Supernatural / Jensen Ackles / Jared Padelecki [merged]

[Sausy]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

I wonder what Zacharia meant when asked by Dean where God is in all this,he casually states "God has left the building".

The way things look here now,between the horror of the demons and the arrogance,coldness and condescension of the angel leadership,there is no rooting for anyone now the stage for the Apolcalypse has been set.

Pamela and that Reaper were dead on in their cautionary last messages to the Winchester brothers....with Lucifer now about to be freed up from hell,at least Sam and Dean were able to reconcile,especially with Sam remorseful he had been played by Ruby.What a bitch and thankfully,she is gone forever.Lilith as well....though now thae brothers have their work to stop the seemingly inevitable carnage of Armageddon cut out for them as an understatement.


Read that Castiel(Misha Collins) will be a regular next year.Wonder if that's confirmed?Glad to see Castiel go with his instincts and do the right thing,helping Dean get to Sam....hoping to see more of Anna next season as well.The last year of Supernatural should provide one,pardon the pun,"hell" of a ride!

 

[aijalon18]

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I read about Misha being a regular as well. But Supernatural always has budget problems. That's why they couldnt afford Katie Cassidy anymore and they limited the amount of times the other girl appeared. I think they have to keep Castiel around a little to tie up loose ends.

 

[Sammie13]

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Pretty good finale for Supernatural. Perhaps I was expecting a tad more, but it was still solid. I, too, hope Castiel and his sexy voice are back next season.

 

[falconfan]

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I did expect a little more on-screen angel action tbqh. I would have liked to see what an archangel looked like. It was pretty lame to only see the bright lights and ominous rumbling AGAIN. And it seemed so bizarre that Lucifer was rising and the angels were pretty much sitting there and fighting with each other.

As far as Ruby, I figured it was gonna go exactly as it did. I'm not dissatisfied, but I wish there was a way to keep a female character around without fangirls/boys going completely ballistic. Maybe Anna could have showed up.

I give you major props if you figured out that Ruby was trying to get Sam to kill Lillith FOR Lilith. I always figured that Ruby wasn't a 'good' guy and that she always had her own agenda but after seeing the way she interacted with Alistair and other demons I was relatively sure that she wasn't with Lilith. I had predicted that she was more of a rouge demon who expected Sam to be the ultimate evil and wanted to get in on his good side and kind of rule beside him... kind of like she was a competitor to Lilith rather than a minion.

I don't mind them holding back on the archangels for two reasons. 1) I know they have budget issues. 2) I'm sure they'll play a part in the next season and I like some suspense and it gives them some ability to pull it out as a surprise.

My gut tells me that Anna will be back and will feature heavily next season with Castiel. I think there's gonna be heaven, hell, and the rouge angels in between and that our boys will likely be with the rouge group. But who knows. The fangirls/boys have gotten better though when you compare the Jo/Bela fallout with that of Anna and Ruby (or Meg who fans seemed to love). I feel like when the characters grow organically from the story, and you can tell which ones do, then they go over better.

As far as the angels sitting around and letting Lucifer rise that makes PERFECT sense in the context of the episode. Heaven wants the apocalypse to happen so it can have it's finally victory. Actually when I was explaining the arc of the season to someone they asked me why heaven would try ot stop the apocalypse because it's a biblical phenomenon that's triggered by God's will. It's our human bias that assumes that the heavens would want to stop something that would cause mass death when it's really part of their 'plan'

 

[falconfan]

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I liked the season finale too. But did I hear Ruby say that Sam had those powers all the time and really didnt need to drink demon blood, if so why was he having withdrawls last week

Know it wasn't that Sam had the "power" he clearly needed the blood because he was unable to take out Ruby. She was saying that he had "it" inside him all along in response to his accuastion that she manipulated him. She was saying he had the killer instinct, the willingness to kill that women, all that ruthlessness in him all along.

 

[Sammie13]

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Here's an interesting link to a Q&A with Misha Collins. He says he will be back for season #5 and that, in fact, the show could have a season #6 since both Jared and Jensen are under contract.

http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEJW9MOMi2alMS

 

[willsboy84]

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finale was a bit of a letdown, but most shows' finales are. heaven, hell, angels, demons....that stuff usually creeps me the hell out, but i did enjoy where they went with the storyline this season.

the thing with Ruby surprised me. i figured she was up to something, but like falcon, i was thinking it had something to do with allying herself with Sam.

it would be sweet as hell, if they could somehow bring Bela back next season. maybe as some kick-ass, superbitch from hell or something. also wouldn't mind seeing John back for a major story.

