Survivor 20: Heroes Vs. Villains [Official Thread]

[falconfan]

I am so done with all of this. Parv or Sandra need to win and get this all over with and Parv will win if she makes it to jury. Jerry's comment about Danielle doing whatever she wants is telling.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Poor J.T., what a dumbass.

And that's just the thing: he's NOT a dumbass. JT was a shrew player on his season, right till the end, and he didn't even want to give Taj back her own idol. And yet somehow now he's making rookie assumptions and giving away his idol to Russell? Sorry, but this is just another damn thing in the LONG line of things that seem to fall into Russell's lap. I bet the producers thought Parvati would just show the idol clue to Russell; the fact that she's actually a better player than that and kept it from him was probably something they didn't foresee (and is hopefully a hint that this season can be salvaged at the end).

Parvati and Sandra are outplaying Russell in a more obvious way (to the viewers) than Natalie did last season. And that's pretty much all the hope I'm holding on to.

So sorry to see Courtney go. She has easily become my favorite person of all time on this show. Cirie is still the best player, but Courtney is wittier and more entertaining.

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

I don't know why people are not enjoying this season, I really like it so far, I thought this was another great episode. Sure they show Russell a lot, but it's nothing like Samoa, at least we get to see all the other characters.

The ending sucked I didn't want Courtney to go home but at least she is on the jury so we will still be seeing her.

And everyone saying that the producers are trying to help Russell win, I just don't see it, if anything the producers and editors seem to be making Russell look like a joke. He has two seasons in a row where he is calling himself the greatest but he loses one and will most likely lose this one.

Also for such a "mastermind" they have gone out of their way to show Russell being manipulated by both Sandra and Parvati on multiple occasions.

 

[aijalon18]

JT is a dumbass. ANd he's a sexist douche. I always suspected he was from his season from certain comments he made. But now I'm even more sure. The reason the fool believed that there was this evil, man-hater girl alliance is because that's what he wanted to believe. I think he just couldnt take that the girls were outlasting the guys. But seriously who in the hell gives their idol away? There's no excuse for that. He doesnt know Russell from a can of paint. He doesnt have a clue what is going on in their tribe. I'm done with this season

 

[Adrock-JD]

Survivor 20: [STRIKE]Heroes[/STRIKE] Short Bus vs. Villains

So, they think they're gettin all stratigicul n' shit?

 

[slipintothefog]

The production interfering with the show has made it lost its reality-feel. I'll read Wikipedia for episode information, but I'm not going to be watching anymore.

Big Brother needs to hurry up!

Big Brother is just as rigged as Survivor... if not moreso. Ever since Maggot won BB6, the Grodhog is all about production intervention to make sure the fan favorite (or his or her closest ally) wins, as seen with Dick, Dan and Jordan all being winners. Not that I was complaining about Dan and Jordan winning considering their opposing alliances.

As for Survivor, I still think the laughs are all at Russell's expense. The editing would not have highlighted Parv and Sandra playing him so easily if that weren't the case.

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I really don't think that J.T.'s assumption of an all-women's alliance is "sexist." There were five women and one man left on the Villains tribe. If that happens in any other season of Survivor, especially in the pre-merge when physical strength is particularly valued, there would almost certainly be an all-female alliance.

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

Big Brother is wayyyyy more blatantly rigged than Survivor, I'm not convinced Survivor is rigged, all the "evidence" that has been brought up is purely speculative. Whereas on Big Brother the rigging is pretty much in your face, they don't even try to hide it.

 

[joesman]

I don't know why people are not enjoying this season, I really like it so far, I thought this was another great episode. Sure they show Russell a lot, but it's nothing like Samoa, at least we get to see all the other characters.

The ending sucked I didn't want Courtney to go home but at least she is on the jury so we will still be seeing her.

And everyone saying that the producers are trying to help Russell win, I just don't see it, if anything the producers and editors seem to be making Russell look like a joke. He has two seasons in a row where he is calling himself the greatest but he loses one and will most likely lose this one.

Also for such a "mastermind" they have gone out of their way to show Russell being manipulated by both Sandra and Parvati on multiple occasions.

