? Unfortunately not! Educated "gaijins" (foreigners) usually know more about Japan's glorious past than the Japanese themselves. The reason is that, starting with the Meiji-era (1867-1912), Western middle-class moral standards were adopted wholesale whilst, on the other hand, the Western sexual revolution of the sixties was largely missed.


On the last day, he took me to the airport but wouldn't kiss me goodbye, although in his eyes I noticed tears. I really wanted to send him some token of my appreciation from home, but he had not given me his address because, he said, his parents would question him if I were to write. I never heard of him again.Who hasn't heard that kind of story?! Is it still likely to happen?



Japan has a rich tradition of gay life. In that respect, it can almost be compared to the old Spartan civilization. During the Edo-period (1600-1868), many samurais and daimyos (regional rulers) shared their beds with young pages. While women were needed for continuing family lines, many aristocrats considered a young man an object more worthy of passionate or tender attachment. Romantic love-stories between men abound, as is evident from collections such as Saikaku Ihara's (1642-93) Comrade Loves of the Samurai (Tuttle, 1972).

 

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An idiotic law that forbids the showing of pubic hair in photos, films (even in artworks!) is still being enforced--while in most cities and resort areas, especially in certain establishments poetically named "Music", women freely expose their genitals on rotating platforms to eager "salary-men", who-gaping like little boys under an Xmas-tree-are allowed to snap Polaroid pictures. Click, click, click, click!

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Prostitution, which used to be a highly respected and sophisticated form of business in old Japan, is officially outlawed. However, everyone knows, that certain massage parlors at Lake Biwa, called "soaplands", offer precisely that. The setting is all that matters, and the absurdity of it all is part of the attraction.

A good thing for gays (native and foreign) in Japan is that there are officially no laws on the books against homosexuality and the age of consent is remarkably low, though vague. Christian moral values have not been adopted, but are rather an affectation of the bourgeois middle-class. Buddhism, all in all, is more tolerant on sexual mores than Christianity, and the native Shintoism has always wisely avoided the formulation of religious doctrine, as well as their accompanying moral prescriptions.

However, in the spirit of Confucianism, family obligations are still being taken seriously by most Japanese. The pressure to marry (if necessary by arrangement, called omiai) is overpowering. For this reason, you will meet many married men in Japanese gay saunas, especially on Sunday afternoons, yearning for a male embrace after they have taken the children to the zoo or played golf with colleagues from work. Secrecy about their double life is the rule, as it is for extra-marital relations in the straight world. Fortunately for them, the Japanese have a talent for looking the other way.

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In Japanese saunas one will often encounter a scene that would seem to be quite extraordinary in the West: in the hectic semi-darkness of a mixed room you will see a fat young man lying impassively on the "tatami" (reed-mat), while a handsome and muscular suitor is kneeling next to him, eagerly trying to "please" him in every possible way. These fat boys are called "chubbies" (debu) and are very popular in Japan.

They have their own specialized bars and magazines and there will always be those craving "chubbies" exclusively. Strangely enough, drag queens do not seem to command the (almost shaman-like) respect they enjoy in Thailand. Nevertheless, it is sometimes hard in Japan to determine who is, and who is not, because many young men, especially students, uninhibitedly exhibit a female (long-haired) charm that would inevitably lead to derision in the USA or in Germany. A leather-scene practically does not exist in Japan.

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At the entrance to Osaka's most beautiful sauna, Hokuokan (Northern Europe), the startled foreigner will still be greeted by a large sign "Japanese Only". Inside, he will be treated courteously. Not everything is what it seems to be in Japan. Some of the Japanese customers, especially the younger ones, will shy away from foreigners because of their fear of AIDS.
Sometimes it is amusing to watch their fascination with size battle their irrational fears and see which will win out. But one can still observe Japanese indulging in unprotected sex with each other.

