Survivor 21: Nicaragua

[joesman]

Anyone who saw the last show with the review of the last 9 and saw the preview then you know that something hot and heavy is coming in the next show involving NAY and Kelly.

 

[slipintothefog]

There's somebody named Kelly on this show? I thought they voted her off already because having one leg made her too much of a jury threat.

 

[joesman]

There's somebody named Kelly on this show? I thought they voted her off already because having one leg made her too much of a jury threat.

They did vote her off but her leg stayed and it is time to deal with the leg.

 

[Aratron]

Jeff is such a bitch

 

[Spiff]

The quitters get to sit on the jury? What kind of crap is that? I suppose they also get pampered at Ponderosa? And get the runner ups prize money?

If I was producer of the show, I would stipulate in their contracts that quitting in good health will make you forfeit all the Survivor fringe benefits and cannot sit on the jury, no Ponderosa, and will be flown home immediately at your own expense. As a kicker, you also would not be invited to the live reunion show. Like Jeff, I consider it a huge deal to quit a show that thousands of others tried so hard to get on, especially when the reason for quitting is simply "I'm a pussy".

 

[slipintothefog]

After all this time and after so many people have quit on Survivor, I still don't know why viewers have such OUTRAGE at people who quit reality shows. Chances are that they AREN'T getting reward money for quitting as per the contracts.

I also really love the people on Sucks who are acting like Purple Kelly is some terrible human being because she quit. Granted in Na'onka's case we saw that she really was a nasty person, but Kelly was just some skinny chick who wasn't mentally strong enough to tough it out. Yeah it sucks for Brenda, Marty and Alina but it doesn't really affect any of us at home, so... what's the big deal?

Oh and lol at the notion that quitters take the spots of people who apply. Survivor has more casting recruits than applicants these days easily. Somebody like Purple Kelly who is in WAY over her head out there is obviously somebody who was recruited by the casting department and didn't actually apply.

 

[Aisle72]

Jeff is such a bitch

Jeff only says what is right and know from what he hears.

He is a host that gave them a few extra hours to think over the quitting the show. That is not a bitch or gripe. He was keeping it real and they chose to quit despite the verbal cries from the tribe.

How is Jeff such a bitch?
Get the facts straight or you look like the bitch, bitching about a situational opinion for making the bitches quit the show as they bitch their way out of looking like bitches in front of viewers.

 

[aijalon18]

^Are you serious? Jeff is a fuckin pickledick bitch! He was only doing what he could to get them to stay b/c it fucked with the plans for the show. He doesntt give 2 shits about integrity b/c he has NONE. He constantly fucks with people's game plans by running his mouth and tries to get his favorites, usually alpha males, to win.

 

[Sgt Pepper]

I agree with slipintothefog and aijalon. Jeff takes this shit WAY too seriously and needs to get a life. This is a TV game, there's no honor, integrity or spiritual journey involved. Naonka and Kelly quitting doesn't affect anyone at home, wouldn't have changed anything for the three people on the jury, and all it does is put the 7 people still in the game that much closer to winning (which is why I'm always surprised when people like Holly don't see the personal benefit in having other people walk out...except that it's Holly and she's batshit crazy).

And why the hell was Alina crying?

 

[Sgt Pepper]

Also this season is so blah to me, mostly because I don't care about any of these people. Can we just go ahead and crown the person I predicted was going to win on day one already? (I think, right...?)

 

[HunterM]

I agree with slipintothefog and aijalon. Jeff takes this shit WAY too seriously and needs to get a life. This is a TV game, there's no honor, integrity or spiritual journey involved. Naonka and Kelly quitting doesn't affect anyone at home, wouldn't have changed anything for the three people on the jury, and all it does is put the 7 people still in the game that much closer to winning ?

Exactly! A year later, who will remember these contestants...winner, losers or quitters. If I were in tribal council sitting next to Benry, I would be grinning the whole time thinking "YAY! Please please please please go home."

(which is why I'm always surprised when people like Holly don't see the personal benefit in having other people walk out...except that it's Holly and she's batshit crazy).

Malnutrition will drive anyone insane

And why the hell was Alina crying?