You don't see that Russell finding every immunity idol on Samoa suspicious, and now doing the same thing on this travesty of a show as suspicious? And now the Heroes have given him their idol and that doesn't come off as a blatant attempt by the producers to make him look like he is some kind of Survivor wonder troll? Brother, this is bullshit at the highest level.

Remember Russell filmed this show before he lost on Samoa so he probably thought he was sure to win Samoa just likes he thinks he will win this.

I cannot believe a show that I have enjoyed for so long has sunk to this ugly and ridiculous low.


As far a BB goes, yes I agree there is manipulation on that show and it shows like a black eye. Evil Dick's season was the killer and teller and Jeff and Jordan was another manipulated one. There is even an instance where one of the players on BB said that the DR was trying to get them to change their minds about their vote.

But this is Survivor and it is supposed to be above that or at least I thought so. How can you outwit, outplay, out maneuver when someone has all the advantages? SUCKS!!!!!

 

[slipintothefog]

I checked Wikipedia to see what each tribe had won in reward challenges so far and the Heroes had won luxury items while the Villains won tools in previous challenges. So that might explain J.T.'s phantom notebook and it definitely explains Parvati's shovel.

Why you keep defending this laughable 'reality' show, I'll never know...

I don't really care if Survivor is "real." At best it's an unscripted game show that rewards social relationships and strategy. At worst it's a scripted show just like any other scripted show. It's not that deep. I just find it entertaining.

And BB is definitely as rigged as Survivor, if not more. People go into the Diary Room planning to do one thing and walk out of it with completely different ideas all the time. Survivor also never had a player who had to perform the will of the public the way that Eric in BB8 did. Do I really care which one is more rigged or if either of them are rigged at all? Not really. I watch them because they entertain me.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Big Brother is just as rigged as Survivor... if not moreso. Ever since Maggot won BB6, the Grodhog is all about production intervention to make sure the fan favorite (or his or her closest ally) wins, as seen with Dick, Dan and Jordan all being winners. Not that I was complaining about Dan and Jordan winning considering their opposing alliances.

This is true. I love BB, but they totally try to influence the players in the DR. The difference though is what blacksyringe mentioned: players acting completely out of character, and without any reason or motivation. On BB, they plant seeds in players' heads, on Survivor (which has always seemed like a cleaner game until the Russell Show last year) we're supposed to believe this guy found half a dozen idols on his own without a clue, had one of the shrewdest players in the past two years just GIVE HIM an idol, convinced a member of the opposing alliance to change his vote in a way that made absolutely no sense thereby ejecting that person, and convinced another member of the opposing alliance to jump ship without any real reason or motivation, placing herself and her #1 ally in the exact same position they were in their original alliance -- on the outside of a three-person alliance -- only now they're included with a girl they tried to vote out before (Parvati) who has been their nemesis since day one. And so on and so forth.

The only time BB seemed this much rigged was when no one would nominate the Donatos for eviction week after week. Otherwise, it's strongly influenced yes, but not in an obscene way like last season or this season of Survivor seem to be.

I really don't think that J.T.'s assumption of an all-women's alliance is "sexist." There were five women and one man left on the Villains tribe. If that happens in any other season of Survivor, especially in the pre-merge when physical strength is particularly valued, there would almost certainly be an all-female alliance.

From what I remember from last season, I think it's possible JT is sexist, but you're right that merely deducing that the Villians have an all-women's alliance does not prove that. Especially when Parvati is there and that was the gameplay she executed on Micronesia.

 

[aijalon18]

Definitely on the Big Brother is totally rigged train.

But I think JT is given way too much credit. I dont think he is one of the shrewdest players of anything. I thought Stephen did much of the critical strategy in that game. and then did a horrible job in defending himself in the end b/c of his and all the other guys mancrush on the manliness that is JT. I still think he;s a sexist moron. I can see him suspecting it. But to give his idol to another tribe? No way

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I just hope Russell gets beaten in this game by a woman he underestimated...AGAIN. Sandra is my first choice, then Parvati.

