Supernatural / Jensen Ackles / Jared Padelecki [merged]

[falconfan]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

EXACTLY! Cas dying should have been almost like Sam dying for Dean. That's why I have been holding out hope that we havent seen the last of Cas. Only Im not sure how they could bring him back.

But now I think about it, season 6 was a big clusterfuck. LOL. There must have been 50 writers who had no clue what the others were doing. Who could forget the "oh-so-powerful, defeated-2-episodes-after-she-appeared" Mother of All?

Well it's because Kripke stepped out as the show runner. He has brought the five season vision he'd kept in mind from the pilot to fruition and as far as he was concerned their story was done. Clearly with plenty of fans, cast, and crew ready to keep going (and plenty of residuals bound to be brought in for him) he wasn't going to end the show so he handed over control.

And two or three episodes in it became clear that none of those writers had a grander sense of the boys "story." It became more "LOOK we're being mysterious" instead of actually being mysterious by NOT trying look mysterious (the way the show rather deftly handled Ruby in it's heyday). It all felt like Sera Gamble sent the writers on summer break with an assignment to each come up wiht three ideas of how the series could continue and then they executed all of them at once. It was awful. None of it made sense. They destroyed the characters and wipes out five years of consistent specifically motivated personalities.

I was listening to an interview once where Eric Kripke banned umbrellas from the set because he felt Sam and Dean would be too rough and tumble for umbrellas... that's absurd! But it tells me one thing that made me very at ease. He KNEW his characters. He knew their nuances their reactions. Everything they did they did because THEY would do them not because it would help the writers get to a point in the story that they think is 'cool' or is necessary but was difficult to introduce. Nothing was forced. Characters lived and breathed and acted and died as who they were and so they felt like peopel and we empathized with them as people.

I also don't think we've seen the end to Cas. They got rid of him way too dismissively.

 

[falconfan]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

It would only come across that way if their bond was legit presented as homoerotic in the first place. The show has always played it as more of a platonic bond so I get why they're going on about the two of them being 'like brothers.'

I actually think it's very sweet.

No nothign was every played like that but I think one could make the case there was some tension to that effect. Cas had an unnaturally strong desire to please Dean. Their relationship really began as a one way street where Dean would mouth off and Cas just would admire his spirit and will. Cas sacraficed himself for Dean multiple times. Cas learned how to feel, experience emotion because of Dean. He resented Anna greatly, selling her out. I think there was room for it to be viewed that Cas developed a crush on Dean and I think that if it wasn't a major network show with 0 female leads that might've been explored.

 

[SuperNatural]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

I cried like a baby while watching this episode :'( I so wish there would be a way to get Bobby back! Can't imagine the show without him! I felt like my soul cracked there a little when i saw this scene, and when i saw his speach to his dad: "I adopted 2 boys and the grew up great! They grew up heroes! So go to hell!!"

 

[aijalon18]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

No nothign was every played like that but I think one could make the case there was some tension to that effect. Cas had an unnaturally strong desire to please Dean. Their relationship really began as a one way street where Dean would mouth off and Cas just would admire his spirit and will. Cas sacraficed himself for Dean multiple times. Cas learned how to feel, experience emotion because of Dean. He resented Anna greatly, selling her out. I think there was room for it to be viewed that Cas developed a crush on Dean and I think that if it wasn't a major network show with 0 female leads that might've been explored.

Ha! Do u remember there was a time when I suggested there was this tension and you said I was so wrong? Lol

 

[falconfan]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

Ha! Do u remember there was a time when I suggested there was this tension and you said I was so wrong? Lol

I actually have no recollection of that.

 

[falconfan]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

There is room for that interpretation, yes.

But ultimately I don't believe that their connection, their synergy is rooted in romantic love or lust or a crush. etc

Would it be an interesting angle to explore? Well, that's what I have fanfic for but I'm not too keen on the idea of it being addressed on the show.

I don't know what fan fic is really for other than fantasy indulgence. I think there's room for such questions in a show if it hopes to elevate itself beyond bland procedural but I don't think it's strictly necessary. Either way they simultaneously PLAYED to it with subtle word play and increasingly obvious winks (Between Dean promising Cas he wouldn't die a virgin and Cas watching porn in their motel room it was obvious that the writers were Teeing up fan fic writers in their crazy fanbase).

But I think on a more SERIOUS level it could have opened up a ton of story avenues for the characters and explored fairly classical character acrhetypes in a new context. I mean think about it.... how would Cas an angel already in rebellion from heaven but never wavering in his faith in God grapple with the realization that he had "sinful" desires? How would he react when faced to admit to himself those desires are ultimately fruitless? That the only emotion he has ever felt, a loyalty and care that was so deeply rooted that he turned his back on his whole life turned out to be part and parcel of the great pain of rejection and unrequited desire? What does that character do with that? He doesn't HAVE emotions other than those that bound him humans a basic empathy which has grown with bits and pieces of anger or hurt but such things weren't cracked open and explored fully or explicitly. How does he now interact with Dean, this leader figure he has followed tirelessly? Does he still sacrifice himself for him? Does he allow himself to be bossed around because he believes in the cause or does he write that up to being part of his failed crush.

And how does it affect Dean? The way he interacts with Cas? The way he used to pour his emotions out to him. Is he still as raw? Is he hesitant or afraid? Would he still pressure him and manipulate him? Why? Kneejerk homophobia or genuine concern that such things would play up a dynamic that cuts his friend deeper than he realized? How does a man who's defined himself through his masculinity deal with the blindside that his closest male friend loves him?