The bar-scene is varied and complicated by the well-known difficulty of locating addresses in Japanese cities. It is best, to visit one gaijin-friendly bar (like "Ken's" in Kyoto or "Village" in Osaka-Umeda or "GB" in Tokyo-Shinjuku) and ask the Mama-san (the male, often rather feminine, manager) for directions to other places. The latter also sometimes asks for "your type" and might even try to match you up with another lonely customer. There are bars that welcome foreigners and others that do not. But since there are so many of them, this is not a huge problem. Generally, the gay bars in Japan are much smaller and more intimate than those in the USA or in Europe.

They often consist of a counter, offering seats for about eight customers and perhaps some more seats along the wall. The advantage is that the mama-san feels more responsible for your well-being and will try to engage you in some kind of conversation. The disadvantage is your limited range of operation. You might get stuck between some utter bores and before you can move on to another bar, you will have been relieved of ca. 800 Yen ($7--for the first drink) in Tokyo or Osaka and even 1400 Yen ($12--for the first drink with some tidbits to munch on) in Kyoto and the provinces.

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Most bars will have karaoke (the English songs are usually in the back of the book). Often, you will have to pay 100 Yen for each song you select. Whether you sing well or miserably, you will always receive some polite applause, which the mama-san initiates. If you are good, some customer might ask you to sing his favorite English song. If the mama-san is talented, she might sing along with you. Karaoke is not a bad way to relieve you of your loneliness (at least temporarily).

Park cruising seems to have gone out of fashion in Japan, even though there are some areas with long traditions (as mentioned in the gay guides). The reason may be that the saunas have become more prolific and more comfortable. Besides, in the larger cities there are now sex-clubs with "back-rooms", peepholes or mazes, much like in the USA. These charge slightly less than the saunas (less than 2000 Yen--$16) and mainly cater to customers under forty.

 

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While Japan is probably the last place most would think of for a gay sex tour, and Thailand is the first, each have their unique merits and both offer a bewildering array of sensual experiences, sexual and otherwise. But for me, for all the bawdy heat and willing boys of Bangkok and the straining sexual tension of Tokyo, it was my experience in the foothills of Mount Adatara where I said Sawasdee to my samurai that makes Japan come out on top.

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bars you'll soon realize that many Japanese patrons are just there for the weekend, and all will be willing to tell you about the gay goings-on in their area, and probably take you to bed you as well.

In Koriyama, much the same as most of Japan it seems, you can often find a handsome salaryman who'll get drunk enough to let you get him off in one of the myriad of straight expat-style bars, including one called DownTown (Elite1 bld, 2F, 1-6-15 Ekimae). [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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The best local gay place is Copain (Tel: 024 921-7456), a starkly decorated bar staffed by the lovely master Yamaguchi and another gorgeous, masculine hunk of Japanese manmeat. Very friendly, very reasonable (beers about 700 yen), and not a queen in sight - all suits, S/As and a particularly cuddly bear.[/FONT][/FONT]

 

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Despite the recent crackdown on underage drinking, most would agree that Bangkok's gay nightlife is still second-to-none in Asia--the Silom area alone houses almost 50 gay establishments, compared to around 10 in Shinjuku - something else to bear in mind is that no one you meet in a bar in Tokyo is going to ask you to pay for sex.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]burnished boys? One a vibrant hi-tech society and the other a tropical haven, Japan and Thailand offer two completely different experiences for the gay traveler.

The congested but endlessly seductive city of Bangkok with an indisputably out, loud and proud gay scene may be the first place on anyone's list - the Babylon Sauna alone is worth the price of a return flight from anywhere in the world - but although Tokyo may seem rather more subdued in comparison, there is certainly no less going on. Those sexual samurai are just a little bit harder to find, that's all.[/FONT] [/FONT]
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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 2:58PM - in reply to Uncle Billsby

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/21/2003 1:04AM - in reply to southsiderunner

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]I think an earlier poster hit it on the head. I'm 51. when I was in Junior High, we were told we all had to shower after gym class. Now I see kids on the high school teams go into stalls to change into their shorts. When my dad brought me to the Y for the first time, I couldn't believe everyone swam naked. Same thing at the old North End Boys Club.

