Supreme Court Petitioned to Block Mississippi Anti-LGBT Religion-Based Discrimination Law [SPLIT]

[smokeshadow]

It will be interesting to see which way the USSC swings:

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...allows_sweeping_religion_based_discrimination

 

[gsdx]

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^

The law itself allows anyone to refuse service to, or refuse to do business with, anyone the believe is LGBT, anyone they believe has had pre-marital sex or has had sex with a person of the same sex, anyone who has had or supports the right to an abortion, and anyone who disagrees that a person's gender assigned at birth cannot be altered.

So much for 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness'.

They tromp on the Constitution.
They tromp on the Declaration of Independence.
They tromp on the Gettysburg Address.

Have I missed anything?

Oh, yeah. The Statue of Liberty and Superman. So much for 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way'.

 

[Benvolio]

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^



So much for 'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness'.

They tromp on the Constitution.
They tromp on the Declaration of Independence.
They tromp on the Gettysburg Address.

Have I missed anything?

Oh, yeah. The Statue of Liberty and Superman. So much for 'Truth, Justice, and the American Way'.

The drafters of the Constitution etc would be appalled that their work is being used to justify and legalize abortion gay sex, gender change etc.
The Court will soon decide if federal law prohibiting discrimination because of sex can be expanded to include orientation. It probably depends on the vote of Kennedy, who probably will vote for expansion. If so, the state law will be in violation of the constitution as it relates to businesses. Discrimination in state action is prohibited by the constitution as it is.

 

[johaninsc]

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The drafters of the Constitution etc would be appalled that their work is being used to justify and legalize abortion gay sex, gender change etc.

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I gather that you think being gay should be criminalized like it was in the good old days

 

[Benvolio]

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I gather that you think being gay should be criminalized like it was in the good old days

You guys always claim to accept the facts, but now you think I should have a different and false understanding of history because I am gay.

 

[kallipolis]

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The drafters of the Constitution etc would be appalled that their work is being used to justify and legalize abortion gay sex, gender change etc.

They've been dead for many years therefore I doubt whether we could establish that they would be appalled. However should contact be established with Washington, and Jefferson I would be curious to know how they feel today on the matter of slave ownership.

 

[opinterph]

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The drafters of the Constitution etc would be appalled that their work is being used to justify and legalize … gay sex

Please explain exactly what you mean by that statement.

 

[gsdx]

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^ I wonder if they would have been appalled to find out that Abraham Lincoln indulged in gay sex?

Maybe Ben read the alt-right's interpretation of Session's words? And why does 'Religious Liberty' seem to apply ONLY to Christianity?

 

[Benvolio]

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Please explain exactly what you mean by that statement.

Like it or not, most of the drafters were devout Christians and Christianity regarded homosexual sex as a serious sin. Homosexual sex was, at the time of the drafting of the Constitution, illegal in all or most states and often punishable by death. Those law reflected the feelings of most people at the time, and the drafters would be surprised to find that the Constitution was being interpreted to make that sex legal contrary to the law. Search as you will, I doubt if you can find a single statement of a drafter or any other politician at the time advocating a change in the criminal law or a provision or interpretation of the Constitution favoring gay sex.
I am not saying the Constitution should be applied that way today.

 

[Benvolio]

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^ I wonder if they would have been appalled to find out that Abraham Lincoln indulged in gay sex?

Maybe Ben read the alt-right's interpretation of Session's words? And why does 'Religious Liberty' seem to apply ONLY to Christianity?

I do not agree that there is evidence that Lincoln engaged in gay sex. I have read the book.

 

[Julian89]

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The drafters of the Constitution etc would be appalled that their work is being used to justify and legalize abortion gay sex, gender change etc.

If what you're claiming is true, would you feel the same way?

 

[Benvolio]

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If what you're claiming is true, would you feel the same way?

No of course not. The 14th Amendment requires equal protection of the law by states, as the 5th does by the federal. Nothing in the Constitution justifies the limitation of laws against abortion.

 

[ballcaphair]

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They've been dead for many years therefore I doubt whether we could establish that they would be appalled. However should contact be established with Washington, and Jefferson I would be curious to know how they feel today on the matter of slave ownership.

Exactly. They are founders, not Gods.

 

[Benvolio]

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Exactly. They are founders, not Gods.

Both opposed slavery in principal, but were unsure wahat to do. Washington considered plans to free his slaves for years, and did free them by will, delaying the effect until his wife died.

 

[opinterph]

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most of the drafters were devout
at the time of the drafting of the Constitution
reflected the feelings of most people at the time
the drafters would be surprised

If it has no relevance to contemporary society, then why bother speculating with the hypotheticals? People who lived hundreds of years ago would probably be surprised about a lot of changes to our world.

 

[gsdx]

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Like it or not, most of the drafters were devout Christians and Christianity regarded homosexual sex as a serious sin.

That's interesting indeed. Homosexuality as a behaviour has been around forever, and it even exists in the animal kingdom. However, it wasn't given a name until the mid-1800s. Unfortunately, when Freud invented psychoanalysis, he labelled homosexuality as a 'deviant behaviour'. But that label was removed a very, very long time ago, and any psychologist who uses it now is certainly not accepted in the psychological community.

Homosexuality wasn't a 'sin' back in the days of the founding fathers.

 

[Kulindahr]

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They've been dead for many years therefore I doubt whether we could establish that they would be appalled. However should contact be established with Washington, and Jefferson I would be curious to know how they feel today on the matter of slave ownership.

Exactly. They are founders, not Gods.

Both opposed slavery in principal, but were unsure wahat to do. Washington considered plans to free his slaves for years, and did free them by will, delaying the effect until his wife died.

Jefferson had no way to free most of his slaves, regardless of his desire to do so: they had come with property with the provision that they had to remain on the property or it reverted to someone else. As for those he could have, he didn't want to just throw them out but wanted to be able to give them a starting stake.

 

[Benvolio]

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That's interesting indeed. Homosexuality as a behaviour has been around forever, and it even exists in the animal kingdom. However, it wasn't given a name until the mid-1800s. Unfortunately, when Freud invented psychoanalysis, he labelled homosexuality as a 'deviant behaviour'. But that label was removed a very, very long time ago, and any psychologist who uses it now is certainly not accepted in the psychological community.

Homosexuality wasn't a 'sin' back in the days of the founding fathers.

Not the word but the act.

 

[Benvolio]

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Stricking down the law permitting discrimination would not make it illegal in the absense of a law prohibiting it. In the absence of a law prohibiting it, discrimination is not illegal. The may change for businesses if the Supreme Court broadens the federal act prohibiting discrimination by businesses on the basis of sex, to include sexual orientation and gender preference.

 

[gsdx]

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Not the word but the act.

I was talking about the act. The act has always been there. The word for it isn't even as old as Canada.