 

[Spiff]

JT and the Heroes are overthinking (or overstrategizing). So much that it is effecting their rational thinking. They certainly are not behaving as experienced Survivor players. To take everything at face value, and to believe everything that an opposing team's player says is just so unbelievably naive. At least Amanda was hesitant to drink the Kool-Aid, there is still hope for her. The rest. . . they just need a lobotomy.

 

[aijalon18]

Amanda isnt dumb but she has no balls. And cant stand up for herself her get people to listen to her. Her background strategy has failed her over and over but she still keeps it up.

 

[Ekim23]

OMFG !!!!


That was the dumbest move I've ever seen in this show ...
The letter was ridiculous (btw seems like he got the pen and the paper from Amanda's luxury items won in past challenges)

Anyway, I knew since day 1 when they voted off sugar that this tribe was really dumb, but up to this point ??? this is ridiculous.

if Sugar, Stephenie, tom or even James would have been on the tribe I'm a 100% sure they would have keep it.


And the thing I dont understand is that after the merge it would be 5 vs 5, so the heroes just have to know who's going to go home and play the idol and then go to the F5...

Now, Parv & Russ have the idols... pschhh

Go SANDRA !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[slipintothefog]

How was Sugar going first a mistake? She was the safest person to vote out without causing waves, which is the best thing to do for the first elimination. There was a 4-3-2 split on the Heroes with everybody being aligned except for Sugar, and she was likely the weakest member of the tribe in challenges. The very same situation happened for the Villains, including the 4-3-2 alliance split that went after the odd man out and the weakest challenge competitor, which is why Randy was their first boot.

 

[Ekim23]

Well Im saying it's a mistake only juding by the fact that if you take sugar with you to the F2... You win the million dollar.

She annoys everybody and cannot performs in challenge she's the only one you want to be up against in the end IMO

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Well Im saying it's a mistake only juding by the fact that if you take sugar with you to the F2... You win the million dollar.

She annoys everybody and cannot performs in challenge she's the only one you want to be up against in the end IMO

Um...Amanda? You know, the girl who's gotten to the end TWICE and seemed like a lock to win TWICE, and still managed to fuck it up at TC, and got less votes than even someone like Courtney? Hell if I got on Survivor tomorrow and they told me I could only bring one item from home with me, I'd make it Amanda.

 

[Ekim23]

Um...Amanda? You know, the girl who's gotten to the end TWICE and seemed like a lock to win TWICE, and still managed to fuck it up at TC, and got less votes than even someone like Courtney? Hell if I got on Survivor tomorrow and they told me I could only bring one item from home with me, I'd make it Amanda.

True But i'll stick with sugar for my part LOOL

 

[slipintothefog]

I'm not sure Sugar is as big of a goat as she thought. She clearly stopped caring at the end of Gabon because the Onions were never going to vote for her, but if it was a final two (which meant Marcus wouldn't make the jury at all) and she actually pleaded her case against Bob, I could see her squeezing out a victory with votes from Massive Crystal, Ken, Susie and Matty. Especially when Bob's opening statement was one as bad as "I did not outwit, outplay or outlast any of you."

Besides, thinking Sugar = goat and wanting to bring her to the end is fine, but that's Day 39 and the Heroes were on Day 3. In the eyes of the macho men like James and Rupert, it's better to cut their losses and eliminate the annoying chick who was a challenge liability. In Cirie's case, she was right that eliminating Sugar was a bad choice for her because Sugar was a "buffer" (in Cirie's own words), but she didn't have the numbers to target somebody else. Despite what the show told us, the dynamics of the Heroes tribe were revealed on insider clips as Amanda/JT/James/Rupert, Colby/Steph/Tom, Cirie/Candice with Sugar aligned with nobody.

I would be interested in seeing how Amanda would perform in Final Tribal for a third time. She left for Micronesia before the votes for China were revealed, and the spoilers heavily indicated that Amanda had won China, so she really didn't have any reason to change the doe-eyed "Boohoo, I'm so sorry I voted you out *tears*" crap in Micronesia. I think if she got to the end again, she would own her strategy for once. But whether or not that would be enough to win the vote remains to be seen.