And yes, how about a little title nine enforcement on the girls shower situation. Why they had individual stalls and we had the prison camp setting can't be good for their self image.

It is truly weird that today's youth are so sexually liberated, promiscuous at a very young age, and yet so hung up on their bodies. Splain that to me Lucy.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/21/2003 2:29AM - in reply to ray

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]"I like to shower in the locker room and keep my eye out for guys that are obviously uncomfortable with nakedness, then i put my towel over my shoulders and walk up to them and talk to them. even better if they are sitting on the bench, puts their eyeline right at ball height. during the convo they are all squirmy and uncomfortable and don't know where to look, its great, everyone who is comfortable in the locker room should do this.
The original poster of this thread is one of those guys who wears his towel, then pulls his whitey tighties up underneath it. how sad."

We had a guy on the team and I will never forget this. He would do the above exactly. Walk up to a Freshmen who was very uncomfortable. He would walk up towel on head put lean up against the lockers with his junk a foot from there head and say "listen John a couple of upper classman have been getting together, we have been talking (we think you are a hard worker, we really like your attitude, all serious stuff and finish with)we all think you have got a really nice cock. It was hilarious. The reaction was priceless

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 7:02AM - in reply to runr

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]During my first couple years at UB we (the mens team) had an unspoken rule about nakedness in the locker room. There was none! With only one exception though. The biggest, baddest distance runner on the team (George) could go without the fig leave. Why? Because if you said anything to him about his exposer he would jump you, and wrestle you to the ground buck naked! Very disturbing!

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 8:48AM - in reply to Buffalo Alumni

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]the mormons at my high school wear towels around them WHEN showering in the locker rooms. it's kinda funny, cuz then they grab their clothes and go into the bathroom stalls w/ the locks on them and change into their clothes so no one can see them w/ their clothes off. I on the other hand take off everything and eat breakfast while taking my shower. it feels good, and i don't care if they see me, it's not like they've never seen something like it before. Plus after 8 miles at 5 AM, I don't really care what you think about me.

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]When I was a Freshmen in high school we were in the go-between thing between guys and girls locker rooms and two naked guys (football players0 walked in totally naked. It was really gross one was my brother's best friend they were seniors and we were only Freshmen. Guys who walk around naked in locker rooms must be gay, me and my friends could never look at them again without laughing.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 10:03PM - in reply to XC recruitgirl

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]I like to shower in the locker room and keep my eye out for guys that are obviously uncomfortable with nakedness, then i put my towel over my shoulders and walk up to them and talk to them. even better if they are sitting on the bench, puts their eyeline right at ball height. during the convo they are all squirmy and uncomfortable and dont know where to look, its great, everyone who is comfortable in the locker room should do this.
The origonal poster of this thread is one of those guys who wears his towel, then pulls his whitey tighties up underneath it. how sad.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 10:52PM - in reply to oksxccoach

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]When I was in high school (last year), there was no such thing as a personal space bubble. The borderline between "funny because it's gay" and "bad because it's actually gay" was never reached. I was sitting on the floor tying my shoes one day and a naked teammate ran up to me and wiped his sweaty asscrack across my head like you would scan a credit card. Ah, the good old days.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 4:22AM - in reply to locker room stud

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When I was in high school (last year), there was no such thing as a personal space bubble. The borderline between "funny because it's gay" and "bad because it's actually gay" was never reached. I was sitting on the floor tying my shoes one day and a naked teammate ran up to me and wiped his sweaty asscrack across my head like you would scan a credit card. Ah, the good old days.

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Something has been bugging me for quite some time, but I can't exactly bring up the subject with the culprits: What's with all the guys who resist wearing towels in the locker rooms of athletic clubs? I'm using the plural because, though I only belong to one club, I assume the phenomenon is widespread. I'm not a prude, but there's something really creepy about flabby 60-year-olds standing shaving/gabbing/strolling etc. buck naked when they could easily wrap towels around their waists.