Yeah...WTF??? as if she had a chance to stay in the game for this long. Unlike Holly, you know Alina had been eating well. So can't use malnutrition as an excuse to explain her drama.

 

[slipintothefog]

Alina (who was probably drunk considering that's all she really does in the Ponderosa videos) bawling her eyes out juxtaposed to Brenda and Marty laughing, glaring, rolling their eyes and looking angry/shocked was one of the funniest things about the episode to me.

Along with "smuffed."

Also, I get why Holly tried to talk them out of quitting. I don't doubt for a second that people on Survivor bond with the other players as people after spending an entire month with them, and thus I find it reasonable that Holly as the mom figure would want the girls to give it their all, see things through to the end and not throw in the towel. And from a gameplay standpoint, neither Na nor Kelly were threats to Holly as far as winning is concerned anyway. Just looking at her edit so far and her relationships with the people on the jury, she could probably beat most of the people left in the end.

 

[TaggedGalaxy]

If anyone has a right to be upset with the quits it should be Brenda. Her good friend and ally in the game (Na Onka) tuned against her and voted her out only to quit at the next tribal council. She could have decided to quit at the tribal that Brenda was voted off and spare her friend who actually wanted to be there and win.

 

[Aratron]

Jeff only says what is right and know from what he hears.

He is a host that gave them a few extra hours to think over the quitting the show. That is not a bitch or gripe. He was keeping it real and they chose to quit despite the verbal cries from the tribe.

How is Jeff such a bitch?
Get the facts straight or you look like the bitch, bitching about a situational opinion for making the bitches quit the show as they bitch their way out of looking like bitches in front of viewers.

Go watch Survivor Palau and then tell me the differences between his treatment to Janu and his treatment to Kelly and Naonka

 

[joesman]

You didn't know that Nay was a selfish bitch, hardcore bitch at that. How ridiculous and pompous was that turd sitting at tribal saying she could win if she stayed. She hasn't had a chance to win since she took Jud's stuff and then tried to act like it was her right. On top of being a bitch she seems like gutter trash to me. All mouth and selfishness and thievery, and no guts. At least Kell looked like she was drained of her last fluid ounce of blood.

Funny that Sash didn't try at all to talk Kell and Nay out of leaving since they were his last hope of an alliance. I suppose he knew he couldn't trust them anyway.

Holly was a good Mom in talking to Nay and trying to get her to stay and play through. I'd be more like benry and Jud and say good riddance to bad trash.

The dynamics of that storm was just awesome, with everything washing away. I remember the deluge we had in NYC in the early 90s when the East River over flowed into the streets of lower Manhattan and caught drivers unaware, trapping some in their cars. There were actually row boats up and down the streets nearest the water and was something to see.

I don't see Jeff having a favorite this season of Survivor. There were some he didn't care for initially but warmed too as they showed their tenacity. Holly being one and Jane being another. I think he really wanted Jimmy Johnson to have stayed in the game.
I don't see him playing a favorite here other than the comment he made about Benry doing the customary back flip for a loss. I still see that he influences the game to a degree by his drilling, but Tribals have been longer this year, I believe. Initially tribal and reward challenges were linked. I did like that he came down on Nay for not giving up the reward challenge since she was leaving anyway.

 

[aijalon18]

After weeks of waiting for Benry to speak up, I regret it now. For some reason I thought his personality would be different. Lately he's come across like an obnoxious, cocky straight douchebag like Shannon.

I know everyone hates Chase b/c he had some supposed crush on "evil" Brenda but he seems like a decent and lovely guy. I still want him to win.

On another note, does anyone think a winter Big Brother next month would be kinda dope? I know it's not happening but I didnt hate the other one like other people seem to, and the last one was such a dud.

 

[slipintothefog]

I figured that Benry was getting ignored in the beginning because he was just some boring nice guy but, yeah, I agree that he's pretty douchey now that he's actually a factor on the show. It all started back when he called Alina a "dirt squirrel" on national TV, IMO.

People actually hate Chase? I mean, I don't like him as a player, but it's pretty obvious that he's a nice guy.

 

[Kensei]

After weeks of waiting for Benry to speak up, I regret it now. For some reason I thought his personality would be different. Lately he's come across like an obnoxious, cocky straight douchebag like Shannon.