 

[clorox]

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I actually think that Ruby was referring to the blood. She says something like "...it wasn't the blood, it was you and your choices...You didn't need the feather to fly, you had it in you the whole time Dumbo." Diluted demon blood wouldn't do anything for Sam after he's already had Azazel's. I think Sam's whole subconscious I don't want a be a monster thing was holding him back. Remember back to season two when they had the special children wars. The psychic strong black guy and the demon controlling girl both say its like dominoes once you give in you can do anything, but as a side effect you go evil. I think Sam's been blocking his powers this whole time so he wouldn't be a monster and drinking the blood gave him some kind of control over himself. By doing something external, drinking blood, he could believe that he could stop being "bad" anytime he wanted. Also Sam saying that he can feel himself changing inside is right inline with what both the other strong demon children felt, going evil.

The whole withdrawal episode actually reinforces that Sam doesn't need the blood to use his powers. He was telekinetically throwing himself against the walls (long after what Bobby thought should be necessary for detox) fighting his own inner demons, fearing becoming a monster. Sam is not addicted to the blood, but he is addicted to using his powers just like the other two psychic children when they gave in, using his powers makes the demon side of him grow. Sam's addiction is unfortunately like an IV drug and constantly there that is why he never would have gotten better. Also, Ruby had plans to train him properly before the end of the last season, but at one point she says it's too late and there is no more time.

Ok, on to the next thing. Ruby has been giving half truths the entire time she was with the Winchester boys and one of the things she says is that Lilith and Sam are in a fight over hells armies. Lilith is now dead and Sam is alive so he controls hell right now, but he just doesn't really seem to have the power to keep multiple Alistair level demons in line (maybe if he had trained properly, it has always seemed to me that Sam is throwing power at the demons instead of just doing enough to kill them like using a cannon to kill a fly). Lucifer tells Azazel that he needs a very special child, I don't think he needed Sam to kill Lilith. I think Lilith was very much prepared to kill herself if Sam flaked out, the bowl of blood and other things on the alter. The blood gate on the ground seemed to have been necessary for Lucifer's release. They made it a point to show us the contents of the bowl that the demon brought her and that Lilith hit her head against the altar. I'm thinking Lilith probably would have used the bowl of blood in place of her own, magic knives wouldn't work on her so it would have to be magic that she used to commit suicide.
Who else thinks Sam is going to be Lucifer's vessel?


edit: I loved Ruby last season, but this actress just didn't have "it" for me. I've been waiting for her to die all season, but I did buy into thinking she was a good gal. It finally makes complete sense on why she fixed the Colt though if that knife doesn't kill upper level demons.

 

[clorox]

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oh and does anyone understand the demon eye color thing? Did they just forgo the yellow for all the powerful demons because it was more expensive or is there some special reason that guy had yellow eyes and the other strong demons had white.

 

[falconfan]

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Well it's been officially announced Jensen and Jared are both contracted up to season 6 which conflicts with the fact that series creator Eric Kripke is signed only to 5 seasons and since the inception of the series has insisted that he wants the series to end at 5 seasons.

I have mixed thoughts. If they succeed in vanquishing Lucifer in season 5 I can't imagine where they could possibly go for a next season. I can't help but fear that the series could suffer if they don't resign Kripike (unless they promote long time writer Sara Gambles, but that seems unlikely considering she's rumored to have her own pilot in the works. Ben Edlund would also make a good replacement though)

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/supernatural/jensen-and-jared-definitely-in-29055.aspx

 

[aijalon18]

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Well it's been officially announced Jensen and Jared are both contracted up to season 6 which conflicts with the fact that series creator Eric Kripke is signed only to 5 seasons and since the inception of the series has insisted that he wants the series to end at 5 seasons.

I have mixed thoughts. If they succeed in vanquishing Lucifer in season 5 I can't imagine where they could possibly go for a next season. I can't help but fear that the series could suffer if they don't resign Kripike (unless they promote long time writer Sara Gambles, but that seems unlikely considering she's rumored to have her own pilot in the works. Ben Edlund would also make a good replacement though)

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/supernatural/jensen-and-jared-definitely-in-29055.aspx

I wouldnt imagine Lucifer could be vanquished but merely trapped or imprisoned again.

 

[falconfan]

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I wouldnt imagine Lucifer could be vanquished but merely trapped or imprisoned again.

Well that's what I meant but if it is THE Apocalypse then I mean it's plausible that he could be destroyed at the end of time.