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My theory, for what it's worth, is that many of these people have not participated in high school or college athletics, thereby learning a few important things about locker room etiquette. I ran track and xc in college not long ago, and everybody wore towels except, naturally, in the shower. There's just no reason to display your garbage to the world if you don't have to.

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Your theory is wrong, back in the day we weren't so insecure as you obviously are and someone wearing a towel would have been rather strange. Certainly putting a towel on to go to the shower after XC or Rugby when you're covered in mud would have been crazy! Communal showering was usually a surprise when first encountered at about 12yo but everyone got over it fairly rapidly, clearly you didn't. The fact that you refer to it as 'garbage' clearly indicates a problem and I suggest counselling.

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Because showering naked is normal and being naked in a locker room is nothing to get hung up about!

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/20/2003 6:04AM - in reply to Phil.

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[TD="class: ForumTable2"]Prudes indeed. I take a dump - wipe my ass - show the used toilet paper to my team and the next thing you know they say I was harrassing them. Getting naked, shitting together and watching German Poop tapes this is the stuff of Champions.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/31/2004 11:01PM - in reply to CO-Runner

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There was rarely any open package-checking, but once in a while, some big swinging dick would declare himself king of the johnsons and call out a particular dude for a face off. I don't recall any of these competitions ever getting off the ground, but there was generally money wagered, sides chosen up and lots of pointless dick comments fired back and forth.

I fell somewhere in between, feeling pity for the dudes who were ashamed of their action, but wishing some of these other guys would pack it in from time to time. Nowadays, I basically change quickly in small stalls, usually in a hurry. I miss the locker room atmosphere, but upon reflection, its probably not because of the johnsons.

Now I'm in my 30's and haven't wandered around naked in front of other guys in a while, except for a trip to Europe, but that's different. I remember a July 4th barbecue with some bare-assed antics too, but there were chicks there, so I guess that doesn't count either. I'd welcome an old-timers day, I suppose, although I'd probably be more turned off by the guts involved, including my own,than anything else. I don't know what it means, but as I write this from my office, I bet my colleagues outside would be shocked by my bare-assed history and would think I was a bit freewheeling, which makes me somehow feel like I'm in the wrong job.

Sometimes I'll come out of the shower in my place and walk around without a towel, and then realize that the curtains are open and my neighbors can probably see. I'll feel a momentary embarassment and go for the blinds, but then I'll say the hell with it, this is my place and my johnson, so what do I care?

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:11AM - in reply to Ex-Ivy

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Didn't I catch you hiding under the bench in the sauna of the men's locker room at Bally's last week.
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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:32AM - in reply to

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I have no problems with dudes walking around bare ass nekid. The ones that get me are those who bring their junk a little too close to you and/or others with changing and conversing. There are just certain levels of proper locker room decorum.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:41AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious

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ridiculous... my god... if you cannot stand to see the guys' packages then don't look if you truly don't want. just cuz you see a guys wang doesn't mean that you're gay or that they are trying to make people uncomfortable by having it out. Our team walks around naked all the time and we just have a good laugh about it and don't think about it anymore. it makes for some good jokes and what not. get over your fear of being thought of as gay and rock out with your cock out

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 8:43AM - in reply to D3 Running

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:15AM - in reply to runr

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:26AM - in reply to Sound and Vision

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S&V, Next time you visit your friends please bring a digital camera and snap a shot to share with us all. It might not be the gentlemanly thing to do, but it would be the manly/humanitarian thing to do (unless you friend's naked showering friend is a sorry sight. If that is the case, I feel for you).

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In college, I always enjoyed the freedom of wandering around the locker room with my johnson unleashed. The locker room was sort of a johnson-free zone-- our private space, where we could crank up some tunes after a workout and let things swing....