It could've actually been a really interesting, intelligent, original dynamic. It could've been thought provoking, full of emotion, and fraught with harsh lose/lose situations. But they decided to just giggle and basically make coded middle school dick jokes.... which is a shame. Not that I expected primetime network television to explore the implications of such a dynamic. Especially not on a show that already has so little female presence. But it's a shame they tried to retroactively rewrite history and bulldozed the ample set up they accidentally gave themselves.

 

[falconfan]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

Well the time for this has passed. This is somethign they'd need to pull the trigger on circa season 5 but I don't think it would be at all odd for Cas who at the time was exploring what it meant to have 'emotions' and be human to wonder about the depths of his feelings for Dean. They were obviously deeper than for any person he'd ever encountered and traditionally such a bond as portrayed as non platonic love. So I think it would've personally been on par for him to be discovering such attractions.

Also I never really viewed him as "non-sexual." They always seemed to shoehorn the subject of sex in around him where it need not be like they're bringing attention to his ability to be a sexual being. Also I never would imagine any story would show Dean reciprocating the emotion. To ring true to the characters and the universe it would be a story about Castiel loving him and realizing the full spectrum of 'humanity' and 'emotion' and those traits he fought so valiantly for and to realize there's a downside to love.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that exploring the possibility of Cas loving Dean doesn't have to be "fan fictiony." It could be serious, and insightful, and intelligently even artfully done in a painfully emotional way but they choose to make it fan fictiony by winking at the tension instead of flat out ignoring it or acknowledging it.

 

[aijalon18]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

^Agreed. I dont think Dean would be Castiel's bf but I think he would realize he had a love for him that was beyd friendship and brotherhood. Castiel once said it best as he described he and Dean as having a "profound bond".

 

[willsboy84]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

Okay, so the show has been something of a disappointment lately--maybe that's pushing it, but whatevs. Either way, I still hate hiatus time. Last ep was a bit of a bumma...almost had the kid choked up, but fortunately I was riding a good buzz, so I kept it together Dick looking utterly DELICOUS, sitting in that limousine helped too. Personally, I think James Patrick Stuart's even sexier now, than he was damn near 2 decades ago--damn did I used to sweat Will Cortlandt.

Still love him to death, but DAMN IT, Jared's forehead is just outta control sometimes.Seriously. Been having somewhat of a renewed interest in Jensen lately. He's aging very nicely, imo...and lord knows how I love the dilfs

 

[falconfan]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

I think Jensen looks much more attractive now than in his Dark Angel days and I personally think it's because he has kind of a baby face. So even though he's in his early 30s he only looks like he's in his late 20s.

 

[aijalon18]

Re: Supernatural's back, baby!

I think Jensen looks much more attractive now than in his Dark Angel days and I personally think it's because he has kind of a baby face. So even though he's in his early 30s he only looks like he's in his late 20s.

True dat. lol. He looked so average on Dark Angel.( But Jessica Alba looked her best back then imo.) And he looked weird with blonde hair on smallville, plus I hated his character.

 

[Sigma-taylor-E]

Re: Anyone?

There is a Spn thread already...

 

[AbnormalDann]

Like most shows, Supernatural has had ups and downs. Enjoying most of this season!

 

[neoachilles]

Benderboy, the season picked up again last night. The new episode should be online if you want to catch up.

 

[falconfan]

They merged Jensen's thread into Jared's and into Supernatural? They're separate human beings.

 

[willsboy84]

So...did I miss something, or has Jared been kinda selfish with the skin so far this season? I really hope his Hollywood career crashes and burns, and he's left with no other option but to turn to porn. Str8 or gay, I really don't give a damn...I just wanna see da goods!!!


Damn...guess that's a lil' selfish too, huh? DAMN IT, though!!! It's just so wrong to have a body like that covered up so much....isn't it?

Do you know that I can sit through the Friday the 13th remake every time it's on? I'm THAT obsessed with that boy's body

Actually, Jensen could do to show a lil' somethin-somethin, every now and again. He might not have the body Jared does(goddamn), but then again, who does really?

 

[RRUGER]

I've fallen so far behind on the episodes for S7 again. Trying to catch up but how has this show gotten so legit boring/stale? What is happening? Why do these episodes suck so much? This was one of the shows which never failed to keep me entertained. I'd pretty much watch almost every episode the night it aired.

Now, it's become some kind of chore. Sad really. For some strange reason, Grimm is somewhat filling the SPN void for me. Grimm, which basically is still weaksauce compared to SPN when it was at it's best.

;_; RIP SPN. They should end it now before it gets any worse.

yu are sooo right


its gotten boringggg

killing that angel, jensens boifriend was a bad idea

 

[MawellEvans]

is this real?

 

[falconfan]

And finally. I am still in awe of how the writers come up with these story lines and characters. You have to wonder if they sit in the writer's room and say "we need to call him 'Dick' because one day we'll have Sam ask Dean if he's 'still obsessed with dick...' " That's the beauty of this show. It has constantly been a nod to the SPN fans.

There's a difference between nodding and pandering and sadly SPN crossed that line a couple seasons ago where it stopped being clever and started bordering on glorified fan fiction incarnate. Fantasies are great and all but characters should act to serve THEIR purposes as independent entities not the fans and not the writers. Entire story elements need not be shoe horned in for a giggle inducing scene if they break with the continuity or characterization that a scene is meant to achieve.

I love the show as a whole and the people in it very much (including most the behind the scenes people) but CW has a habit of dragging shows out long after they SHOULD be dead and I wish they'd put SPN out of it's misery so I could see what wonderful things the writers and actors I love would do if they were given new shows and fresh material rather than running the same story into the ground for the hundredth time.

 

[falconfan]

is this real?

Nope. Rule of thumb is assume that anything that looks like that is fake because it is.