 

[sandcastledisco]

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i am still kinda lost on the finale but it was friggin crazy!
so is Sam bad now? and is Dean gonna kill Lucifer or did they trick him, I was tired from work and making coffee at random parts of the episode, Falconfan can you help me please <3

ps. Sorry for bumping, i see Supernatural and my fanboy goes hard

 

[falconfan]

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i am still kinda lost on the finale but it was friggin crazy!
so is Sam bad now? and is Dean gonna kill Lucifer or did they trick him, I was tired from work and making coffee at random parts of the episode, Falconfan can you help me please <3

ps. Sorry for bumping, i see Supernatural and my fanboy goes hard

Never apologize for bumping a SPN thread

As to your questions... Is Sam bad? Sam is Sam. Nothing has fundamentally changed about his character other than the realization that the person he trusted was leading him to work for Lucifer rather than against him.

As for whether Dean will kill Lucifer. That's in the air. It's clear that the angels believe he is destined to do so and I'm sure that's what the next season will eb about but I geuss we'll just have to see how that turns out.

 

[sandcastledisco]

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Never apologize for bumping a SPN thread

As to your questions... Is Sam bad? Sam is Sam. Nothing has fundamentally changed about his character other than the realization that the person he trusted was leading him to work for Lucifer rather than against him.

As for whether Dean will kill Lucifer. That's in the air. It's clear that the angels believe he is destined to do so and I'm sure that's what the next season will eb about but I geuss we'll just have to see how that turns out.

okay good cause thats what i was thinking was going on but wasnt sure, i hated that girl anyways, she was gettin to close to my Sam lol, lucifer too

 

[Apollo]

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Reading some stuff around the internet, it seems Castiel survives Zacharias going all arch angel on his ass at the prophets house.

I think Castiel might have actually killed the arch angel or went super rogue and is gonna help Dean kill Lucifer.

I must say, I am soooo excited to see how they do Lucifer in this final season. It is definitely going to be epic no matter what they do.

Also, according to rumors, Sam will rejoin Dean, but he will still be dealing with the demon blood addiction. So there could be a possible story line where Lucifer is able to convince Sam to go to his side.

 

[falconfan]

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Well my assumption is that Sam is meant to be Lucifer's host and Dean is meant to host for either Michael or be the second coming but because they have their nifty little 'anti-possession' tattoos neither one of them will be able to be possessed unless they consent by removing them.

 

[Apollo]

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Well my assumption is that Sam is meant to be Lucifer's host and Dean is meant to host for either Michael or be the second coming but because they have their nifty little 'anti-possession' tattoos neither one of them will be able to be possessed unless they consent by removing them.

That's what I thought about Sam to, but I think Sam was only meant to open the cage to let Lucifer out.

But with Sam still being addicted to the demon blood, Lucifer might be effective in geting Sam to get rid of the tattoo, making him Lucifer's permanent body.

I don't think Dean was ever meant to be possessed. I think he is just the person what is supposed to take down Lucifer, and he would be one of the only humans to make it to paradise with the angels.

Dean is definitely not going to be letting any Angels in his body now seeing what he knows about the Angels now, minus Cas and Anna.

And what do you think they did to Anna?

 

[falconfan]

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That's what I thought about Sam to, but I think Sam was only meant to open the cage to let Lucifer out.

But with Sam still being addicted to the demon blood, Lucifer might be effective in geting Sam to get rid of the tattoo, making him Lucifer's permanent body.

I don't think Dean was ever meant to be possessed. I think he is just the person what is supposed to take down Lucifer, and he would be one of the only humans to make it to paradise with the angels.

Dean is definitely not going to be letting any Angels in his body now seeing what he knows about the Angels now, minus Cas and Anna.

And what do you think they did to Anna?

Well they try to stick to Christian mythology pretty strictly. Now the book of the Apocalypse states that an "angel" will chain Satan up for a thousand years, after which he will be freed and "God" will cast him into a pit of fire and brimstone.

So if Dean is meant to take down Satan he has to be at the very least an angel and at most the second coming itself.

I think Anna will resurface and become Dean's serious love interest.

 

[Apollo]

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Well they try to stick to Christian mythology pretty strictly. Now the book of the Apocalypse states that an "angel" will chain Satan up for a thousand years, after which he will be freed and "God" will cast him into a pit of fire and brimstone.

So if Dean is meant to take down Satan he has to be at the very least an angel and at most the second coming itself.

I think Anna will resurface and become Dean's serious love interest.

True, but they also have that second prophet who is writing the new gospel of what is going to happen. This might the writers way of getting away with some stuff without staying too close to the bible.

I agree on the Anna part. That would be pretty interesting.