Now there were guys who would do things like wear sandals into the shower... these dudes usually whipped their towels tightly around their small packages immediately upon exiting, usually after a nervous 20 second shower. These guys usually snuck in an extra half mile on the warm down to hit their log goal, and usually had to get back to their dorm right away to study engineering. They let loose maybe once per season, getting ridiculously trashed at team parties.


Other guys took it too far, sitting around reading shit, going from locker to locker talking trash, laying out on benches, and in one memorable case, eating a tuna fish sandwich, completely buck naked, almost luxuriating in their manhood. Most of these guys did pretty well with the ladies, as I recall, and often drank heavily on weeknights at local townie bars. They sometimes initiated interesting discussions, such as the relative merits of attending class commando-style, their favorite "nookie pants," and their perception of various ladies' preferences with regard to respective johnsons.

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naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:01AM

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Something has been bugging me for quite some time, but I can't exactly bring

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up the subject with the culprits: What's with all the guys who resist wearing towels in the locker rooms of athletic clubs? I'm using the plural because, though I only belong to one club, I assume the phenomenon is widespread. I'm not a prude, but there's something really creepy about flabby 60-year-olds standing shaving/gabbing/strolling etc. buck naked when they could easily wrap towels around their waists.

My theory, for what it's worth, is that many of these people have not participated in high school or college athletics, thereby learning a few important things about locker room etiquette. I ran track and xc in college not long ago, and everybody wore towels except, naturally, in the shower. There's just no reason to display your garbage to the world if you don't have to.

If you're one of the no-towel types, I'd like to hear why you do it.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:03AM - in reply to runr

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Women do it too. Pretty gross.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:03AM - in reply to runr

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naked guy in the locker room who invades my space and insists and getting far to close to me or others is truly disgusting. serious social violation.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:07AM - in reply to runr

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Personally I wear a towel all the time except for the few seconds I don't have to while getting dressed or getting in the shower, but that is only because Flagpole Willy cares about everyone and their feelings.

Don't want everyone else feeling badly about their shortcomings you know.

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[TD="class: ForumHeader"]mmm, naked 60 yr olds
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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:07AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious

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People that age grew up with different norms for locker room behavior. When they were kids they actually showered after gym class. I doubt it was because they lack your vast experience as an athlete; if anything, people who never spent time in locker rooms tend to cower in corners.

Besides, if I haven't showered yet, I don't wrap my towel around my sweaty body. Why get the towel dirty to avoid offending your sexual insecurities?

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 6:09AM - in reply to runr

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It was easy to wrap a towel around myself when I was a young runner. When you grow a gut, you can't keep the damn towel on, and it just falls on the floor anyway.

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RE: naked guys in locker rooms 12/19/2003 7:11AM - in reply to You Can't Be Serious

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This is an interesting viewpoint. I am a twenty-something and in college and in high school, the people who wore towels, of which I once was, were looked upon with contempt and disgust. I think the rationale was that those individuals had very small penises and were hiding them or else they were afraid of revealing their erections it was presumed they might be having (although I am not sure a towel would do much to hide an erection, that was the logic used by teenagers). Before long, I ditched the towel and found it didn't really bother me or anyone else. I personally am not offended by any person who goes without a towel nor do I scoff at those who carry one. It seems pretty irrelevant. I don't know what social norms are expected in a place like a locker room, but I either don't know them or I ignore them.

On an interesting side note, I went to a female friends apartment last night to spend some time there, and upon entering, I found one of them completely nude in her shower--naturally--and one of her other roommates standing there combing her hair in the same bathroom with the door wide open. Being a gentleman, I chose not to stand there and gawk but I did see enough to figure out that neither girl appeared disconcerted or bothered by the one naked female. I guess this means girls, or at least these two, don't appear to have the same hangup guys do.