I know everyone hates Chase b/c he had some supposed crush on "evil" Brenda but he seems like a decent and lovely guy. I still want him to win.

On another note, does anyone think a winter Big Brother next month would be kinda dope? I know it's not happening but I didnt hate the other one like other people seem to, and the last one was such a dud.

As I had said before, 9 was my favourite! It had 1 person I hated fall week after week (Chelsia, Josh, James, Natalie) and one of my top 3 players of all time, Sheila.

 

[joesman]

Jeff's blog after the quitters--

'Survivor' Central
Dec 2 2010 07:00 AM ET



Jeff Probst blogs 'Survivor: Nicaragua': Episode 12
by Jeff Probst
Categories: Reality TV, Survivor, Television, Things That Are Awesome!

survivorImage Credit: Monty Brinton/CBSOkay, I’m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that there is a bit of an implied contract when you agree to be on Survivor.

On our side, we promise you the adventure of your lifetime. Something you have never experienced before and will probably never experience again. It’s a multi-million dollar, life-changing thrill ride that will test you on every level. We promise, and we always deliver. Always.

In exchange we expect only two things from you: Show up… and play. That’s it. When you fail to do one or both of those requirements you are not living up to your end of the bargain. One might say you are in breach of our implied contract.

That’s my new philosophy regarding quitters on Survivor. You’re breaking your contract. There are certainly exceptions to the rule, such as medical evacuations and family emergencies, but I’m talking about the contestants who just decide they don’t want to play anymore. In this case, Naonka and Purple Kelly.

You’d think that by the time you have gone through the long arduous process of casting, meeting the executives at CBS, suffering through your immunization shots, getting your passport, arranging to leave your life for 39 days, getting on a plane, meeting with the press, and then lasting 28 days to give yourself a 1-in-9 shot at winning a million dollars, that this would be a no-brainer. Of course you’re going to finish; quitting would be foolish, right?

I’m not going to rehash the events of the quit, that’s just a waste of time and space.

I will however mention that when Naonka had the chance to walk away from the reward in exchange for tarp and rice, I truly believed she would do it. I was initially shocked when she didn’t move. Shocked. Naonka had just told everybody she wanted to quit. She knew she would be eating real food and sleeping in a real bed within hours, and all she had to do was stand up and say “It’s the least I can do before I quit.” She would have redeemed herself just a little bit.

But upon reflection I can clearly see that my expectation was flawed. Naonka has been consistently selfish for 28 days, and for her to stand up and suddenly do the “right thing” would not be consistent. Naonka went out the same way she came in, “Looking out for numero uno.”

In addition to not being a lawyer, I’m also not a psychologist, but it never seems to stop me from offering up an opinion. So here’s my take on whether they will regret this later in life:

I don’t think Naonka is going to regret her actions for one moment. I think Naonka has a lot of maturing to do and it doesn’t appear to be coming anytime soon. Quitting Survivor doesn’t make Naonka a bad person in my eyes, it was just disappointing. I’ll be curious to find out the reaction from Naonka’s family at the reunion show.

In the case of Purple Kelly, I think she will learn a lot from this experience and will at some point regret not sticking it out for 11 more days.

When you quit, when you give up and walk away from a task, even though you know you have some gas left in the tank, you are in a sense giving up on yourself. Purple Kelly had a lot of gas left in her tank. She’s a very strong and resilient young woman. Naonka gave her permission to quit and she took it and ran. I have a feeling the next time Purple Kelly is in the same situation she will think a long time before quitting.

JURY
I know a lot of you are angry right now because Naonka and Purple Kelly are allowed to be on the jury, so let me explain.

The reason they will both be members of the jury is because a precedent had already been set back when Janu quit in Survivor: Palau. Janu quit the game but was allowed to be on the jury, so we used the same reasoning with Naonka and Purple Kelly. It wasn’t an emotional decision, just an issue of fairness.

And yes…Marty, Alina and Brenda were very upset when they found out these quitters would still get to have a vote to decide who wins the million dollars.

IMPACT
Naonka and Purple Kelly quitting just blew this game wide open. It’s like we’re starting over. Their quit benefits some and penalizes others. The person who lost the most was Sash. He not only lost Purple Kelly, who would have voted any way he wanted her to, he also lost Naonka and her idol. He could have taken those two to the end with him and probably been a shoo-in for the million dollars. Instead he now must scramble to make something happen, and other than Dan, everybody else is a threat to win the game.