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(and his pre-cum mixed together) and while I sucked his cock - and spit out pre-cum and spit every few minutes - I would take the jizz/spit in my right hand and lube up my asshole getting ready for the right moment to sit on his cock.
While he's moaning, he was still resisting a bit but, boys being boys (and the apple not falling too far from the tree) any guy is do-able with enough alcohol and opportunity). I begin to feel his balls getting swollen and don't want him to come so I stop blowing him and concentrate on licking his balls and reaching my tongue down to his asshole. Now, being he's my father, I figure he likes all the same things I do so, I start pushing up his legs and he actually begins to move every so slightly, as I dig my tongue into his asshole. His dicks spitting pre-cum, his asshole is wet and I'm ready to be fucked.

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I'm filled with mixed emotions. I'm scared, horny, scared and then more horny and not fully hard myself. He begins to moan so much I panic that he's going to cum so I pull my head out his ass and straddle him but, I slide his cock in me as I straddle him. He hurt liked hell as he was bigger and thicker then I expected. I heard him moan out loud (really loud) as I slide his cock all the way in and I started pumping my ass up and down on my father's cock. I grab his balls with my right hand so I can feel his hairy balls slap my ass against me as I help him fuck me. This goes on for about five minutes and he's moaning and moaning and moaning and then I feel it. I feel his head swell up inside me and and literally screams out "I'm cumming! I'm cumming!". He cums all right. He cums so much that it's dripping out of my asshole onto his balls. When he's done cumming, I jump off him and lick up his cum and suck all of it off his dick. I even lick all of his pubic hair free of cum ans spit. He's just laying there not saying a word (I think he's in shock). I get down and start licking his balls, as I'm stroking myself and it takes all of nine strokes and I'm shooting my load on his bedspread.

(God, my heart was pounding just writing about this event and wishing I could do it again and again and again.)

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So, what happens next? I leave his room, not a word is spoken. He eventually closes his door and I hear the lock click shut. The following morning, I get up, jerk off in bed to the images from the night before and head down to breakfast. On the kitchen table is a note that says, "please leave and never come back". So, you see, you can search all of your life for the ultimate connection with your dad and never find it. Sometimes, when you do find it and get it out of your system, there's nothing left but, the memory. My dad died last year of kidney disease and I hope he died a happy man.

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I have no inhibit
ions so, I spend my weekends (at his house) running to and from the bathroom with a towel around my waist or, no towel at all. One night, after we had more than a few beers (and a shot a piece) I excused myself from the living room, got into my designated bedroom and stripped down to nothing. I left the door open a foot and and started to jerk off. The light from the window was more than enough light for my father to walk by, duck in to say good-night and for him to see (and figure out) that I was masturbating. Sure enough, ten minutes later (don't know how I even held off cumming that long) I heard him lumbering up the stairs. My heart was beating so fast that I was starting to lose my hard on. I cupped the left hand around the base of my cock and balls in order to keep my erection. Just as I'm cupping my cock, my father ducks his head inside and says good-night but, he only gets out the word "good" and then says, "excuse me". I shout out, "oh" and he quietly closes the door until I hear it click. Now, I'm all worked up and almost explode with the excitement of him seeing my cock and nuts in their full glory.

While it's an achievement to get him to see my junk, I have other plans. My goal is

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simple. I want his cock inside me. I want his cock head getting swollen inside me and I want to feel his balls tighten up, as he shoots his seed (the seed he used to create me) inside me. I want to lick his seed off his cock after he exits me and then i want to do it again and again and again. The next day I begin setting up the scenario that may just get me what I want. Now, he has no clue I'm gay, has no clue I want to have sex with him and thinks that all my running around giving him a cock shot, here and there, is just a young guy being a young guy, hanging out with his dad.
The following morning, we go fishing. I like to fish and that's a trait that all in the family seems to share. One good thing about fishing from a boat is that when you have to take a piss, there's no where to go but in the lake. So, we're out for a few hours and we're in this little cove and I stand up, undo my button and pull out my dick out to take a piss. My father takes a few glances and keeps on fishing. Now, I had a pee-chubby to begin with so I was looking pretty good in size and my dad says "so the apple don't fall far from the tree does it?" I smiled, laughed and sat back down and grabbed my pole (not the pole I wanted to grab but, a pole nonetheless).