From a show point of view it’s an awesome turn of events. It changed everything and makes for an exciting and unpredictable finish.

Everybody left in the game has a legitimate shot to win.

Everybody except Dan. Dan’s best hope was to go to the final with Naonka and Purple Kelly. Now that they’re gone, I cannot think of a scenario in which Dan could beat anybody to win. This makes Dan a great person to take to the end. The dilemma is going to be who else do you take to the final?

I am not picking on Dan, I actually enjoy Dan quite a bit, and I could be wrong and Dan could win. If he does win, stay glued to your television because there is a very good chance that at the live show, as I read the last “Dan” vote, I will become light-headed and pass out on the CBS stage. Fortunately, Dancing With The Stars tapes nearby, so Tom Bergeron could run over and handle the rest of the reunion show.

Okay, so we are down to seven: Jane, Benry, Fabio, Holly, Sash, Chase, and Dan. There is going to be a lot of scrambling happening from here until the end. Here is my assessment of what each player needs to do:

Chase needs to form an alliance and stick with it.

Fabio, Benry and Jane need to start winning immunity or they are in danger.

Holly needs to keep mothering and nurturing and keep the attention on others.

Sash has the most work to do since his rug has been pulled out from under him.

Dan doesn’t need to do anything; it’s been working for 28 days. Why change?

It looks like we might have an exciting finish….

See ya next week.

UPDATE (Dec. 2, 12:00pm):
In response to so many comments about last night’s episode I wanted to add a follow up on the topic of quitters being allowed to be on the jury. When Janu quit and was allowed to stay on as a member of the jury, the precedent set was one that says “if we are in the jury phase of the game and you quit, you will still be a member of the jury.” Here is why the Janu precedent is important….

If you take it one step further, you realize that the decision has major ramifications because whoever Janu was in an alliance with, may still benefit from her vote at the end of the game. It could be a million dollar vote… from a quitter. Not the greatest situation but that’s the precedent that was set.

So, we did not believe it would be fair, based on precedent, to suddenly change the rules and say to Naonka and Purple Kelly, “you cannot be on the jury.” Because that could unfairly penalize someone in their alliance. If that person made it to the final and Naonka and Purple Kelly were not on the jury that could make a case that it was “unfair”… based on the precedent set with Janu.

We always strive to be fair. When you remove the emotion of the situation it’s easy that this was the “fair” thing to do. It wasn’t a popular decision on location and we understand that as fans you really don’t like it at all, but it was the fair decision.Will we look to make changes in the rules from this point forward…? Consider that a big YES. Thank you for your input, we listen to your feedback and in this case we agree with you.

I’m sure we’ll deal with this at the live reunion show on Dec. 19th as well.

 

[altlover85]

I don't care what anyone says. I like Brenda. She's a bad bitch.

She knew she had no shot. There's no point in begging these assholes for anything. Nothing would have worked with those dried up haters.

I agree.

After all this time and after so many people have quit on Survivor, I still don't know why viewers have such OUTRAGE at people who quit reality shows. Chances are that they AREN'T getting reward money for quitting as per the contracts.

I'm more annoyed that they get to be on the jury.

If anyone has a right to be upset with the quits it should be Brenda. Her good friend and ally in the game (Na Onka) tuned against her and voted her out only to quit at the next tribal council. She could have decided to quit at the tribal that Brenda was voted off and spare her friend who actually wanted to be there and win.

I agree. It sucks.

After weeks of waiting for Benry to speak up, I regret it now. For some reason I thought his personality would be different. Lately he's come across like an obnoxious, cocky straight douchebag like Shannon.

I know everyone hates Chase b/c he had some supposed crush on "evil" Brenda but he seems like a decent and lovely guy. I still want him to win.

On another note, does anyone think a winter Big Brother next month would be kinda dope? I know it's not happening but I didnt hate the other one like other people seem to, and the last one was such a dud.

I dislike Chase because I think he's an idiot and he has no real strategy.

I'd love another winter BB. Last season was easily one of my least favorites ever.