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We caught a few decent sized trout and that's what we had for dinner. I'm sitting at dinner in a t-shirt and boxers as I had to take a shower when we got home and he did the same. While I used the guest bathroom, he used his bathroom in his master bedroom. It was during this time I got to take a decent look at his cock. I needed some boxers (as I don't own any) and waited for him to start the shower, heard him close the shower door and then I went in to ask if I could borrow a pair of his shorts. My father's bathroom was state of the art, as he's a plumber so, he's got all the goodies - including a glass door on the shower. I first saw him in profile and could see his cock hanging over his balls and I swear I was seeing John's cock. As I entered the bathroom he turned to me and there it was in all its glory. As he was washing his junk, he pulled on it (in front me) a few times and I could see a bit of growth. He turned his back to me as he told me to grab a pair of shorts and it was kind of funny as I spent time in his shorts drawer smelling his crotch smell while trying to find a pair of shorts to wear. As he turned the shower off, I grabbed a pair of shorts that had little flecks blue color that had no design. They were blue.

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So, here we are eating fish in the kitchen and my dick and balls are sitting there for him to look at (if he wishes) as his shorts are big on me and I could have being wearing tent. I'm skinny and he's tall and wider then me so, do the math. I see him take a few cursory looks every now and again but nothing to telling. I'm beginning to think that my fantasy may just stay a fantasy after all. I decide its time to turn up the heat a bit so I suggest we go out and have a few beers. He lives in a town called Manville, NJ, which is not a great place to go out and find a place where one can drink and talk quietly. The hick bars can be a bit rowdy so, I suggest we go one town over (which we do) and we stop at a Tavern. We down a few beers and I start buying him shots. One of us has to drive and I volunteer, as he's already had a few shots and I'm sipping short beers. It's 12:30 AM and time to go. He's had four shots and three and a half beers and he's not much of a drinker.

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He did not need help to the car but, certainly needed some help getting out of the car and into the house. We're not exchanging much in the way of words but, he's indicating it's time for bed and walk him into the bedroom and like I gave him a small push, he heads for the bed - without breaks. He falls softly on the bed and onto his back and I walk over to him and sit on the end of the bed and take off his shoes, I then pull off his socks and ask him if he needs anything else. He wants take a shower and I ask him if he needs help and he says "no". As I start to leave the room, he starts to pull off his pants as he heads for the bathroom. I hear him take a long pee and then I hear the shower start. I put on his boxers and t-shirt and wait until I hear the shower door closes. A few minutes go by and I walk into the bathroom asking him if I could borrow his razor in the morning and he says "sure". As I'm standing there I see him growing a bit. He's soaped up and tugging on his cock and he's just growing. I start to grow myself and actually get embarrassed and turn to my left and walk out the bathroom door. I go back to my bedroom and take off my t-shirt and boxers and get into bed.

I hear the shower stop, hear the bathroom door close and could even hear him fall into bed. I lay there for what seemed the longest time and then got up and went to the edge of his door. He was laying their with his hands behind his head, eyes closed and naked. He had a hard on and I just walked in slowly (naked myself) and asked him if he was okay. He smiled and said nothing. This is that moment I talked about earlier. This is that moment when you either do what you set out to do or do noting at all. I approached the bed with a full hard on, looked at his erect cock and approached the bed as though I was going to sit down but, detoured to his cock and put my mouth on his cock head and grabbed his balls gently. He went to push me away but he had enough liquor in him where he wasn't not about to push much away. I sucked on his cock and felt him grow in my mouth to a full erection. He had an erection when I walked in the room but, now he had a FULL erection. If I had never walked in his room, he probably would have jerked off.

I sucked on his cock real hard to keep him erect and I started to take my spit